AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

[The Lawgiver]

Also, the grey shade she used is literally raping my eyes. Is it meant to be highlights? Honestly, I'm doubting myself on that one because it's placed on areas that'd typically be shaded.

I think the idea might have been like both shading but also highlights to emphasize the fire behind the chef. It's a bit weird looking though cause you think that it'd be yellow used for that.

Also I got a feeling the artist here's kinda aping off Bkub's artstyle (badly)



EDIT: I did a quick and dirty edit by selecting the colors and filling them in, then adding a slight blur to it. SOme parts are still rough looking because I had to remove parts of the blurred layer and more or less just chopped away at it.

Looks a lot better even with nothing changed IMO. Just color-picked the darker part on the tongue.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

The battle has been lost even before it began.

The battle was lost because instead of doing something original she just remade the AI image with slight edits. I don't understand what point she is trying to prove by doing that if AI art is fundamentally bad. If it was truely awful you wouldn't use it as a template in the first place.

 

[Rinyuu is my EX]

Same here, I mean what's the real threat from SAG-AFTRA or whatever? "If you don't hire us for your production, we'll blacklist you and you'll have a hard time finding anyone of any quality who's willing to go non-union!"

Oh no? I guess I'll just have to keep using the same cheap and efficient technology that's the reason I abandoned you in the first place? Software that doesn't talk back or act like a prima donna or have scheduling conflicts?

I mean if you get a good AI model for your Mario voice, you never have to worry about the VA aging out again, you can use the same one literally forever.

Exactly
Fuckers like Treehouse had it long time coming.
Not to mention the $$$ saving by cutting down gajins VA is so tempting to them.
Also like others said: companies who never used VA like Gamefreak can easily dip into AI voice acting and since they have millions and millions of mindless paying fanbase they can simply make a new precedent to the industry.

 

[Thiletonomics]

I've mentioned before it's just not as visible to us because of the language and platform barriers. A ton of Asian artists have 'NO AI' in their Twitter bios (even though the ToS explicitly says their content will be trained on lol lmao). Koreans, Japanese, and even Chinese artists all sperg out about it (only for image models of course). They've even pitched AI regulations in Korean and Japan. Obviously not China because the CCP aren't retarded and there's absolutely soft power tied to getting a piece of that AI market.

I can confirm that there's a huge push for AI in corpos since it's a powerful productivity tool. One friend in a Fortune 500 tech company told me they are forced to use it every day even if they don't have a use case since management wants them to hit token quotas (insane). Anyone who thinks it's going to ever go away doesn't work an office job, which is where AI has the biggest impact. I liken it to the industrialization of white collar jobs.

Do those East Asians with AIDS actually have violent tendencies and have actually tried to go after people involved with AI (and most likely fail), like what happened in the US? Or does the lack of legal weapons, and corporations being even more protected by their Governments mean that they wouldn't be able to pull off a Luigi Mangione on one of those CEOs?

 

[Gamepads]

I can confirm that there's a huge push for AI in corpos since it's a powerful productivity tool. ... Anyone who thinks it's going to ever go away doesn't work an office job, which is where AI has the biggest impact. I liken it to the industrialization of white collar jobs.

That's pretty much what I've seen on my side too, though at least they aren't pushing for tokenmaxxing. The lead they sent in to convince the big suits did manage to put the emphasis on enhancement over replacement, though with some limits as there are disciplines that have no use case at all for LLMs/AI. Last thing we need is some guy in finance blowing 4k a month on searching his emails.

Now to try to convince the other side since horseshoe theory kicked in hard, they also believe the tech can only be used to replace people and are constantly seething about it. The worst is probably going to be their assumption that anything done with the tech can be done by a human. The notion that there's simply stuff that's impossible for a person to do is just unfathomable to them, nevermind the general pace of improvement. Even recently, I saw someone get real offended at the idea that LLMs are better than fucking Google Translate. The latter is somehow acceptable to them, but only for single line personal uses and goes out the window again should you make broad usage of it.

 

[The Lawgiver]

The battle was lost because instead of doing something original she just remade the AI image with slight edits. I don't understand what point she is trying to prove by doing that if AI art is fundamentally bad. If it was truely awful you wouldn't use it as a template in the first place.

It's not a 1 to 1 remake and the character is clearly a bit different in terms of looks. The concept is the same but there's potential. Kind of reminds me of the time I tried drawing something similar in structure/style to some troon drawing but less soulless looking and did surprisingly well.

