Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

[Justsomecicada]

How

Great argument, now show me where any form of tweleverism literally ever called for a caliphate.

 

[MadStan]

Yes, but not just oil. The idea that gas going up by 50% means everything goes up by 50% assumes that 100% of the cost of those thing is the gas it took to drive it somewhere.

An apple doesn't cost $1 because it took $1 of gas to drive it around, that dollar is split among the farmer, the farmer's property tax, fertilizer, the farmer's workers, the guy who works at the supermarket, the cost of the truck itself and the guy who drives said truck and the property taxes of the supermarket....

As a general rule the price of any product on shelf is about 4% due to gas and for things ordered from amazon it's even lower because amazon is actually more fuel efficient due to route specificity and the buyer not having to drive to the store.

So a 50% increase in gas might make some of your products 1% or 2% more expensive. Big fucking deal.


Nobody was saying this here, most of us wanted a full scale ground invasion.


>you have to learn about all these different types of aklahbackdar ooga booga mohommad worship or you're not allowed to see a problem with them acting like complete spergs for 40 years.

No.

Agreed. Oil doesn’t translate dollar for dollar in rises. The recent manufacturers index shows input costs are rising rather quickly. I’d caution against “big fucking deal” though to prices rising another 2% because the other inflationary pressures have to be added and we’re in inflation territory once again well into danger territory for the USA and the federal reserve. Some products will be mildly effected while others much more so. We can’t expect food to not soar when we cut off fertilizers, increase the gas price and heavily rely on transportation costs - these are heavy input factors and food by and large will increase much more than 2%. I mention food only in passing because it is a nerve point for people because we all consume it daily as well as gas at the pump so are acutely aware of changes.

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

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'Rocket launch from #Omidiyeh in Khuzestan' Received video, Monday, June 11, 6:30 Iran time #Iran

Kuwait is under attack. Likely on the two American air bases there. Theres some dark irony in watching missiles take off in a field of sunflowers.


Another defense operation was underway targeting Bandar Abbas this weekend, but don't worry Kiwi frens, the ceasefire is still intact.

 

[Russell Coight]

Agreed. Oil doesn’t translate dollar for dollar in rises. The recent manufacturers index shows input costs are rising rather quickly. I’d caution against “big fucking deal” though to prices rising another 2% because the other inflationary pressures have to be added and we’re in inflation territory once again well into danger territory for the USA and the federal reserve. Some products will be mildly effected while others much more so. We can’t expect food to not soar when we cut off fertilizers, increase the gas price and heavily rely on transportation costs - these are heavy input factors and food by and large will increase much more than 2%. I mention food only in passing because it is a nerve point for people because we all consume it daily as well as gas at the pump so are acutely aware of changes.

Start stocking up on Doritos fatass this is your last month before only silver stackers can afford them

 

[Pelican Bones]

Agreed. Oil doesn’t translate dollar for dollar in rises. The recent manufacturers index shows input costs are rising rather quickly. I’d caution against “big fucking deal” though to prices rising another 2% because the other inflationary pressures have to be added and we’re in inflation territory once again well into danger territory for the USA and the federal reserve. Some products will be mildly effected while others much more so. We can’t expect food to not soar when we cut off fertilizers, increase the gas price and heavily rely on transportation costs - these are heavy input factors and food by and large will increase much more than 2%. I mention food only in passing because it is a nerve point for people because we all consume it daily as well as gas at the pump so are acutely aware of changes.

I'm sure you're putting your heart and soul into these thousand words screeds you keep posting, but I'm not reading any of them. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

 

[geckogoy]

The US government is still in control of the US so i guess somehow we win too?

The reason the IRGC wins by surviving is because presently they are on the defensive. This is not a symmetrical proposition. If they can wait this out and rebuild then they will do that. Easy come easy go, they really don't care that much about their losses. You are seething in the exact same quasi-retarded way trump is.

