Ask men why they do things the way they do and maybe you'll get an honest answer

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

Yeah I think that’s very different. Can’t and won’t are not the same. If someone you love has been injured you stuck with them. You still love them.

Unless they're in a position to get out of it, ie. out of debt, out of incompetency, out of sickness; to realize 'life is worth living' and going out to 'find themselves'. I'm all for respecting the life you signed up for when your partner breaks in more than one way, but I can see how tempting it is to pull the plug. That one celebrity that ditched the hoe when they had cancer, or was it a woman doing it? Either way.

I hate cleaning, but would rather clean 1000x than keep a robot in my abode.

A cleaning man is hot to women. A man offloading it to a chinese produce ain't. Sometimes the message is more important than the result.

yeah your right theres like other ways to have sex and all

Knew an honest-to-god gay faggot dick loving homo. Then he trooned out, got together with a girl and was like "Omg I can finally have sex I'm so happy I can get erect" and I go "cause bro is putting his dick in vag?", to which xe/xoim goes "Ummm... there's other ways to have sex than P in V..". Imagine having the means for Lord-respecting intercourse and choosing instead to stuff her with things that aren't your rockhard dick. Smh.

Imagine being a man and trying to find that 1% woman who wants to have sex instead of just waiting for our AI Robotic Waifus.

It's not even the eventually implied sex of AI that appeals to either gender, it's the personality. "Don't like evil women"; you mean women who have such strong conviction and opinions you can gauge them as evil? You form an opinion to anyone online these days and they pull the ick card, especially women. I've matched and spoken at great length with women who almost put out more than I did, and even then you could tell they were one word away from pulling the plug. I've blown up at friends of years before and we just move on from it. Women? Give them one bad reason to leave and they will. Friendship, romance, gaming groups, you name it.

Nah. Some women are horrible at sex. They barely participate, and in that case, I would genuinely be having more fun with my right hand; because in that case she's really nothing but a very cumbersome fleshlight anyway.

Being the receiving part in all things is absurdly empowering. A movie critic, unable to make a movie of his own, can ruin yours. A bad professor can flunk you if they so desire. A bad boss can tell you to do a thing and then fault you regardless of how you do it. Women can lay there, starfishing in bed; if you nut too quickly, she's "just that good". If you don't nut, you're broken. If you pull out and go "you're no better than a corpse", you're also on the losing end. Didn't hit on the woman? Your loss. Didn't try hard enough after messaging her 5 times over 3 weeks? You aren't man enough. Absolutely dogshit one-sided conversation where she offers nothing? Yeah well she's being that way cause YOU suck at conversing!

Women are incapable of losing and the only way to find a worthwhile one is to find one that recognizes this. They'll gladly preface themselves with being shy, awkward, "losers" and what not - until they act like any of this and you fault them for it. "Oh you really are autistic huh?".

 

[General Patton]

That one celebrity that ditched the hoe when they had cancer, or was it a woman doing it?

John Edwards famously cheated on his dying wife. I instantly thought of him.

 

[Zeftax]

Words of a person who doesn't own a robotvac.

Don't those map your house and sell that info to amazon? No, thank you!

 

[DavidS877]

Don't those map your house and sell that info to amazon? No, thank you!

Alexa, does the robovac map my house and sell that data to Amazon?

 

[74164978231]

A cleaning man is hot to women. A man offloading it to a chinese produce ain't. Sometimes the message is more important than the result

Not really. Women say they find men cleaning attractive but doing the dishes doesn't actually improve your attractiveness in their eyes.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

Don't those map your house and sell that info to amazon? No, thank you!

Don't connect it to wi-fi then?

 

[dick brain]

Words of a person who doesn't own a robotvac.

I tried one of those, back before they became IOT spyware. It constantly got stuck on the trim separating the kitchen from the dining room or fell down the stairs or got tangled up in the drawstring for the window shade.

If they gave it a little anime face and voice I'd probably find it endearing but as it was it just pissed me off. Even my laziest exes cleaned better than that thing.

Anyway one day I left the grate off the fireplace and it drove straight in so maybe it was sentient after all.

 

[The Ugly One]

A cleaning man is hot to women.

