Debate Betonhaus on women's rights and rape fantasies - ITT a penis pumper who doesn't know how to properly lubricate thinks he knows what's best for women

[pollution jim]

You do get the odd one, like a read a series where after an accident a guy gets used as a guinea pig for a company that effectively turns him into a sex obsessed AI in a meat suit perfectly tailored to be what every a bunch of hot woman wants.

I hope that I'm not into eating shit out of a diaper because Pamperchu is a man

 

[Betonhaus]

You mean to tell me this guy

Has a poor comprehension of history and society?
Say it aint so.
You know what @Betonhaus, hey, nigger, how about you prove your hypothesis of rape fantasies before we debate over it. Go on. Show me a study proving women have rape fantasies to this frequency.
The sales of a book designed to appeal to a BDSM dynamic do not count towards this. Nor do any other sales statistics. Show me a backed survey or psychological study before I take your ass seriously.

Bivona, J. M., & Critelli, J. W. (2009). "The nature of women's rape fantasies: An analysis of prevalence, frequency, and contents."Published in The Journal of Sex Research, 46(1), 33–45.


In this study, researchers surveyed 355 female undergraduates (mostly aged 18–21) using:

• A sexual fantasy checklist based on the legal definition of rape (force/coercion against consent).
• A detailed sexual fantasy log with prompts and self-ratings of arousal and aversion.

Key findings:

• 62% of the women reported having had at least one rape fantasy at some point in their lives (higher than some earlier estimates of 31–57%).
• Among those who had them, the median frequency was about 4 times per year.
• 14% reported having rape fantasies at least once a week.
• The fantasies existed on a continuum:
  • 45% were completely erotic (arousing with no aversive feelings).
  • 9% were completely aversive (unpleasant).
  • 46% were mixed (both erotic and aversive elements).

This suggests the fantasies are often sexually arousing in imagination but remain distinct from any desire for real-world non-consensual acts. The study also tested several theoretical explanations (e.g., blame avoidance, openness to sexuality) and found partial support for factors like erotophilia (positive attitude toward sex) and higher self-esteem being linked to more frequent/erotic versions of these fantasies.


A related earlier review by the same authors (Critelli & Bivona, 2008, in The Journal of Sex Research) summarized prior research showing prevalence between 31% and 57%, with 9–17% of women experiencing them frequently or as a favorite fantasy.


More recent large surveys (e.g., one with over 4,000 Americans) have reported around 61% of women fantasizing about being forced into sex at some point, consistent with this range.


These fantasies are understood in sexology as consensual non-consent (CNC) scenarios in imagination—common across genders in fantasy contexts—but unrelated to endorsing or desiring actual rape. Real rape is violent crime; fantasies are private mental scenarios under full personal control.

 

[Starefag]

In this study, researchers surveyed 355 female undergraduates (mostly aged 18–21) using:

Oh cool. So it's less than 500 very young women who only recently underwent puberty.
"oh but the 4000 americans!!!"

Consider, that you have no information on the age demographics of the groups, nor the methodology. Unless you can quote THAT one too.
At best, you've proven it's common in hormonal (Read: Recently sexually mature) women. Now lets consider the reverse. How many times does the average young man masturbate weekly? Should we disqualify these men from holding positions of office? Should we disqualify them from voting because they'd just vote for the most attractive candidate, since they're clearly ruled by their sexual desires? Clearly not, otherwise Hillary would've won. Because she's a female, and most American men aren't gay.

Also, denote the word "Fantasy". I fantasize sometimes about punching someone. I do not actually do this. Because I have a brain capable of reason. And punching people I consider annoying is retarded.

This suggests the fantasies are often sexually arousing in imagination but remain distinct from any desire for real-world non-consensual acts. The study also tested several theoretical explanations (e.g., blame avoidance, openness to sexuality) and found partial support for factors like erotophilia (positive attitude toward sex) and higher self-esteem being linked to more frequent/erotic versions of these fantasies.

Oh hey look at that your study agrees with me

TL;DR your study is at best a vertical slice of a small section of the female population at a particularly sexually active time of their lives. Most congress members and presidents are in their 40's, well past this age. Rendering your point moot.

 

[Nickel Silver]

You mean to tell me this guy

Has a poor comprehension of history and society?
Say it aint so.

He also has a poor reading comprehension considering he believes he is infallible like some pope of gay misogyny, although that seems to be deliberate.

 

[YautjaWeeb]

14% reported having rape fantasies at least once a week.

Imagine going to the trouble of raping and it turns out she dreams about it weekly and enjoys it and you can't coom because she's ruining it.

 

[>tfw no Asian gf]

In other words the Spartans stupided themselves to death with their inflexible culture, tactics, and social structure, which is completely unrelated to women.

