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People here complain about the USA turning into a third world shithole. But it is already one, just not not in the way you think.
They have a president who acts like a typical post colonial asian president. Trying to circumvent legislature, doing insider trading and corruption on a level unseen before, giving government contracts to friends and neighbours, being in love with his own face and name, and being followed around by a bunch if simps who pretend he is God. If I didn't know better, you could tell me he is the president of some post soviet banana republic and I would have believed you.

I read some people here calling for a Caesar. But what you will most likely get in the current arrangement is a Niyazov.
 
The more heavily Christianized half of the Roman world, the East, was also the half that survived (and, quite often even, thrived) for another millennium.
Everyone's daily reminder that Edward Gibbon was filled with the 'tism and was a physically disgusting Proto-Redditor mocked by his peers.
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Some things just don't change. Well except for Judeo-Christian, that's a concept that's only existed for less than a century and that Christianity was often more hostile towards Jews then the Pagans were. Although often pogroms and expulsions followed after things like Christian Kings trying to get them to stop doing things like usury and coin clipping and take up honest professions like farmer. This is why I have respect for Israelis, when it came time to actually beat the earth for its energy, they didn't just Oy Vey out. I don't like their oversized political influence, but I do understand it and no one is ever going to make me cry over violent inbred retards getting their shit pushed in when they act like 7th century desert raiders.
 
This is like saying "The Russian Empire collapsed but Communist China in the East that was more Communist is the Communist state that survived and is thriving"
China is not and does not even imagine itself to be the successor (in a legal-political sense or otherwise) to the Soviet Union. Communism is also a globally discredited ideology & on the retreat everywhere it once had a foothold, most recently in Latin America. Meanwhile Christianity only ascended to ever higher heights in the centuries after the downfall of the WRE, infusing into pretty much every great endeavor undertaken by Europeans from the crusades to the construction of Gothic cathedrals and being the driving spiritual force behind every great European empire from Charlemagne's early HRE (and the Byzantines themselves, of course) up to the British Empire in one form or another.
 
Yeah, I get that the Roman Empire had those things before hand but those bad factors started increasing the more Christian the Roman Empire became.
They had a lot of bad shit happen before Christianity was a thing and they were able to survive them, they didn't survive right when Christianity took total dominance of the Roman Empire.
You're confusing correlation with causation. Christians didn't bring about the Antonine plague, nor did they kill Commodus, nor did they reduce the percentage of silver in imperial coinage, nor did they create the unstable system of the Tetrarchy, nor did they hire foreigner barbarians to protect their borders from foreign barbarians, nor they make Atilla arrive in Europe.

So much evidence points to everything but Christianity contributing. I don't know how much a primarily civic-based, elite-based religious system would do when society was falling apart at the seams.
 
China is not and does not even imagine itself to be the successor (in a legal-political sense or otherwise) to the Soviet Union. Communism is also a globally discredited ideology & on the retreat everywhere it once had a foothold, most recently in Latin America. Meanwhile Christianity only ascended to ever higher heights in the centuries after the downfall of the WRE, infusing into pretty much every great endeavor undertaken by Europeans from the crusades to the construction of Gothic cathedrals and being the driving spiritual force behind every great European empire from Charlemagne's early HRE (and the Byzantines themselves, of course) up to the British Empire in one form or another.
Neo-Pagan types understanding the history of Europe after the fall of the Western Roman Empire? I don't think they're capable of it. Although if you want an amusing aside, you can make a claim that the Western Roman Empire only ceased to exist after the last of it's splinter states, the last Welsh Kingdom, was absorbed by the English. Welsh Royalty would track the history of their bloodlines down through the Romano-Britons. If you want to make autists rage. Kind of like you can make a reasonable assertion that the ERE only ceased to exist after the last Imperial territories fell in the 1460s.
 