I've never gotten laid after doing the dishes. I do the dishes because they need doing. They don't end with somebody sitting on my dick.

If she’s not wanting to have sex at all, or 27 days out of the month, she is not enjoying sex AT ALL. that’s not a hormonal cycle, it’s not wanting to have sex with HIM.

In my observation, it's not a lack of "love." It's simply a larger libido gap, a difference in priorities, and inability on the part of the woman to understand that a relationship requires mutual effort. A man will drop whatever he's doing to fuck. He will ruin his career and his life to fuck. How many women have gotten fired because they couldn't wait until after the Zoom call was over to start jacking off to porn? How many female sales leads have missed a deal because they ditched a meeting to fuck? Women simply do not have this sort of libido, and the difference widens with age and the cares of life. To her, it may feel like every week, there is something a thousand times more urgent and important than spending time with her husband. Not even talking sex here, just plain having time as a couple. Then it runs away from her, and before she knows it, it's been six years since they even went out to the movies together. There was always something else. The kids NEEDED to be taken somewhere. The church group NEEEDED her. Her brother NEEDED her. Her job NEEDED her. Her friend NEEDED her. The neighborhood association NEEDED her. The dining room floor NEEDED her. Meanwhile, the man is silently cataloging all the times he has cancelled events and taken off work when his wife's ovulation cycle peaked and wondering how come she never finds it in herself to do the same.

In other words, a 23-year-old newlywed will ditch the Ladies' Guild at church solely because her husband suggested they spend the afternoon naked, but a 43-year-old women is unlikely to.

Add in that most men have experienced what a woman will do when she wants something. There's a reason it's a cliche that blowjobs stop once the knot is tied. It's also a less-spoken-about cliche that wives get far more indulgent if they suspect you're going to leave. A friend of mine is a divorce attorney, and I've heard, "he served her papers, then had the best sex of his life," so many times I can't count.

Unfortunately, that trick really only works once.

So the claim that the woman only puts out if the man is sufficiently loving has obvious exceptions. Counterexample after counterexample piles up, whether by firsthand experience or observation, and eventually, a man realizes that women really do choose this. She could make an effort to make the relationship more sexual, but she chooses not to, and therefore it isn't. A plastic Barbie named Lauren Sanchez snatched away Mackenzie Bezos's husband, and it had nothing at all to do with love. One woman decided she wanted what the other woman had, and chose to do what it took.

There's no magic here, no mystical forces of the universe, no mysteries of romance manifesting with one couple that were strangely dormant with the other. Jeff Bezos did not suddenly become a debonair, panty-destroying Don Juan when it was time to woo Bimbo Queen that he just couldn't find it in himself to be with is own wife. He's a fuckin' dork. He's a cardboard human being. He didn't figure out how to melt Lauren's heart with his tender love in a way he just couldn't or didn't with Mackenzie. One woman let him titty fuck her in his yacht's hot tub when the other wouldn't, and that was the end of that.

It's that simple.

As long as Lauren Sanchez decides that she's never too busy to wrap those fake boobs around her husband's dick, she's going to keep him. He's going nowhere. We men are simple retards. This was just a case of a work-addicted computer dork who had enough money that a woman decided it was worth taking him from a frigid wife. A lot of people assume it won't last. It lasts as long as Lauren Sanchez decides it lasts, and I have personally seen women like her make it last Until Death Do Us Part.

I mean blood is seeping out and stomach cramps. You wouldn't enjoy it in that case as well

If you bleed 27 days of the month, see a doctor.

Yes, they lose a husband they don’t love and gain one they do.

They usually stay lonely. Better than a husband who expects you to try, right?

 

[Dante Alighieri]

If you're a woman in a relationship with a man you no longer love, then end it. Vice versa.

 

[Squanto Airi]

If you're a woman in a relationship with a man you no longer love, then end it. Vice versa.

Even before the relationship for both parties, figure out whether it's infatuation and lust or a genuine love for the other.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

In other words, a 23-year-old newlywed will ditch the Ladies' Guild at church solely because her husband suggested they spend the afternoon naked, but a 43-year-old women is unlikely to.