Spartan women did have something to do with it, as the richest group in Sparta, they were really conservative in regards to integration, social mobility and immigration, since a new population would mean new competition for both influence and wealth, in order to prevent this they more or less killed any attempt at reform, by the time of Alexander Sparta could barely muster an army of a thousand citizens and the only reason they weren't destroyed or outright conquered was because to both Philip and Alexander the myth of Sparta was one that greatly served to keep the rest of Greece in check, while they feared Macedonia, they were terrified of Sparta even more.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

This suggests the fantasies are often sexually arousing in imagination but remain distinct from any desire for real-world non-consensual acts.

This sentence alone kinda goes against your point

 

[AMHOLIO]

How many times does the average young man masturbate weekly? Should we disqualify these men from holding positions of office?

If you can't pass no-nut-november as a single human of either sex, you cannot vote. So it is law. Remove that Canadian from the voting pool!

 

[General Patton]

Most of these animals aren’t sapient enough to reason. When they are, you have societies like bonobos where the females run the joint. As it turns out, you mess with either a baby or a female in the group- you’ll get mauled to death.

Elephants also do this.

 

[Helvítis Túristi]

Oh cool. So it's less than 500 very young women who only recently underwent puberty.
"oh but the 4000 americans!!!"

Consider, that you have no information on the age demographics of the groups, nor the methodology. Unless you can quote THAT one too.
At best, you've proven it's common in hormonal (Read: Recently sexually mature) women. Now lets consider the reverse. How many times does the average young man masturbate weekly? Should we disqualify these men from holding positions of office? Should we disqualify them from voting because they'd just vote for the most attractive candidate, since they're clearly ruled by their sexual desires? Clearly not, otherwise Hillary would've won. Because she's a female, and most American men aren't gay.

Also, denote the word "Fantasy". I fantasize sometimes about punching someone. I do not actually do this. Because I have a brain capable of reason. And punching people I consider annoying is retarded.



Oh hey look at that your study agrees with me

TL;DR your study is at best a vertical slice of a small section of the female population at a particularly sexually active time of their lives. Most congress members and presidents are in their 40's, well past this age. Rendering your point moot.

The median frequency is also 4 times per year, meaning this isn't going through women's heads all the time. More of a once of a blue moon type of thinking for the ones that do have these kinds of fantasies.

 

[Starefag]

I think he's mad.

 

[Rozzy]

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I think he's mad.

He's certified ASD and ADHD.

 

[Starefag]

He's certified ASD and ADHD.
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Strange. Autists usually love reading shit.
Why would he quote a study that literally disproves him?

 

[cigint]

Banned.

Rape is natural for nonsapient beings. But once you gain the ability to reason and form social groups. Not really

I don't like a-logging troons and entire races but you couldn't think to yourself that calling rape """natural""" was a bad idea?

Rape is natural for nonsapient beings, but also for sapient beings, as evidenced by need for many laws (which in some societies actually de facto codify rape as acceptable). What's worse, the user was clearly saying "rape is natural too" as a negative example of making a moral judgment on the basis of something that naturally occurs among animals. So not only was he literally correct in saying it's natural, but his admonishment of it has been misinterpreted via deliberate obtuseness that was done in bad faith here.

 

[Kiwisee]

Rape is natural for nonsapient beings

As I implied in a previous post, it looks like rape to us because of anthropomorphism (when we apply human traits to animals). Some of the most brutal mating rituals are usually found in prey animals that need to be as tough as possible to survive. No room for being docile when the entire world is out to kill you.

 

[Starefag]

but also for sapient beings, as evidenced by need for many laws

Except the need for laws is also the acknowledgement that it's wrong. And thus not 'natural' to indulge wanton impulses like rape and murder.
One thing you will note about many violent criminals is poor impulse control.

 

[Blue Flying Leaf]

I disagree
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Nog is not a man but animal

As I implied in a previous post, it looks like rape to us because of anthropomorphism (when we apply human traits to animals). Some of the most brutal mating rituals are usually found in prey animals that need to be as tough as possible to survive. No room for being docile when the entire world is out to kill you.

Like ?
Swans, penguins and parrots pair for life
Ducks just rape everything they can
Lions will kill cubs so they can get lioness pregnant again
Dolphins have rape gangs
Fish and frogs just nut
Female cows hump eachother
Seals will rape penguins
Seahorses rape eachother enough that the looser turns into a female

I am really not sure, how you can draw conclusions from any of that. What we consider as rape just happens all over the place and as the same time it doesn't happen in certain species.

With "survival of the lamest" the rape is:
W for rapist
L for rapee
You can't build a society with half the people taking L's from most violent of specimen

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

Autists usually love reading shit.

Only when it's about their hyper (cock) fixations.

 

[Trombonista]

I'm willing to remove @Betonhaus's pink triangle if he can convince his mother that women aren't worthy of having the same rights as men.

 

[Sneed's Feed n Seed]

who the actual fuck falls for bait like this lol