Iran Crisis ∩ Trump Politics Mass Debates Thread

[The Fourteen Words of ZOG]

Either they're shills or so braindead and hopeless and noticing that they can't help but be wrong again. Maybe it's masochism in internet form?

That thread is completely inorganic and astroturfed with Jewish propaganda. They do get very mad over negative stickers though.

As for your other question there really is no easy way out of this. I see the following scenarios that could play out:

- Option 1: Trump reaches a settlement via negotiations. Try to find a neutral mediator. The problem with that is that Iran has no incentive to play ball now, unless they receive far reaching security guarantees. Currently there is ZERO trust from the Iranian side after they got fucked over during negotiations twice. Also various war crimes happened.
Reminder: They were ready to make huge concessions before the war but Israel had no interest in peace as they prefer Iran completely out of the picture.

Unironically allowing Iran to develop their nuke would be the best option to guarantee peace in the region.

Of course this also means Trump has to reign in Israel somehow and there are legitimate questions if he is even able to do that.

- Option 2: Trump pulls out of the war and declares victory. The strait stays closed, the world economy goes into recession and depression. Israel receives more beatings from Iran. Israel nukes Iran -> WW3 very close, the world order as we know it is over.

- Option 3: Long and grueling war with ground invasion similar to Irak/Afghanistan.
Strait will still stay closed, world economy will still get fucked. USA will not be able to win this war due to lack of manpower/terrain, etc. So after many years, diplomats will end the war and a settlement can be reached.

- Option 4: Some crazy shit happens e.g. a second 9/11 false flag, destruction of Al-Aqsa Mosque, USA using nuke, etc.
Once again, WW3 danger type scenario.
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All of this and everything in between could happen. Iran has all the escalation potential while USA/Israel are slowly running out of targets. Hitting the desalination plants, pipelines, oil refineries is easy. The whole region can fall into complete chaos and other actors could start going crazy. Think about North Korea or China. This is really a WW3 scenario.

The orange retard really fucked up this time and it hasn't fully reached the public yet.

 

[Duane Dibbley]

The orange retard really fucked up this time and it hasn't fully reached the public yet.

Informative post and I agree with your assessment. I'm dancing between:

9/11 false flag to justify escalation - though that's risky as Europe/NATO want no part of it*.

Small victory declared as Mission Accomplished, while the area descends into chaos and isreal cry about security threats - which will pull is into another war.

* It's never not funny how the MIC-posters who declare USA supah powah numba wan are crying bitch tears that NATO won't help them, while simultaneously calling NATO/EU powerless, weak and can't defend themselves.
As I said in another post, it is "Russia is fighting with shovels" level of delusion and retardation.

How do people keep falling for this shit?

 

[The Fourteen Words of ZOG]

* It's never not funny how the MIC-posters who declare USA supah powah numba wan are crying bitch tears that NATO won't help them, while simultaneously calling NATO/EU powerless, weak and can't defend themselves.
As I said in another post, it is "Russia is fighting with shovels" level of delusion and retardation.

How do people keep falling for this shit?

I don't think these people can be convinced, even after Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq they haven't learned. Iran is a completely different beast. The US military is strong, but it's also slow and expensive. This is not a fight you can win unless you are willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of soldiers. Pretty much all military analysis seem to be in agreement on this. Trump suddenly begging for help from his partners is also not exactly a sign of strength.

 

[Duane Dibbley]

I don't think these people can be convinced, even after Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq they haven't learned. Iran is a completely different beast. The US military is strong, but it's also slow and expensive. This is not a fight you can win unless you are willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of soldiers. Pretty much all military analysis seem to be in agreement on this. Trump suddenly begging for help from his partners is also not exactly a sign of strength.
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I have to think that those people have never been in a war, have never worked in any environment with logistics and spend the majority of their time ordering food online.
They seem to have no concept of how an army or invasion works. You can't just select 150,000 troops and right-click 'attack'. You need everything from food to water to showers to accommodation and even nebulous resources like diplomatic approval, financing and a whole strategy of what to attack, when, how and with who. All of those need contingency planning and plan B, C and D's for when things change.

Just shipping food to troops on the second line is full operation, let alone other resources like clothing, rifle oil, rounds, water and stocking up BX and RX's with hygiene equipment and medicine.

And those people call us dumb, retarded and explain how we don't understand

 

[Nick Wilde]

What's everyone's view on how long this 2-week military operation will go on for, and what event will be the distraction needed to help the goyslaves and NPC's conveniently forget about it?