China is not and does not even imagine itself to be the successor (in a legal-political sense or otherwise) to the Soviet Union. Communism is also a globally discredited ideology & on the retreat everywhere it once had a foothold, most recently in Latin America. Meanwhile Christianity only ascended to ever higher heights in the centuries after the downfall of the WRE, infusing into pretty much every great endeavor undertaken by Europeans from the crusades to the construction of Gothic cathedrals and being the driving spiritual force behind every great European empire from Charlemagne's early HRE (and the Byzantines themselves, of course) up to the British Empire in one form or another.
The Soviet Union was birthed with communism, China was birthed in Communism.

This isn't about what states are successors to what, this is whether an ideology that destroys nations can be considered an ideology that destroys nations if there are nations that still draped themselves in facade of still carrying that certain ideology while having actually abandoned that ideology and reformed their society with functional laws and norms that lead to their rise.

You argue Christianity didn't collapse the Roman Empire because the Holy Roman Empire persisted for years despite being Christian in name (Which lets all be for real, you would likely still argue that even if the Byzantine Empire did not explicitly declared itself a successor to the Roman Empire).
And I am saying you could literally say the same thing for Communism because even though the Soviet Union collapsed, China is still existing therefore Communism doesn't collapse nations.

Christianity and Communism are religions/ideologies that cause nations to collapse.
Any surviving communist nations still exist because any nation that still adhered to Communism as its system of Government and way it works have died of sooner or later. Any Communist nation that still lives like Vietnam, or China still exist because of the fact that they basically abandoned Communism and reworked their laws and economy to a sort of mostly capitalist and workable system in general that allows them to continue surviving. It's not "proof" that communism doesn't destroy nations when its applied to the truest extent.

The same thing happened with the Holy Roman Empire and future European nations that call themselves "christians" but do not actually adhere to Christian values.
Like Communist china which is "Communist" in name only, they are "Christian" in name only and the only surviving ones are the ones that do not adhere to strict Christianity that leads to the collapse of nations.
 
no tangible change being made
2 years ago the status quo on iran was that their regional dominance was so powerful, capable of sinking entire US fleets, that we should just let them get whatever they want to keep them quiet. Mind you this is an entity who has it in their constitution to "export the islamic revolution" to the entire middle east and ultimately the world.

Now they're bargaining for being allowed to use their own money as compensation for their leaders being killed, their fleets being sunk, their missile bases being decimated, and being unable to break a blockade of their own waters. They went form denying they had any association with their proxies to actively trying to bargain for their survival.

This has been achieved at the loss of some aging equipment and less than a dozen servicemen. Wargames for the past 20 years predicted sunken nimitz carriers and thousands of americans dead in the opening weeks of the attack.

the assassination of the Charlie Kirk becoming the biggest joke in the country.
This is the kind of shit gives you guys away. I'm sorry but what the fuck does iran have to do with the assassination of Charlie kirk? Like at all? People were already complaining it had been forgotten about last november when mamdami won, but actually THIS is the thing that proves it didn't matter?

You just take all of your various demoralization points, digest them, and then spew diarrhea all over the thread out of your fat ass then get shocked when we tell you we don't find it appetizing.

We've become so used to losing that we think a couple politicians impotently posting some "based" tweets online is somehow the pendulum shifting and all our problems accumulated over the last century becoming undone.
You're half right. We've (assuming you're not the brownest mohommad sucker on the website which is already more leeway than you deserve) become so used to losing that people like you don't know how to process anything else. I don't know you but I know you. You doomed in 2020. You doomed in the leadup to trump's win. You doomed when he did win, you doomed over deportations not going well enough, you doomed over tariffs then you doomed when the tariffs went away, you doomed in the leadup to venezuela that it would be a 5 year grind, you doomed after it was a success that it didn't mean anything, you doomed in the leadup to iran, the start, middle, and end of it. Because how could good things be happening?

You have /pol/brain and you aren't there anymore.

We have a suit for people like you.
 
The same thing happened with the Holy Roman Empire and future European nations that call themselves "christians" but do not actually adhere to Christian values.
Like Communist china which is "Communist" in name only, they are "Christian" in name only and the only surviving ones are the ones that do not adhere to strict Christianity that leads to the collapse of nations.
Define strict Christianity. West Rome fell and it was hardly whatever your definition of pure Christianity would be, which I assume is some caricature of progressive modern American east-coast Protestantism.

