Iran Crisis ∩ Trump Politics Mass Debates Thread

fellas. is it your fault when your enemy builds schools into their military facilities, literally using buildings in the compound for it, and building a wall so flimsy you can pull it down by hand, and take pains to keep all the markings the same as when it was occupied by the IRGC?
So you bombed a school with kids in it. Big whoop.

I ignored your post, because it's shit.
Cope harder, motherfuckers lol
It'd be no less hilarious as it's sad seeing your niggered nation sucking Netanyahu's cock with all this Epsetin Furry bullshit.
But if you think you're going to "defeat" the regime with bombings, good luck, niggers. Iran ain't isis and it sure ain't hamas either.
 
Will we get a repeat of the balkan conflicts where the various ethnic minorities in Iran start slaughtering each other?
Iran is more culturally homogenous than the Balkans and many Arab countries. All your points are valid, but I don't think ethnic conflict is likely in Iran. I think the plan is eliminate Iran as a threat when they are at their weakest and be done with it. Is that a smart idea? I don't know because I can't see the future. What I do know is that a lot of Americans, myself included, will be very upset if Trump sends troops into Iran. Maybe he's considering it and is seeing what happens after the midterms. It could be that Trump is playing the waiting game to see what the regular people in Iran do versus the theocratic government. If the leaders dig their heels in and IRGC morale holds, then all of this just sets the timer back a few years.
 
They don't seem to have had any problem stopping ships passing the straight of hummus, and setting fire to those who tried. Not a single US ship has escorted anyone through so far.
you mean in the past few days, after which we destroyed the rest of their navy, including their minelayers? after we've made it so that their drone warfare is going to have to deal with the literal hard-counter russia and ukraine have been developing in their drone war? why do you think they were so fucking pissed about the drones from ukraine being sent to the US military?

Are you retarded? seriously, do the people in this thread not actually understand how warfare works? mined waters are not safe immediately. the point is to prevent them from ever laying another mine, even with random 'commercial cargo' vessels they've commandeered, and also to just... take control of the strait.

iran is reliant on food imports by sea. they are absolutely, completely, with no question, fucked if they do not reopen the strait. and by the time they are willing to do so (and they've begun reducing their demands for surrender significantly, with the most recent just being a request for money, and the US withdrawing from the persian gulf, an absolutely pathetic request imo when their former goal was the death of all of america, the infidels, and other whites which i know you aren't one of, so doesn't affect you) it will no longer be their choice. the strait is likely going to be blockaded by america if they choose not to. that's the fun thing about having a navy like ours. you can blockade an entire strait and still pressure china in the seaways.

the houthis have not actually been fucking with red sea deliveries either, despite people thinking they would. turns out "We're going to starve because our neighbors are chimps who can't just stop antagonizing the US" isn't as appealing to the houthis as the IRGC expected.
 
The question I had since day one, the same question several people I spoke to have and yet no concrete coherent answer beyond hypotheticals and speculation. What is the plan.

I am not going to defend the Iranian regime, but trumps ramble of having the people rise up or the other possiblity of the shah's kid taking the throne without a CIA backed coup ready (which doesn't appear to exist) to overthrow the now cardboard Ayatollah seems far too hopeful. Assuming there isn't a full scale invasion what is plan. With how flawlessly the leadership of the regime has been decapitated its telling me that it's been that easy this entire time, it hasn't been done because of the nightmarish shit show to come next. Will Iran devolve into civil war as the IRCG engage in their usual tactics of massacring civilians to try to keep their weakened grip on power? Will we get a repeat of the balkan conflicts where the various ethnic minorities in Iran start slaughtering each other? What is next in this plan beyond obliterating their missile production capacity and eliminating the leadership?
The plan was to obviously destroy Iran much like how Trump killed Venezuela and to install a puppet regime that would be more favorable to the long term goals of Israel. First it was that worthless south American nation, next it was Iran, and afterwards Cuba. Basically a 4 day SMO. However, Iran surprisingly managed to fight back and so Trump is looking at ways to end the conflict as soon as possible while carrying out his directives from above. Midterms be damned.
 
you mean in the past few days, after which we destroyed the rest of their navy, including their minelayers? after we've made it so that their drone warfare is going to have to deal with the literal hard-counter russia and ukraine have been developing in their drone war? why do you think they were so fucking pissed about the drones from ukraine being sent to the US military?

Are you retarded? seriously, do the people in this thread not actually understand how warfare works? mined waters are not safe immediately. the point is to prevent them from ever laying another mine, even with random 'commercial cargo' vessels they've commandeered, and also to just... take control of the strait.

iran is reliant on food imports by sea. they are absolutely, completely, with no question, fucked if they do not reopen the strait. and by the time they are willing to do so (and they've begun reducing their demands for surrender significantly, with the most recent just being a request for money, and the US withdrawing from the persian gulf, an absolutely pathetic request imo when their former goal was the death of all of america, the infidels, and other whites which i know you aren't one of, so doesn't affect you) it will no longer be their choice. the strait is likely going to be blockaded by america if they choose not to. that's the fun thing about having a navy like ours. you can blockade an entire strait and still pressure china in the seaways.

the houthis have not actually been fucking with red sea deliveries either, despite people thinking they would. turns out "We're going to starve because our neighbors are chimps who can't just stop antagonizing the US" isn't as appealing to the houthis as the IRGC expected.
Cope harder. The USA couldn't defeat Iraq and Afghanistan after 20+ years, and now Trump is busy begging other countries to donate ships to fight in his war since the Iranian regime didn't fall after 3 days.
 