A lot of 43-year-old long-married men also don't have the libido (or willingness, interest, or skill) to put in the kind of effort that 23-year-old newlywed men do, either.

And don't get me wrong - plenty of 43 (or 53) yo men can and want to still get it in a way that is far more than perfunctory...but so do a lot of 43 and 53 yo women. Some men can make a naked afternoon an entire naked afternoon full of joy and fun for everyone, but plenty don't understand than 10 minutes do not an afternoon make - and that is far more likely at 43 after 20 years than at any age, but also younger, with something new.

And I won't even get into the madonna-whore weirdness a lot of men seem to have, but it has destroyed marriages.

It's weird you lay everything at women's "inability to understand" that relationships require mutual effort and prioritizing a partner's wants. People in general get lazy or complacent. And your descriptions are completely one-way. Only sex - and frequency - matters in how you've framed this up, and in that mindset many men start treating sex as, and having it as, an efficient valve-release. Is it any wonder their partners run out of patience with being treated like a receptacle? That's rhetorical, because the answer is no, it is not surprising that being an inanimate, but warm, place to put something doesn't exactly get the loins stirring, and so if you do that long it enough, it's reasonable to receive less enthusiasm in return.

You've described a very transactional interaction, and bean counting of any sort has never benefited a marriage.

Unfortunately, that trick really only works once.

Why? Because then he calms down and becomes boring in bed again?

One woman let him titty fuck her in his yacht's hot tub when the other wouldn't, and that was the end of that.

There's about 8 bazillion mistresses (whether knowing they were mistresses or not) who would beg to disagree. Mostly what happens is that for all the (love and) sex she gives, he juuuuuust can't quite make the jump. And why would he? He has it all - status, stability, money with the woman of record...and passion and sex with plausible deniabikity of obligation. So he rolls from one "other woman" to the next. If all it took to grab "another woman's man" (aka, a man; the woman he is cheating on typically has nothing to do with it - that is an extremely exaggerated fantasy; it's about having fallen for someone that on every level she shouldn't have) was an enthusiastic interest in blowing his mind, there'd be a lot more happy ex-mistresses.

Meanwhile, the man is silently cataloging all the times he has cancelled events and taken off work when his wife's ovulation cycle peaked and wondering how come she never finds it in herself to do the same.

Yuck. Its gross to be thinking a woman's "ovulation cycle" is some weird on-off switch, unless you're trying to make a baby. Sure, I understand biology, but we (the vast vast majority of us) are not mechanical slaves to minor ticks up or down in hormones and processes we've lived with since age 11. This is such an autisticish way of thinking, and I don't even think that term applies to you (idk but you don't read like it; could be wrong). Maybe that's a line you've been told, but I don't know any woman who has ever lived like this or said anything like it (enter 50 people telling me that that's exactly how it is; I'd say that if you think intellectually something exists, it's pretty easy to make it into your personal reality. Or maybe a convenient thing to think or say, situation depending.).

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

A plastic Barbie named Lauren Sanchez snatched away Mackenzie Bezos's husband, and it had nothing at all to do with love. One woman decided she wanted what the other woman had, and chose to do what it took.

This is the biggest stretch you've pulled so far. Mackenzie didn't lose, she's the richest woman on earth having done fuck and all(or I guess not much of fuck going by your line of tinking). Sanchez didn't snatch Bezos. Bezos simply believed he had nowhere else to go. And there is no reason to paint Bezos as some little dweeb.
Trying to use that as an example of bed death seems stupid.

How many women have gotten fired because they couldn't wait until after the Zoom call was over to start jacking off to porn? How many female sales leads have missed a deal because they ditched a meeting to fuck?

This website is full of bad vagina decisions. Sure not as many but no less bad. The amount of teachers especially that ruin their lives over that(and I don't mean the nonces even college female professors). And I've seen plenty of horny older women. I'm pretty sure horny older women are the demographic most likely to sexually harass someone. Men cheat more than women but it's not a twice as much level of difference (20 vs 13% in the US).
And there is this thing. Can't you buck break your woman to get what you want? I mean what's stopping you? Morals? I don't think cheating is more moral than just using underhanded tactics to get your own wife in bed. People cheat because they don't want to fuck their spouse anymore not because they can't.