Depends. Right now I get the impression the US wants to drop it and walk away, but with the closure of the strait, the reality is it can't. Iran is unquestionably taking a severe beating, but the regime is prepared to fight to the death and drag everyone else down with it.

So the US faces the choice to either lose face and try to reconciliate, or double down and try to invade. I'm 50/50 on it but my cynical instinct is they'll take the bait. This will drag on forever and collapse the oil markets, which will ultimately only play out favourably for Russia and China. US currency will risk losing global reserve status as oil starts to be traded in yuan. The US will be committing a full retard sodoku, a full on slapstick Sideshow Bob Stepping On Rakes move, and worst case scenario end up dethroning itself as the primary world superpower.

Frankly even if they do back down now, the Hormuz situation is still going to be a problem. If the US hadn't already lost enough respect from its allies, this idiotic stunt has sealed the deal, and they will be treated with suspicion and skepticism in future. The US is a global trade empire, it took over the family business from the British empire (only did it in a way more retarded manner), so none of this is in its own interest, but this current administration has zero concept of sunk cost fallacy.

TL;DR it's either another two weeks, or another six years.

 

[Adolf Von Merkel]

Ukraine(and sorta Syrian/Yemen civil wars) shown us something:
-Doing a quick invasion to a small country(Georgia war, granada,...) or a take a territory thing(Crimea invasion) is easy
-Go full retard with a medium/Big country that has been preparing 10-20 years for a war that you are yelling every time could happen(Ukraine or this) is harder, you could win but this is not WW2 anymore, invading a country like France in this world is harder to do and even harder to maintain(more when you has internet that spread too much information, letting propaganda from both sides almost useless).

 

[Dojima's Dragon]

Are you stealing or buying them?

Yes

 

[DeeDee Megadoodoo]

What's everyone's view on how long this 2-week military operation will go on for, and what event will be the distraction needed to help the goyslaves and NPC's conveniently forget about it?

The thing is, this one can't be gamed out in the usual, "when's the next mid-term, what's it doing to the market" sort of way, because Trump doesn't get to say when it ends. Trump already suggested they talk it out, and Iran said, "shut-up and fight, faggot".

 

[Mukhrani]

The question I had since day one, the same question several people I spoke to have and yet no concrete coherent answer beyond hypotheticals and speculation. What is the plan.

I am not going to defend the Iranian regime, but trumps ramble of having the people rise up or the other possiblity of the shah's kid taking the throne without a CIA backed coup ready (which doesn't appear to exist) to overthrow the now cardboard Ayatollah seems far too hopeful. Assuming there isn't a full scale invasion what is plan. With how flawlessly the leadership of the regime has been decapitated its telling me that it's been that easy this entire time, it hasn't been done because of the nightmarish shit show to come next. Will Iran devolve into civil war as the IRCG engage in their usual tactics of massacring civilians to try to keep their weakened grip on power? Will we get a repeat of the balkan conflicts where the various ethnic minorities in Iran start slaughtering each other? What is next in this plan beyond obliterating their missile production capacity and eliminating the leadership?

This is the plan. You're making the fatal error of assuming that the war was launched with American interests in mind. This outcome is against American interests as it will spike oil and fertilizer prices globally and cause chaos in one of the world's most important shipping chokeholds. Or maybe you're making the mistake of thinking that this war was launched for 'the Iranian people' and that the 'plan' is to create a utopian society where the Muslims forget their religion and the women start wearing miniskirts and the men become suave sophisticates and shave off their cavemen beards. Wrong. The plan is to cripple Iran. Doesn't matter how much it hurts the people of Iran. Doesn't matter how much it fucks with long-term American interests in the region or hurts the relationships we've been trying to build with the Gulf oil-producing states to get the oil flowing. What matters is only that Iran cannot fund threats to Israel or directly attack Israel. The only reason we didn't want them to get a nuke is because if they did this dismantling would then be impossible. That is quite literally the only consideration on our politicians' minds right now.

I think all Trump saw was that 80% of Iranians supported a regime change and assumed it'd work out like Venezuela.

This oft-cited number is drawn from a survey that only used a single VPN, a VPN which the US government has poured millions of dollars into. A very skewed sample. Hence, the 'puzzling' lack of a mass uprising.

 

[browserbowser]

You would think that posters who made an arse out of themselves during the start of the Ukraine war - where they predicted total Russian collapse and Ukrainian victory within months, would learn not to be so fucking retarded when it comes to war prediction, but low and behold, the other thread is full of those same people.

Either they're shills or so braindead and hopeless and noticing that they can't help but be wrong again. Maybe it's masochism in internet form?