How do you factor in the correlation between modern secularization in Western nations and everything becoming gayer, browner, and shittier? Is that Christianity at work?
 
Christians didn't bring about the Antonine plague, nor did they kill Commodus, nor did they reduce the percentage of silver in imperial coinage, nor did they create the unstable system of the Tetrarchy, nor did they hire foreigner barbarians to protect their borders from foreign barbarians, nor they make Atilla arrive in Europe.
"Wokism didn't bring about the Covid plague and economic downward spiral, nor did it bring the Great Depression, or the Great Recession, nor did it make the value of the US Dollar go down or make gas prices go up, nor did it make big tech corporations become bigger and lead to mass surveillance."

"So much evidence points to everything but wokism contributing. I don't know how much a primarily civic-based, elite-based college system would do when society was falling apart at the seams"
 
"Wokism didn't bring about the Covid plague and economic downward spiral, nor did it bring the Great Depression, or the Great Recession, nor did it make the value of the US Dollar go down or make gas prices go up, nor did it make big tech corporations become bigger and lead to mass surveillance."

"So much evidence points to everything but wokism contributing. I don't know how much a primarily civic-based, elite-based college system would do when society was falling apart at the seams"
What's wokism in this particular argument?
 
They’ll have to try, or all of the excess males from the one child policy are going to go apeshit over their living conditions.
The only thing that is more of a constant in China than being just a succession of brutal dictatorships, is the confucian mentality of never bothering to fight against it, because the only outcome other than death is just having another brutal dictator take over.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 
Ad hominem o algo
I mean, I'm specifically trying to insult him, his peers calling him Mr. Potato is funny, and also pointing out that Gibbon wasn't some kind of noble, unbiased source. He's a very valuable writer, which is why his work has survived, but it doesn't mean his opinions are correct. This is like how Reddit can still sometimes have very useful information, but you can't take it as gospel truth because Redditors are often vile, dysgentic, autistic mutants with very specific biases.

The thing is, educated people in the past, contemporary to Gibbon, where often capable of reading the Greco-Roman primary sources in the original language. America's founders were very well read in the Classics, and most of the Classics types didn't share Gibbon's view. Because they weren't disgusting autists.
 
Define strict Christianity. West Rome fell and it was hardly whatever your definition of pure Christianity would be, which I assume is some caricature of progressive modern American east-coast Protestantism.

How do you factor in the correlation between modern secularization in Western nations and everything becoming gayer, browner, and shittier? Is that Christianity at work?
The browns wouldn't be speaking understandable languages were it not for the tireless selfless work of Christian missionaries.
The culture would not be so accepting of people of other skin colors and nationalities, were it not for the work of the teachings of Jesus Christ. We are all brothers and sisters under God, we must sacrifice ourselves to help others in need. When I see a man in need, regardless of if he's brown and on another continent, my heart cries in pain, I can't not give entire paychecks of my money, even sell my belongings, my future and the future of my children, to help the brown man on another continent in need! I an grateful for the tireless work of Christian religious organizations that organize missionary work, help vaccinate, feed and heal the fellow man, regardless of his skin color or nationality. If the economic situation in his home country is so dire, say because of American evil imperialists waging a war of aggression on the innocent people - my brothers and sisters in Christ - I will happily take them into my own country, no matter how many of them there are! The more souls saved the better, and I'm grateful to the Christian organizations that are working to give these people the ability to travel to our country and to emigrate and become our citizens! Praise the Lord, brothers and sisters!
 
>Majorly Christian country
>Invite muslim refugees cuz Empathy™
>Country becomes a islamic shithole with little pushback
Oh g-d... Im... Im NOOOOOTICING!!!
I don't think people know just how involved in causing the Lebanese civil war the Palestinians were. There are reasons everyone in the region wants nothing to do with them and it's because they're absolutely shitheads who start shit where ever they go.
 
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