Mostly what happens is that for all the (love and) sex she gives, he juuuuuust can't quite make the jump. And why would he? He has it all - status, stability, money with the woman of record...and passion and sex with plausible deniabikity of obligation.

If he leaves another woman for you, what's stopping him from leaving you for another woman?
Also not every case of cheating is the wife blindingly oblivious. Many times the wife knows or knows and can't prove it or just suspects it. The man either compartmentalizes that it's just sex or he's doing it on purpose to hurt her or to prove he can hurt her.
There is also another thing about leaving one woman for another. It makes you look really fucking dumb if the 2nd woman turns much the same. The man will wonder things like if she's only this good to get the bag, that she's only this good just to prove she's better and other things like that. The in-between state is perfect for a mediocre man. Choosing the mistress takes time, effort and risk. Choosing the wife takes time, effort and risk. Choosing neither required the least amount of all three.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

@Smashed & Slamed

If he leaves another woman for you, what's stopping him from leaving you for another woman?

Sure: old phrase: how get 'em is how you'll lose'em .

Also not every case of cheating is the wife blindingly oblivious. Many times the wife knows or knows and can't prove it or just suspects it.

Oh, absolutely. I've known couples with a DADT policy. And it wasn't the wife going out. A lot of marriages are vested partnerships only. It's a choice.

The man either compartmentalizes that it's just sex or he's doing it on purpose to hurt her or to prove he can hurt her.

Or just looking for excitement. But they do fall in love (or "love"), but that isn't enough. Safety and security is a powerful force.

There is also another thing about leaving one woman for another. It makes you look really fucking dumb if the 2nd woman turns much the same. The man will wonder things like if she's only this good to get the bag, that she's only this good just to prove she's better and other things like that. The in-between state is perfect for a mediocre man. Choosing the mistress takes time, effort and risk. Choosing the wife takes time, effort and risk.

I'd disagree on this last part. Choosing the wife, regardless of feelings or whatever, is a very safe choice. And often there is love in the marriage, just not companionship or intimacy or fire. Especially if he thinks or learns he can get some on the side

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

Or just looking for excitement. But they do fall in love (or "love"), but that isn't enough. Safety and security is a powerful force.

Excitement is cheating once with a woman you wouldn't bother to remember her name. A mistress is not that.

I'd disagree on this last part. Choosing the wife, regardless of feelings or whatever, is a very safe choice. And often there is love in the marriage, just not companionship or intimacy or fire. Especially if he thinks or learns he can get some on the side

It is not a safe choice because it feels like losing if it's done without addressing the issue. It will make the man resentful even depressed. He will feel as if the life is sucked out of him by a woman that doesn't notice or worse doesn't care.
Men don't need much, but they do need something, anything really.

 

[Atlas Sneezed]

He will ruin his career and his life to fuck. How many women have gotten fired because they couldn't wait until after the Zoom call was over to start jacking off to porn

See the problem with what you're saying is that you don't remember stories like this

Meanwhile, the man is silently cataloging all the times he has cancelled events and taken off work when his wife's ovulation cycle peaked and wondering how come she never finds it in herself to do the same.

But do remember ones like this

 

[The Ugly One]

Sanchez didn't snatch Bezos. Bezos simply believed he had nowhere else to go.

He was cheating on Mackenzie with Lauren Sanchez. And it's obvious from the texts and the like we got that she was sucking him dry with those big, fake lips. She targeted him, not the other way around. He's one of the richest men on the planet, he could be like Gabe Newell and just rent whores if that's what he wanted.

And there is no reason to paint Bezos as some little dweeb.

He's a 5'7" manlet. Late in middle age, he paid a personal trainer and maybe took PEDs to stop looking like such a dweeb.

People cheat because they don't want to fuck their spouse anymore not because they can't.

If you genuinely believe their are no sexually unsatisfied men whose wives frequently rebuff their advances, then you have no experience with women at all. A whole hell of a lot of cheating starts with a woman spying a man who is unsatisfied and smelling an opportunity. Contrary to popular belief, women do have agency. They actually can set their sights on a man and seduce him. They even have agency in their own relationships!