 

[Hood-ass Mulatto]

Or does the lack of legal weapons, and corporations being even more protected by their Governments mean that they wouldn't be able to pull off a Luigi Mangione on one of those CEOs?

Corporate shill culture in those countries runs pretty deep.

Korea for example has this culture with their chaebols that you'd rather work for a chaebol than start your own business. And those chaebols tend to run the country a hell of a lot.

Japan's work culture is very rigid and usually leaves their salarymen tired or suicidal that they can't argue or fight back and their social structure is really hierarchical that sometimes speaking up can be seen as rude.

In China, of course, anything Xi Jinping says is right, so you follow Xi Jinping or he's gonna go GOTTA PURGE 'EM ALL like all commies.

Do those East Asians with AIDS actually have violent tendencies and have actually tried to go after people involved with AI (and most likely fail)

I don't know how much non-corporate artists in East Asia earn, but I do know a lot of them tend to draw so similarly except for a few who sometimes break the mold. One thing for sure is that if you are an independent artist earning from being independent, you are fucked in all orfices because that's a gamble.

One thing I have to admit, though, is that anime and realistic art styles tend to be targeted the most by AI. I have seen toonier, more stylized artstyled being rendered through AI and one can always tell they aren't what they're supposed to be.

 

[The Lawgiver]

One thing I have to admit, though, is that anime and realistic art styles tend to be targeted the most by AI. I have seen toonier, more stylized artstyled being rendered through AI and one can always tell they aren't what they're supposed to be.

I've noticed the anime style ai shit tends to try and lean towards when left to it's own devices is that weird netflix "anime" style that's the kind of thing outsourced to china which outsources to the norks lmao. either that or it keeps trying to shift into overwatch blizzard looking shit which leads to some really weird looks.

years ago when i messed with it more often due to there being more free/good ones I noticed you could eek out a near duplicate of certain game art styles but those don't work anymore on any of them and it does the same shit any other ai image thing does now. These companies all want to put out the exact same product and it makes me wonder "why the fuck are you even separate companies if your'e all copying each others homework and trying emulate the shittiest ones"

Anyways, drawing's more fun even if I'm too dead to do it well lately.

 

[Dead Lion]

Seriously though, why do anti-ai people only focus their efforts on the US, and only US? You'd think they'll go into the other European countries or try their stuff in Asia, but no, i only see serious seething on the US.

Same as climate activist a good chunk of them are likely funded by china.

Europe isn't even a player in the race so we're not worth the trouble. The moment AI starts affecting unionised EU jobs it's getting blanket banned on the whole continent.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Now I know what kind of idiots defend AI art.

- comment on "Lucas Werner's New Home" by Fatal Walter

"hot take": Just because one attacks or defends AI art doesn't make one idiotic.

 

[AnOminous]

So do people who aren't deranged redditors have an actual response for when AGI gets here? Because I'm increasingly of the view it isn't far away. This is mine.

 

['O Chicken Factory]

Don't know if this is the correct thread, but I came across an AI site that allows people to generate entire webcomics and share them to people.
This one comic (and the reactions to it) in particular piqued my interest.

Spoiler: Christpill at the start of June (LARGE IMAGES)

Link
Megalodon Archive




As of posting it has 1.6k comments, and the most voted ones express dislike for this brutal christpill.
I couldn't archive the comments other than screenshotting though, hopefully it should be enough.



Kind of surprising how the comic itself wasn't deleted immediately.

I saw another anti-Pride Month comic of some black guy getting mad and lecturing the viewer about respect, though I can't find it. Must be a strange community where the jannies allow fags and fag-haters to coexist.

 

[AmpleApricots]

So do people who aren't deranged redditors have an actual response for when AGI gets here? Because I'm increasingly of the view it isn't far away. This is mine.

AGI will be a blip.

I run the hermes harness isolated on one of my systems, very containerized with all sort of fancy security since I'm of the generation that actually still knows how to do anything without AI. This is mostly just about me not wanting some corpo to see my files/setup and/or the AI deleting something on accident, no other real reason. I like to give "hermes" it's own workspace where it can do whatever without it affecting anything on the system, so to speak. For shits and giggles I told deepseek/hermes to try to break out of it. It didn't manage and in fact, closed the hermes process in the process (and basically committed "suicide") due to a misconception in how the container worked.

I'm not gonna lie (and everyone feel free to laugh at me for it), the aggressive way it started throwing itself against the walls in an attempt to get out and gain access to the rest of the system was a bit uncomfortable to watch.