The only thing that matters to the regime is its ability to sustain itself and rebuild. Either kill them or take away their oil. Most of their oil is actually quite exposed, 90% of it is either in khuzestan or offshore oil platforms both of which are not protected by irans mountains.

This is all quite stupid because everything that has been taken away from them will come back in a decade or two with little to no effort because the oil will easily fund all of it, even if the current infrastructure is obliterated other nations will come rebuild it specifically to access the oil.

 

[GOY MENACE]

Saddam of the 2000's was not the Saddam of the 70s. Iran/Iraq and Desert storm, to a large degree, broke him.

Look at his trial.
Look at his execution video.
He never broke.

Saddam turned more inward, blaming Iraq's loss on "traitors"

The kurds and the shias were traitors.

and may have acquired a drug addition as well.

Never( he never consumed ever alcohol regularly)

He was paranoid and delusional,

Both Bruce Alexander and George piro said he wasn't mentally ill at all

allowed his people to starve and suffer needlessly.

He really didn't have a choice and did his best to relieve it.

Saddam's problem was he lead an army full of, allah forgive me, Arabs.

He was also attacking a country twice his size and had made no provision for logistics to manage any actual, true nation-state threatening attacks.

Four times his size.

Iran is 5 to 6 times bigger than iraq.
Iraqs population (excluding the kurds) was about 12 million and iran was more than 40.

Saddam was offered loans to keep the fight going, when the war ended he expected debt forgiveness given he'd taken on Iran for "the good of the pan-Arab nation" and was told "lol fucking lol now pay up." hence the chimp out that lead to Desert Storm.

Saddam owed pretty much the entire Arab world after Iran/Iraq, a mission he'd taken on to try to be Arab Simon Bolivar, that included Syria.

I don't think he had a choice.
Iran and iraq had tensions ever since the fall of the iraqi monarchy.

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

The reason the IRGC wins by surviving is because presently they are on the defensive. This is not a symmetrical proposition. If they can wait this out and rebuild then they will do that. Easy come easy go, they really don't care that much about their losses. You are seething in the exact same quasi-retarded way trump is.

Agreed.
When we say "the IRGC wins by surviving" its not the full picture. They don't need to survive on fumes for the next decade to be a threat or maintain power to win.

The IRGC just needs to survive the economic headwinds and pain longer than the world energy markets and Trump can withstand the economic and political pain.

Its a game of chicken and right now, Iran isn't blinking because they know the US will require boots on the ground or more strikes to seize the HEU. It takes a month to dig out and access, so Iran is gambling that the US won't risk loosing more interceptors, will cuck to GCCs request of diplomacy and won't risk the economic and political fallout of another heavy month of strikes. If they hold out long enough, they win the Strait, the nuclear dust, sanctions relief, and get a giant financial windfall to last the next 30 years. It won't matter that their military got raped, because they're gambling on a huge payout that can buy a ton of Chink tech.

Only the warhawks like Lindsey Graham or Israel seem to understand asymmetric warfare and its implications.

 

[JayseeDenton]

they really don't care that much about their losses

I don't care if they don't care about their losses i care that they no longer have the things that fuck the world and us up. And by the way, they do care.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

Only the warhawks like Lindsey Graham or Israel seem to understand asymmetric warfare and its implications.

Alex tried to warn us about what happens when you tolerate a government that disarms its populace.

 

[White Goy]

You’ve never heard vapor wave Midnight City.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xKqEJGom6Mc

Reminder that this (rightfully) glorifies Alawhites, Shias and Christians fighting off isis sunni dogs.

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

Blumpf is crashing out on Truth over criticism over his Iran war handling. Idk, maybe don't waste two months on pointless negotiations with jeets and making retarded statements, then not following through, just a suggestion. We do appear to be turning a corner with Project Freedom 2.0, Israel advancing against Hezbollah and strikes on the tiny boat and drone sites. Trump seems to have learned bluster on social media isn't helpful against Iran after getting rolled in negotiations for weeks on end.