I'm sure there's some concept or idea that you wouldn't change your mind on no matter what anyone said about it. For some, like myself, it's the existence of God, and Christ being His son and our savior. For others, it's some pablum of secular humanism talking points and a concept of some greater equality than that of sheer outcome being reachable for mankind in our age. For yet others, it's the might of the American military and its legitimate use as a (very expensive) blunt instrument. For yet still others it's the supremacy of their race, of their creed, of their nation, etc.

What you're seeing is loyalty. Misplaced loyalty, but loyalty all the same. Loyalty to a label, an expectation, a set of ideas, a person, whatever, it's all the same shit.

 

[Lundgoff]

The head of ctu resigning over Israel

 

[Retrodogkiller]

This oft-cited number is drawn from a survey that only used a single VPN, a VPN which the US government has poured millions of dollars into. A very skewed sample. Hence, the 'puzzling' lack of a mass uprising.

Even if that number was 100% accurate it wouldn't matter as the 20% are the ones with the IRGC backing, monetary incentive behind supporting the regime and weapons. Meanwhile the 80% are broke and mostly unarmed.

 

[Duane Dibbley]

So the US faces the choice to either lose face and try to reconciliate, or double down and try to invade. I'm 50/50 on it but my cynical instinct is they'll take the bait. This will drag on forever and collapse the oil markets, which will ultimately only play out favourably for Russia and China. US currency will risk losing global reserve status as oil starts to be traded in yuan. The US will be committing a full retard sodoku, a full on slapstick Sideshow Bob Stepping On Rakes move, and worst case scenario end up dethroning itself as the primary world superpower.

According to the 2030 Agenda, this is all according to plan. Most people repeat the initial "You will own nothing and be happy", line, but few remember "America will no longer be the world's super-power".

The thing is, this one can't be gamed out in the usual, "when's the next mid-term, what's it doing to the market" sort of way, because Trump doesn't get to say when it ends. Trump already suggested they talk it out, and Iran said, "shut-up and fight, faggot".

I wonder if the only way out is for netenyahoo to be dead, sending israel to go just a little bit too retarded and heavy handed, giving justification for the yanks to walk away. Though I do wonder how many bullets would be sent towards trump if he tried walking away from the war.

Whatever happens in the future, it's safe to say that the MIC has bollocksed this one up.

 

[No-Eyed Square Guy]

The question I had since day one, the same question several people I spoke to have and yet no concrete coherent answer beyond hypotheticals and speculation. What is the plan.

Whose is the plan is what is the plan.

An enemy nation led/misled/bought/forced/etc. (depends who you ask) America into a war.

What do your enemies want for you? Humiliation, impoverishment, death.

 

[The Fourteen Words of ZOG]

The head of ctu resigning over Israel

Damn this is huge.

Officially admits:

- Iran was not a threat
- We did it just for Israel and followed a disinformation campaign orchestrated by them and the media
- Americans dying for nothing

This is brave and the guy is a true patriot.

Again in better quality:



Israel shills in the "news thread" shaking. "bUT l00k aT h1s hAiR"

 

[Duane Dibbley]

Israel shills in the "news thread" shaking. "bUT l00k aT h1s hAiR"

That's the level of analysis i have come to expect from retards.

If he was the head of counter-terrorism, he is basically saying that his job is about to get harder for no reason other than his boss is a retard. I appreciate the balls to leave.

 

[Taser Confetti]

Tulsi Gabbard will be next.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Damn this is huge.

Officially admits:

- Iran was not a threat
- We did it just for Israel and followed a disinformation campaign orchestrated by them and the media
- Americans dying for nothing

This is brave and the guy is a true patriot.

Again in better quality:
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Israel shills in the "news thread" shaking. "bUT l00k aT h1s hAiR"
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tut6dmaiojs

They will stick some pro-Israel warhawk in his place. He should have said it and kept his role, doing his best to counter Israel since they are a terrorist threat themselves.

 

[When will it begin?]

What's everyone's view on how long this 2-week military operation will go on for

If Massie wins his primary May 19. If Massie loses then we're in it for the long haul.

That's the level of analyse i have come to expect from retards.

If he was the head of counter-terrorism, he is basically saying that his job is about to get harder for no reason other than his boss is a retard. I appreciate the balls to leave.

Or he knows a false flag is in the works and he wants out before he gets blamed for not preventing it.

 

[Taser Confetti]

Or he knows a false flag is in the works and he wants out before he gets blamed for not preventing it.

Shit, they’re desperately trying to portray that African that shot up a nightclub in Austin as some kind of Iranian sleeper agent instead of just a nigger doing nigger things.