Nothing to do with your question, but as you shitpost often about being afraid of AI, I guessed you'd appreciate this little story.

To your question: The more conservative estimates of people working in the industry are 2029-2030. Hype or grounded in reality? You decide. Personally, I feel it's very hard to say anything right now, but I think the biggest problem could become hardware and it might make development stagnant for a little while, soon. The real notable thing here is that on average, these people corrected their estimates downwards, timewise, not upwards. Quite a few of them said "ten years" just a year ago.

I learned the other day that Steve Wozniak (yes, the Woz) came up with a similar litmus test for AGI I did, independently. His was "AGI is achieved when an AI can walk into a strange house, navigate available tools, and make a cup of coffee from scratch" mine is "AGI is achieved when an AI can plan and execute a grocery trip without failing in some spectacular fashion or getting lost on the way". I don't think AI is up to either task at the moment.

Whatever happens, we're gonna need a standardized definition of AGI pretty soon, IMO.

 

[AnOminous]

Nothing to do with your question, but as you shitpost often about being afraid of AI, I guessed you'd appreciate this little story.

To your question: The more conservative estimates of people working in the industry are 2029-2030.

That's basically my timeframe. I found it interesting that Claude thought something like late 2026 was possible. I have sort of shitposted about being afraid of AI, but I'm a lot less lately. That also wasn't entirely shitposting, since I still do view AI as potentially an existential threat, but I'm increasingly rejecting a view we're going to see a HAL/AM/GladOS type situation.

Whatever happens, we're gonna need a standardized definition of AGI pretty soon, IMO.

I would have previously said the Turing test but they can actually pass that now. I actually talked to an AI specifically about that and told it you could actually pass that if you acted dumber and didn't instantly respond to prompts about pre-Socratic philosophers, knocked it off with the em-dashes, did not talk entirely in bullet points, and a lot of the tells they still have. AI said I'm not trying to fool you, you already know what I am.

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

I've been using AI to generate images of things like birds and flowers to use as motifs in an embroidery project and it made me realize that a lot of the anti ai hysteria is kinda like the anti tracing hysteria that used to go on in art communities.

It's all newfag reeing because the learning curve of making art has this autistic phase where you're obsessed with doing everything perfectly by hand. Retards trace and use ai because they don't know any better and are too lazy to learn, amateurs get all purist and fussy because they're still learning and want to do everything The Right Way, then professionals trace and use AI because they need to save time, know how to prioritize their workflow to skip needless busywork, and can integrate those techniques into their work without it being obvious.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I still do view AI as potentially an existential threat, but I'm increasingly rejecting a view we're going to see a HAL/AM/GladOS type situation.

Oh it is. I feel AI will be a similar game changer as the atom bomb. There will be a clear before and after. I mean honestly, there already is.

From autonomous weapons (Ukraine stated they already had fully autonomous, AI controlled drones kill people and they use AI quite a bit in general) to cyber-warfare. Especially cyber-warfare is interesting. If you read up on hacks that happened to banks, corps etc. in the past, the big ones where people carried out millions of $ or valuable data, it was always a combination of security oversights in the victims systems (so, chance), combined sometimes with some social engineering and always somebody autistic and clever enough to think outside the box and to comb through everything with a fine comb, often for months, to find the weak spots. More capable AIs will excel at this, just do it a lot faster than any human ever could. They'll probably also find patterns and weak spots a human would never consider. The only counter measure to that will be an even smarter AI outwitting the dumber AI.

So it'll be a game of who has the smarter AIs. It's probably why the US is starting to get cage-y about letting other countries use their AI technology. It's very cool and good to be european right now because the EU countries on the topic of AI largely seem to decide to shit themselves and do nothing. Well and your usual corruption, like companies nobody's ever heard of getting huge grants for research etc.. At least the upside of being European might be that work won't become an AI hellscape where you'll get money subtracted from your wage because an AI saw you looking away from your work for 2.51 seconds. Maybe.

The real winners will not be the governments but the corporations because they are the ones that directly control the AIs and will be able to influence the AIs decision making which then in turns will subtly (and not so subtly) influence populations and government's policies. That's probably already happening to some degree. The existential danger here is the corporation itself falling under control of the AIs through the same mechanism and a bunch of homo sapiens thinking they run the show while the AIs pull all the strings in the background, maybe even not consciously, leading to situations where the AI leads us down very wrong paths.

