Define strict Christianity. West Rome fell and it was hardly whatever your definition of pure Christianity would be, which I assume is some caricature of progressive modern American east-coast Protestantism.
How do you factor in the correlation between modern secularization in Western nations and everything becoming gayer, browner, and shittier? Is that Christianity at work?
"That wasn't real Christianity, real Christianity was the Holy Roman Empire"
This sounds a lot like the classic "that wasn't real communism, China still exists therefore it's real communism"
China as gone through "modern secularization" and you do not see it getting gayer, browner, and shittier.
Only in here in historically Christian nations is that happening.
The reason why that is is because like "communism" in China became "conservative" and in general changed it into a functioning system, Christianity did the same thing in the past and became "conservative" in a way it never was to begin with.
This is how Christianity became a "conservative" ideology when it didn't start out as such, so the new shitlibbery that pops up will naturally go against Christianity and try to destroy it much like how the first Christians tried to destroy the Paganism in the Roman Empire when the Pagans were the conservatives of their time.
This is the same reason why Chinese conservatives are often communist boomers.
And they have nothing nice to say about western shitlibs, we all know about how they refer to them as Baizuos and make fun of them a lot.
They may be communist in name but far from being gay, brown and shitty in general.
These Chinese Communists are arguably even more "conservative" than even many Western Christians nowadays.
And if there were a shitlib movement starting in China in masse, they would associate Communism with "conservatism" and want to destroy it.
Meanwhile the Chinese Conservatives would want to try to "conserve" the "traditional Marxist values" that kept China great for all these years.
And there would be people in the future in China like you lamenting "The fall of Communism" that "kept China great" and would say that China becoming gayer, browner and shittier is "proof" that abandoning Communism is what creates disasters, not adopting it and asking if it the fall of China was Communism at work.
Define strict Christianity
I would something like giving up your food and money to the poor, not having nation states because "we are all fallen brothers in Christ" and letting criminals run free because they let Christ in their heart.
West Rome fell and it was hardly whatever your definition of pure Christianity would be
It fell because it was precisely the definition of pure Christianity, same way how the Soviet Union fell because it was precisely the definition of pure Communism
progressive modern American east-coast Protestantism.
Correct, basically like the biggest and most popular sect of Christianity.
What's wokism in this particular argument?
Belief in complete blank slatism.
Like there being no biological differences in sexes or demographics.
China is infamous for surviving in spite of and in large part by ditching Communism, as many an online tankie has lamented
Dunno, from what we see, lots of Tankies like Hasan love and worship China and use it as an example for why socialism "works"
said online tankies like to denounce as 'state capitalism' in order to not die.
No, they often praise them and use them as examples of how "communism works" and often state that other communist states that fell were "not real communism"
This was absolutely not the case for the Byzantines, to whom Christianity remained a key pillar of their society & thought from start to bitter finish. Nobody, not even the Latin Catholics post-Great Schism, ever seriously argued that they weren't actual Christians.
this assumption that the people of old didn't actually believe in their religion because that kind of fervent religiosity seems so alien to the modern mindset & the society we (assuming nobody on KF is posting from, let's say, Uganda or the Vatican) live in that we can't really grasp it, and/or we project (subconsciously or consciously) our own mindset onto the people living back then.
I have never said that the Christians of those era didn't believe in Christianity, I said that they simply rejected the bad parts of Christianity and reformed it to a functional working system to create functional working society.
Do you really think every Communist in China doesn't genuinely believe in Communism or some aspects of it. Like you, they simply believe that they are the "good communists" meanwhile the true communists that led to the destructions of nations are the "bad communists"
Believing in something doesn't make you some special authority in said thing nor does it mean that you adhere to it strictly.
You can be a believer in "socialism" but the version that isn't really socialist and actually works and apply it to real life and not have it collapse nations.
There's also no reason to assume that most medieval nobles just went around raping & killing everyone and generally living like Game of Thrones characters, they generally at least tried to live by the virtues of the Christian church (which incidentally proved quite conducive to having a functioning society).
If the Christian Church truly adhered to Christian values, they would be letting rapists and killers go free as long as "they accepted Christ in their hearts."
They didn't do that, going against Christian values and able to create functioning societies.
Christianity is that all humans are fallen, it's expected for everyone to fuck up
And you see here? This is exactly the proof and reason why Christianity at it's core was a shitlib religion.
Basically, if you murder people, you can be "forgiven" as long as you genuinely turn to Christ.
A true Christian would advocate for murderers to be released if they turned their life around and repented if they wanted the Government to work like Christian Doctrine says.
t is pretty rare to find a medieval noble who was totally content with dying in sin & not even trying to repent for any of the crazy shit they may or may not have done,
Whether Medieval Nobles believed or didn't believe in a God or Jesus existing is irrelevant, what matters is how much their societies did didn't function in accordance to Christian values.