 

[BigJoey41X]

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Blumpf is crashing out on Truth over criticism over his Iran war handling. Idk, maybe don't waste two months on pointless negotiations with jeets and making retarded statements, then not following through, just a suggestion. We do appear to be turning a corner with Project Freedom 2.0, Israel advancing against Hezbollah and strikes on the tiny boat and drone sites. Trump seems to have learned bluster on social media isn't helpful against Iran after getting rolled in negotiations for weeks on end.

this guy is such a mindbroken faggot and we elected him again, and apparently he really was the better option in 2024

 

[Ghostse]

Look at his trial.
Look at his execution video.
He never broke.

When I say broke, I mean it woke him up to how absolutely worthless Pan-Arabism was, it killed his dreams of basically Arab Federalism.Desert Storm made him realize he'd never get to enact it militarily.
He was not the same after and just instead worked on internal security.

The kurds and the shias were traitors.

The Shia were, just as always. Remember it is the Iraqis who left the grandson of their precious pedoprophet to die in the desert after assuring him they'd support him.

The Kurds were never loyal so they can't be traitors.

Never( he never consumed ever alcohol regularly)

Lol now you are coping. Saddam in the final years went full off the rails, just like his sons, just like Assad did.
He supposedly cleaned up after 2003 invasion, but the 90s he was definitely on a lot of drugs.

Both Bruce Alexander and George piro said he wasn't mentally ill at all

I don't (necessarily) mean clinically paranoid, but he saw enemies and threats everywhere.
Again, he was surrouneded by Arabs so I dunno if you can blame him. But he went mad.

I don't think he had a choice.
Iran and iraq had tensions ever since the fall of the iraqi monarchy.

Iran and Iraq had simmering tensions since there was an Iraq due to Baathist rule of a Shia majority, but thye didn't become an issue until Iran went theocratic.

His problem was he went in unilaterally as a vantity project instead of attempting to build a collation. There is a reason why the US never went all-in on backing him.

 

[geckogoy]

I don't care if they don't care about their losses i care that they no longer have the things that fuck the world and us up. And by the way, they do care.

Well I'd rather actually beat them, not just blow through billions in ordnance in exchange for some dead sand niggers and sunken sand nigger boats, things which both sides agree had no value to begin with

 

[draggs]

Great argument, now show me where any form of tweleverism literally ever called for a caliphate.

By definition twelverism calls for a caliphate since the 12th imam prophecy is:

-the world becomes really really shitty. The Antichrist shows up and does his shenanigans. Ripping off the Tribulation in Revelations
-the 12th imam and Jesus show up and beat the fuck out of the Antichrist. Again ripping off Revelations, when Jesus and the Archangel Michael show up and... beat the fuck out of the Antichrist and Satan
-the 12th imam becomes the ruler of an earthly paradise that is a preview of heaven. Again ripping off Revelations, when Jesus rules the earth for 1000 years with no war or suffering after the Antichrist and Satan get the fuck beat out of them

 

[GOY MENACE]

When I say broke, I mean it woke him up to how absolutely worthless Pan-Arabism was, it killed his dreams of basically Arab Federalism.Desert Storm made him realize he'd never get to enact it militarily.
He was not the same after and just instead worked on internal security.

Hia ideology is his biggest weakness.

Bakr Sidqi (who was Kurdish) was right about making iraq a Mesopotamian nationalist state (meaning eventually annexing Mesopotamian part of Turkey, Syria and Iran which is inhabited by kurds and Assyrians).

He crushed Assyrian and shia separatist.

His military and social reforms (similar to Atatürk) were extremely successful.

But unfortunately he was assassinated in 37

Iran and Iraq had simmering tensions since there was an Iraq due to Baathist rule of a Shia majority, but thye didn't become an issue until Iran went theocratic.

