US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Romulus augustulus powiedział(a):
has anyone actually met anyone that is hung up on all this stuff IRL? I've never met someone that is a follower/believer/whatever of Owens, Massie, Kent, Fuentes etc. Hell, people barely know anything about the war other than it is something that is happening. Half these scandals I only know happened because of this thread and rage farming via podcasts.

It all strikes me as terminally online.
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Most people I know either share memes about it or grumble about gas prices (California so keep in mind the $4 dollars a gallon the rest of the country is complaining about would've been a screaming deal before the bombing started). The one guy I know who's talked about it at length with me is a Persian guy who's ecstatic it's happening. There were way more people furious about ICE, I haven't even seen any boomerlibs on street corners for this.
 
George Lucas powiedział(a):
Iraq did have chemical weapons, which are technically WMDs.
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Saddam buried some of his WMDs after 1991 as insurance. He also ordered lots of the necessary agents to be literally dumped into the ground so the US couldn't find anything, followed by the intentional destruction of all records about his weapons programs. That may be why some American troops developed horrible health problems from their deployments: they were possibly exposed to toxic chemicals the Iraqis dumped years prior.

Saddam wanted to resume his WMD programs, but most evidence suggests he was going to wait for Bush and the UN to fuck off before fully resuming. He had the capability for sure. His mistake, besides being insane, was projecting as if he still had WMD capabilities to spook neighboring countries. He also hosted a ton of terrorist groups, which is why the US thought he had something to do with 9/11. He hosted countless other Middle East terrorist groups, so him swearing Al-Qaeda wasn't one of them was met with eye rolling.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo powiedział(a):
Saddam buried some of his WMDs after 1991 as insurance. He also ordered lots of the necessary agents to be literally dumped into the ground so the US couldn't find anything, followed by the intentional destruction of all records about his weapons programs. That may be why some American troops developed horrible health problems from their deployments: they were possibly exposed to toxic chemicals the Iraqis dumped years prior.

Saddam wanted to resume his WMD programs, but most evidence suggests he was going to wait for Bush and the UN to fuck off before fully resuming. He had the capability for sure. His mistake, besides being insane, was projecting as if he still had WMD capabilities to spook neighboring countries. He also hosted a ton of terrorist groups, which is why the US thought he had something to do with 9/11. He hosted countless other Middle East terrorist groups, so him swearing Al-Qaeda wasn't one of them was met with eye rolling.
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I read something a while back suggesting Saddam wanted to have a WMD program, but there was really no ability to run one, so his people ran a Potemkin Village-style program that our intelligence confused as being the real thing. I may be hallucinating that.
 
Romulus augustulus powiedział(a):
has anyone actually met anyone that is hung up on all this stuff IRL? I've never met someone that is a follower/believer/whatever of Owens, Massie, Kent, Fuentes etc. Hell, people barely know anything about the war other than it is something that is happening. Half these scandals I only know happened because of this thread and rage farming via podcasts.

It all strikes me as terminally online.
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I legally qualify as paleontological remains, so I'm at least old enough to have an opinion based on pattern recognition.

My opinion is the right-wing naturally produces most of the grassroots theory or ideology in any country because it has an inherent tie to populist, nationalist ideas that arise in the important but politically underrepresented parts of a population. Tradesmen, soldiers and people with families lean right. If any notion of what's going on is destined to pop up (and one will) it will probably come from the inevitable everyman right-wing I describe. Because they lean right, the theories will have a right-wing bend to their foundations.

Groypers are none of these things. They are terminally-online loners, antisocial weirdos, homosexuals, grifters and political hobbyists. They are the cancer killing /b/. If you introduced a relatively conservative philosopher like Aristotle to groypers and allowed them to present their views, he would immediately begin finding flaws and deeming them incoherent, reactionary and probably spiritually Jewish. He would probably resent them for being natural destabilizers and overly-prone to obliging demagoguery (which precedes tyrants).

I think Massie had something going by pointing out Israel has too much power in U.S. politics but he tanked a lot of that momentum by allowing the rush of populist support go to his head. Worse, it's not even genuine populist support like Trump drummed up with his TV persona. It's just groypers.
 
World Famous Quasi Payer powiedział(a):
Holy shit, did you just turn into a retard over night? Yes, iran is not iran. Congratulations. Never said it was.
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as I understood it you were talking about iraqis rebuilding their WMD program

World Famous Quasi Payer powiedział(a):
But he was still doing it. You'd think Israel wasn't interest in cutting off all funding?
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Israel already negated the incentive of funding through bulldozing of homes of terrorists

World Famous Quasi Payer powiedział(a):
So he wasn't opposed to an invasion, and deposing Saddam. Glad we could clear that up.
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Other than telling Bush that Iran was a bigger issue

World Famous Quasi Payer powiedział(a):
What he said after the fact, after the fallout from his initial remarks. Yes people in positions of power backtrack. Again, congratulations on figuring that out.
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this was minutes after he said that first thing. it's the same exact press conference as you can see by the link

World Famous Quasi Payer powiedział(a):
Of course, given that the new regime in Damascus is on good terms with Israel, one wonders why you'd need to blow up those things up. Or given the fact Israel has had the power to dominate Syrian airspace for decades now, why waste the bombs?
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because israel didn't know how things were going to turn out with the new government and Syrian airspace was heavily defended by AA. Israel could circumvent it but it was difficult. They took it out when they had the chance.

World Famous Quasi Payer powiedział(a):
You mentioned curveball because you thought I mentioned it when I had not. You then took the position that Israel knew curveball was bullshit. I've never said curveball was Israel's doing. I've repeated this point a few times now. Let me put it another way, if A) Israel knew Saddam had no WMDs, B) America's entire pretext for invading Iraq was WMDs, and C) Israel desired America to go after Iran over Iraq. Why didn't Ariel Sharon in a closed door meeting for which we still don't have the full transcript not tell President Bush curveball was bullshit. Was it because A) Israel believed American intelligence (in which case they'd have very good reason to support or favor a US invasion), or B) they just didn't care?
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Being clear with what I meant:

Curveball was a greater influence in the decision to attack Iraq than Israel would have been and he was vouched for by both American and British intelligence. America led itself into the war based off his testimony.
George Lucas powiedział(a):
Iraq did have chemical weapons, which are technically WMDs.
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Ironically the US sold them the precursors for those.
MirrorNoir powiedział(a):
But Saddam kept running him mouth that he had bio weapons and was forever close to getting nukes to make himself look big in the eyes of the world,
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stupidest geopolitical decision in the last 30 years next to oct 7th and the actual invasion of iraq.
 
George Lucas powiedział(a):
Idk about that stuff but on the liberal side people are losing their minds. The Ayatollah being dead is a conspiracy theory. Persians celebrating in the streets are paid Trump shills. Over 200 Americans have been killed in combat. Etc.
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3 months ago, they believed that Trump sucked Bill Clinton's dick while Epstein's department store manager brother watched.
 
Romulus augustulus powiedział(a):
has anyone actually met anyone that is hung up on all this stuff IRL? I've never met someone that is a follower/believer/whatever of Owens, Massie, Kent, Fuentes etc. Hell, people barely know anything about the war other than it is something that is happening. Half these scandals I only know happened because of this thread and rage farming via podcasts.

It all strikes me as terminally online.
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The only people who give a shit about this are people who are so hip deep in politics they can't see over their own bullshit. Yeah. This is a terminally online thing for the most part.
 
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