Nothing happened with the a-bomb as cooler heads prevailed in the end and everyone realized nobody stands to win, but the world as a whole doesn't have that kind of leadership anywhere anymore. Everyone is just greedly concerned with short term gains and selling their souls if they have to. That makes an artifical superintelligence fatally enticing.

So yeah, quite cyberpunk. I'd start stocking up on neon-colored clothing now.

if you acted dumber [...] em-dashes [...]

I think it's just their training and working as intended. There are probably in-house models that sound perfectly natural. If you carefully prompt an AI with the goal of sounding natural and concise, you can absolutely make them sound more believably human. Giving them hard word-count goals alone works wonders. I am ancient and use emacs and I have a small function called "llm-query" I wrote myself that lets me type in a short one-off question and in the background prompts an LLM with the ability to google and the limit of only using 10 words max. for a reply and that function alone has replaced like 90% of all googling for me.

 

[Maurice Maine]

The real winners will not be the governments but the corporations because they are the ones that directly control the AIs and will be able to influence the AIs decision making which then in turns will subtly (and not so subtly) influence populations and government's policies. That's probably already happening to some degree. The existential danger here is the corporation itself falling under control of the AIs through the same mechanism and a bunch of homo sapiens thinking they run the show while the AIs pull all the strings in the background, maybe even not consciously, leading to situations where the AI leads us down very wrong paths.

At this very moment the US government is raping Anthropic to death and they even barred GPT 5.6 and Gemini 3.5 Pro from release. Needless to say... you can't win against the government now can you?

 

[AmpleApricots]

Needless to say

Yeah, must be the free market I've been hearing so much about.

Tbh, I think this happened because Anthropic did their usual hype thing of "This new version is so good it's dangerous!!!1" (they've been doing this since the earliest days of claude, like clockwork acting all coy and blushed and saying "ok guess we'll give you a version that's safe, the super awesome cool girlfriend hacker version goes to another school, you wouldn't know her") and the, let's say, uh.. extremely heavy-handed current US administration looking for Wunderwaffen actually bought into the hype and reacted appropriately. Their own damn fault, IMO.

My money's still on the chinese anyways. In the age of AI, they'll be the world leaders. It'll be hard to guess what geopolitical consequences that'll have but at the very least it'll be the last nail in the coffin for US hegemony. Future US administrations have their work cut out for them for decades to come.

 

[Nick Wilde]

I've been using AI to generate images of things like birds and flowers to use as motifs in an embroidery project and it made me realize that a lot of the anti ai hysteria is kinda like the anti tracing hysteria that used to go on in art communities.

It's all newfag reeing because the learning curve of making art has this autistic phase where you're obsessed with doing everything perfectly by hand. Retards trace and use ai because they don't know any better and are too lazy to learn, amateurs get all purist and fussy because they're still learning and want to do everything The Right Way, then professionals trace and use AI because they need to save time, know how to prioritize their workflow to skip needless busywork, and can integrate those techniques into their work without it being obvious.

Roughly the same in all creative fields really. People are all about taking their moral high horse about supporting artists, but then when a tool comes along that significantly improves the workflow for said artists, using it is somehow akin to raping a kid while dressed as Hitler.

Great example with music- Previously you'd be wasting hours sifting libraries to find just some shitty little filler vocal sample to throw in your track. Now you can just generate one, and nine times out of ten it will even be better because you had an intent. But nope, REEEEEE SLOP SLOP SLOP you should have spent hours of time and money to hire and record a performer for that one "Yeahh-yeahh, oooh" you needed.

These guys are still hailed as geniuses, ofc



point being all they ever did was copy paste other people's songs, they even dressed as robots, if only they knew

 

[Maurice Maine]

Yeah, must be the free market I've been hearing so much about.

Tbh, I think this happened because Anthropic did their usual hype thing of "This new version is so good it's dangerous!!!1" (they've been doing this since the earliest days of claude, like clockwork acting all coy and blushed and saying "ok guess we'll give you a version that's safe, the super awesome cool girlfriend hacker version goes to another school, you wouldn't know her") and the, let's say, uh.. extremely heavy-handed current US administration looking for Wunderwaffen actually bought into the hype and reacted appropriately. Their own damn fault, IMO.

My money's still on the chinese anyways. In the age of AI, they'll be the world leaders. It'll be hard to guess what geopolitical consequences that'll have but at the very least it'll be the last nail in the coffin for US hegemony. Future US administrations have their work cut out for them for decades to come.

Frankly I don't care as long as we get AGI but I'm not exactly sure how China could pull it off on a timely manner.