It's just a matter of effort vs reward. Oh sure, maybe you could study a bunch of manosphere manuals and learn how to "game" your frigid wife of 20 years into acting like a newlywed again. It's a lot of work. I know a guy who did it. But it's work, and you have to realize that's even an option. But most guys in unsatisfying marriages will just tough it out until they die. But occasionally, a woman in his life decides to go for him. When that happens, there's little his wife will--not can, will--do to stop the other woman.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

He's a 5'7" manlet. Late in middle age, he paid a personal trainer and maybe took PEDs to stop looking like such a dweeb.

Yeah and I'm sure he became the richest person on earth and never ever fucked anyone but his wife until he met Sanchez. He never once went to a diddy style party, never once fucked an underling. He was a good boy, who dindu nuffing, couldn't get a crumb until this one chick decided to get the bag. No other woman ever made advances on poor little Bezos until the late 2010s.

He's one of the richest men on the planet, he could be like Gabe Newell and just rent whores if that's what he wanted.

The problem is that you pretend nobody until this Sanchez ever tried. Hundreds, thousands maybe even millions of women could fucking see Bezos but only this one goblina decided to take it.

If you genuinely believe their are no sexually unsatisfied men whose wives frequently rebuff their advances, then you have no experience with women at all.

I think there are but I think most of them simply sulk a little and start making too many my wife sucks jokes. Again the cheating rate between men and women is different but not even 2x different.

They actually can set their sights on a man and seduce him.

Seducing someone is not the same as mind controlling them. I don't care if you got a cunt or cock and balls you have to say yes at the end of the day.

But most guys in unsatisfying marriages will just tough it out until they die. But occasionally, a woman in his life decides to go for him.

Nigger did you just argue your way into the men not having any fucking agency?
How common do you think your scenario of man is unsatisfied, man sulks, woman jumps on him is?
Do you think is more likely than man unsatisfied, man finds other pussy by himself?
I don't know how women think but the scenario 1 man just sounds less manly than the scenario 2 man. Scenario 1 man is a victim. Scenario 2 man is getting even in some form of logic.
And to some extent the scenario you describe is also something that could be retroactive. A married man could go after a woman just to get his rocks off and then afterwards she starts serenading him.

It's just a matter of effort vs reward. Oh sure, maybe you could study a bunch of manosphere manuals and learn how to "game" your frigid wife of 20 years into acting like a newlywed again. It's a lot of work.

A lot of work is not a deterrent if you want someone. That's the gap you're not bridging. And my point wasn't that it was easy. Only that if you put the time and effort to run a real affair, the kind that can get you ass fucked in a divorce then you could also just bully your woman into putting out or otherwise coercing her, if you wanted her. If. You have spent very long painting a very specific form of infidelity and reason for it and you're trying to use it to make it seem that all infidelity is like that, or at least the majority and it just goes against what I've seen with my own eyes. I personally haven't cheated but most of the cheating men I've dealt with in my life were not seduced, they did the seducing if anything and often they don't even cheat with a single woman but one in a relationship. And I don't want to start bringing data out but fuck it I will.
A quarter of affairs end in a week, 65% of them in 6 months. And the most damming of it all. 20% of people cheat before they marry, 20% of men cheat while married. The man stealer narrative just doesn't pass muster. And to be frank it also sounds female coded, since it gives a woman all the power, making it a fight between two women and the man is just furniture.
I think you are taking something real which you've seen and stretching it to cover too too much. Cheaters cheat. Maybe you know a man who cheated cause he was neglected. But chances are he's the exception, not the rule.

 

[souschef]

Don't connect it to wi-fi then?

why the fuck would a vacuum cleaner have a wifi feature

 

[Squanto Airi]

why the fuck would a vacuum cleaner have a wifi feature

Because people are too lazy nowadays to take the 5-10 minutes to vacuum their house so they need a robot to do it.

 

[long waters]

That's something that internet losers who are perpetually starved don't get, because sex is for them forever this mystical transcendent kind of nivana.

I don't think I've seen it put so succinctly and aptly before. I think this is a very accurate view of the incel mindset.