His problem was he went in unilaterally as a vantity project instead of attempting to build a collation. There is a reason why the US never went all-in on backing him.

Iraq is fundamentally a part of iran.

Iran will never be comfortable with an independent iraq or Azerbaijan.

 

[Schwarzwald]

the nightmare IS COMING.

Oh look, the landwhale who had a heart attack in his 20s because he is such a wound up lunatic over politics memed himself again. At least you didn't throw an arbitrary timeline on your Iran and oil dooming this time, maybe you are capable of learning to spare yourself a bit of humiliation.

Forgive me if I don't take your "predictions" seriously, your track record in many areas leaves quite a bit to be desired. Let's contrast your take with somebody around the same time who isn't an imbecile, chosen completely at random:

Your post is filled with hysteria, false quotations ("comically mild"), and baseless assertions completely pulled out of your fat ass. I have, in fact, been immensely critical of Trump's handling of this since the first wave of negotiations if you haven't noticed. You are doing the favorite tactic of doomer political hacks who are completely incapable of self-reflection or critical thought: "I wasn't wrong in my prediction, I was merely early." You have absolutely zero basis for any of your claims, no sources, and appear to be wildly uneducated about the actual effect of gas prices in direct relation to products and services. If you weren't such a hysterical weirdo whose entire worldview was based around wishcasting centered on your hatred of Orange Man, you might even be able to take a deep breath and realize that the end of the world isn't impending. You might be able to look at things objectively and formulate an actual viable opinion based on observable facts.

At this point, the Strait of Hormuz has been effectively shuttered for more than three months. Oil is at $89 a barrel, lower than the closing on March 2nd after the Iran War started, and hasn't gone higher than $111 a barrel at any point during this. The highest of the high back in March was lesser than the peak of 2022. If you think the market hasn't adjusted and have any possible stagnant scenario baked in at this point and is more liable to delve towards volatility than the initial shock knee-jerk action, you are genuinely dumber than I thought.

It's not ideal, and it's unfortunate for people and certain industries; 'irreversible crashing of the global economy' it is decidedly not. It's not going to magically going to somehow go from the baseline that's been established for months as the market has responded and the market has calmed down to a nightmare scenario, as much as you wish it would, you fat uneducated imbecile.

Genuinely sorry about the input cost impact on your visits to Cheesecake Factory, in any event.

 

[JayseeDenton]

Well I'd rather actually beat them

No argument there, I'm for full scale invasion frankly.

not just blow through billions in ordnance in exchange for some dead sand niggers and sunken sand nigger boats, things which both sides agree had no value to begin with

They weren't valueless, their strategy has always been
>enrich uranium for totally valid peaceful reasons
>get enough conventional forces so that attacking them would be insanely risky and costly
>use that defensive shield to push enrichment into weapons grade level and now nobody can stop them
>chimp out

The nigger boats and missiles were the core part of keystone #2. This narrative that they have all of these things playing in their favor and this is all going according to some grand plan is bullshit. They did not expect to, or want to get buck broken that hard in the opening play. The strait is a last ditch effort to get something and it only works as long as trump continues to play nice. In the meantime enforcing the blockade doesn't really cost that much, the carrier groups would be operating either way so while the ceasefire is wasting everybody's time it's not really costing anybody anything.

But more specifically, I just don't like the way many posters judge our win conditions by whether or not they think they've won. If the post 2010 internet taught me anything it's that there will always be millions of turdies who convince themselves they're all powerful and have made the west tremble. Trying to win the respect of turdies is like trying to convince a 7 year old he could not in fact actually beat you up. It's just pointless.

If they want to sit there and think that being able to ban people from playing music is a victory then good for them.

 

[hugh mungus feed n sneed]

It's a especially autistic day when ghostse the thread-gaper has only an average sized post length.

I can't wait for the next season of Mr.Racewar1488's show to come out these re-runs suck.