Cope harder. The USA couldn't defeat Iraq and Afghanistan after 20+ years, and now Trump is busy begging other countries to donate ships to fight in his war since the Iranian regime didn't fall after 3 days.
The US (and its allies) achieved military victory in the initial Afghanistan invasion in less than 10 weeks. In Iraq, it took less than 6 weeks. You can quibble about how the overall plan of introducing DEMOCRACY and stability failed in the end, but militarily those operations were a slam dunk. It's like saying that the Soviet Union couldn't defeat Germany and the Baltic countries, because Soviet Union is no more and those countries exist today.

Now, IMO, there is a much bigger question this time of what even is the military objective here. What constitutes as success seems to change almost daily. We'll see I guess.
 
Has anyone called Americans fucking losers today?

Afghanistan: Left after 10 years with a bunch dead and left almost a billion dollars worth of weapons to the people you were fighting the whole time
Iraq: More or less the same thing slightly better
Vietnam: Blown the fuck out by a bunch of rice farmers, with a failing voice the yankee-doodle quivers 'Don't touch South Vietnam' a day later the commies take it and rename it to their revolutionary hero.
Iran: Despite some military success they involve themselves in a quagamire, billions spent for close to no tangible results. Strait still unsafe, regime still in tact 0 strategic goals achieved, a few dead old people again the goal is regime change who cares about spending billions on a whack o moll with an Ayotollah
Korea: China couldn't even cloth their troops, literally couldn't get them clothes, but THEY STILL FOUGHT THE DOODLE YANKEES to a standstill at the height of the USA empire.

And then the Trumpster throws shade at other peoples troops :lol:
 
The US (and its allies) achieved military victory in the initial Afghanistan invasion in less than 10 weeks. In Iraq, it took less than 6 weeks. You can quibble about how the overall plan of introducing DEMOCRACY and stability failed in the end, but militarily those operations were a slam dunk. It's like saying that the Soviet Union couldn't defeat Germany and the Baltic countries, because Soviet Union is no more and those countries exist today.

Now, IMO, there is a much bigger question this time of what even is the military objective here. What constitutes as success seems to change almost daily. We'll see I guess.
It took the USA 21 years to replace the Taliban with the Taliban, and when they left, they couldn't take off fast enough. The Iraq war resulted in the Republican Guard waging warfare for another decade, and eventually the rise of ISIS.
And here? noone has an idea what ther plan is, even in yesterday's presser the 'off-ramp' questions resuted in 'mumble mumble'.
Here fuel has rocketed up, and my portfolio is down, so in short, fuck Trump, fuck Israel, and fuck America for starting yet another war.
 
The plan was to obviously destroy Iran much like how Trump killed Venezuela and to install a puppet regime that would be more favorable to the long term goals of Israel. First it was that worthless south American nation, next it was Iran, and afterwards Cuba. Basically a 4 day SMO. However, Iran surprisingly managed to fight back and so Trump is looking at ways to end the conflict as soon as possible while carrying out his directives from above. Midterms be damned.
I think all Trump saw was that 80% of Iranians supported a regime change and assumed it'd work out like Venezuela.
 
It took the USA 21 years to replace the Taliban with the Taliban, and when they left, they couldn't take off fast enough. The Iraq war resulted in the Republican Guard waging warfare for another decade, and eventually the rise of ISIS.
And here? noone has an idea what ther plan is, even in yesterday's presser the 'off-ramp' questions resuted in 'mumble mumble'.
Here fuel has rocketed up, and my portfolio is down, so in short, fuck Trump, fuck Israel, and fuck America for starting yet another war.
Trump isn't dumb enough to reveal his hand to a traitorous media who will do whatever they can to sabotage him. He'll keep his own council with the people he trusts. Completely consistent with the way he always operates.

Were the Taliban and ISIS capable of creating nukes and racing to do so? How great would your portfolio be after nuclear warfare? If the calculation was that a nuclear Iran posed an existential threat to the world, it's worth it to destroy Iran's government.
 
Were the Taliban and ISIS capable of creating nukes and racing to do so? How great would your portfolio be after nuclear warfare? If the calculation was that a nuclear Iran posed an existential threat to the world, it's worth it to destroy Iran's government.
I'd say a more pressing existential threat to the world is a country who currently has nuclear capability with a history of waging unilateral wars of aggression against its neighbors. Thankfully there's no country like that today and we're effectively preventing one from springing up in Iran.
 
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Come on countries I've been a huge dick to, lets now work together since i've gotten myself in trouble. It's only week 3 of the 4 day special combat operation and there is nothing wrong to beg for help to open the strait that was never closed and is being held by Iran whose military capabilities have been 100% completely obliterated except for all the boats and drones and missiles and mines. Let's make it a team effort to clean up the unbelievable mess I've created on my own to serve my kike masters.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Assuming there isn't a full scale invasion what is plan
Ask Israel. We aren't in the driver's seat.

The IRGC is decentralized. I think the plan was to just keep killing off leadership until there was a succession crisis and the 31 semi-autonomous units started fighting each other vying for power. Then maybe the Kurds and Azeris would start shooting too and Iran would just be stuck in chaos for a while.

Though actually let's be real I'm pretty sure Israel just wants to get us stuck there forever contributing to the chaos because goyim lives don't matter.
 
Ask Israel. We aren't in the driver's seat.

The IRGC is decentralized. I think the plan was to just keep killing off leadership until there was a succession crisis and the 31 semi-autonomous units started fighting each other vying for power. Then maybe the Kurds and Azeris would start shooting too and Iran would just be stuck in chaos for a while.

Though actually let's be real I'm pretty sure Israel just wants to get us stuck there forever contributing to the chaos because goyim lives don't matter.
did they have any plan so that iran didnt target them too or did they expect we'd just go full iraq quick enough to avoid them having to conjure a menorah fingered homunculus netenyahu?

edit im not even sure hes dead seems like just some iranian stuff but its fun to imagine the baby killer yid got the skid
 
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