What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

Trump's "praising White Nationalists" and "injecting bleach"
This was something very real, twisted by the media into sounding dumb, like horse paste or fish tank cleaner.
There was and is work on using agents (some of which are used also in bleaching processes) in medicine - I think this specific one was a light activated thing where the chemical was administered and then activated with light of a specific frequency.
You cannot hate the media enough
Edited to note that @NoReturn menrions the exact experiment below.
 
Is that not true? Don't tell me I've been bamboozled again
It's weird to run into. I had the same with someone about Trump's "praising White Nationalists" and "injecting bleach". This person, a relatively normal functioning human being, outright clung to her false version of what Trump had said even when I played the actual video for her. I mean this exactly as I say it: I played the actual video, she insisted that he still said something he plainly did not.
I remember the whole Sarah Palin thing, as well as "Trump wants you to drink bleach" (yes, that's what I heard people repeat). A lot of it is just lazy stupidity and TDS to the point where they just want to believe anything bad they hear, true or not.
This was something very real, twisted by the media into sounding dumb, like horse paste or fish tank cleaner.
There was and is work on using agents (some of which are used also in bleaching processes) in medicine - I think this specific one was a light activated thing where the chemical was administered and then activated with light of a specific frequency.
You cannot hate the media enough
Also, on the bleach thing, even Snopes says he didn't say it, in fact he explicitly said it wouldn't be used.
Furthermore, on the related topic of UV light that came up at the same press conference, that was real, Trump wasn't pulling it out of his ass, he was just explaining it weird: UV Light Therapy is Being Studied as COVID-19 Treatment at Cedars Sinai Hospital
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Apparently it didn't work too well. I haven't heard anything about it in years.
Also, a sunburn in your throat if something went wrong would feel awful.
 
The only way I can logically explain it is...do you remember the image floating around facebook about 15 years ago, of the dress that was blue/gold and white/green (i think were the colours) and people saw one colour or the other and swore blind it couldn't be anything else?
I wonder if we can tap into the auditory version of that (we can, there's a tedtalk on it) and people are being riled up and divided using this technique?
 
This was something very real, twisted by the media into sounding dumb, like horse paste or fish tank cleaner.
There was and is work on using agents (some of which are used also in bleaching processes) in medicine - I think this specific one was a light activated thing where the chemical was administered and then activated with light of a specific frequency.
You cannot hate the media enough
The "bleach" was a reference to a technique of using ultraviolet light in the lungs via an endoscope to disinfect them. That got spun into inject yourself with bleach.

The "White Nationalist" one he said in reference to events in Charlottesville that there were very fine people on both sides and "I'm not talking about the White Nationalists".

There's no way other than being outright dishonest that one can hear either of his statements and turn them into what was actually reported.

But the crux for me was that a seemingly rational personal who I had known for a long time, could have the original video played right in front of her and still insist it said what she'd been told it said.
 
Conspiratards have been sperging about a global purge since at least the 80s, if not before, and it's never happened. I was supposed to be put in a FEMA death camp by 1998 and yet I'm still here, shit posting and making fun of schizos online. Take your meds and stop spreading well poisoning bullshit.
It's just a modern, more secular form of Christian apocalypticism. It's typical in late stage civilizations where pessimism takes over and a supposed cleansing will magically fix all our problems.
 
The "bleach" was a reference to a technique of using ultraviolet light in the lungs via an endoscope to disinfect them. That got spun into inject yourself with bleach.
There’s APHT as well, using hydrogen peroxide and UV to disinfect. I do t think that’s used in tissue though, but it was used for ‘stuff.’
 
The story of Kitty Genovese used by Alan Moore as part of the backstory of the character Rorschach, was also apparently false, or at least wildly exaggerated in terms of the number of witnesses. 37 people did not stand by and do nothing. The effect is real, I've seen people turn and look away, but there are a lot of good people out there.
That one is ALSO exaggerated!
They say it was just the bystander effect, but even the facts of the case don't bear that out. We know someone scared her killer away after his first attack by yelling at him, he came back and that's when she was killed.
Also, whenever you look up the story, you'll notice they don't often include the killer's photo or even mention his motive was femicide. I've even seen people talk about it like he had some romantic relationship with her and killed her out of anger. No. He was just a fucking monster.
 
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It's funny how I can show up to an office in a button up shirt and a tie (if I choose) and have almost an entire building of people dressed in t-shirts consider me a conformist because of it.
My last full-time office job was like that. It escalated up to the owner taking me aside one day and telling me that I should dress down, because, in his words, I was "people thought I was trying to show off". I wasn't even wearing a tie. Just nice shirts, chinos, and a suit jacket from slaters.
 
There’s APHT as well, using hydrogen peroxide and UV to disinfect. I do t think that’s used in tissue though, but it was used for ‘stuff.’
Nor was this technique, but it was a real thing that was being tried at the time. Just Trump taking some preliminary experimental idea and referencing it before trials were complete. Still, that's not really any different to the vaccines they actually rolled out...
 
Yes you are the rebels/cool kids/free thinkers/anti-Establishment/punks, etc
when their viewpoint is supported by JP Morgan, Coca Cola , Disney and the government. Very rebellious.
You know when you’re being rebellious, people get very angry, and it’s almost never because you did something, but because you refused to do something. See: covid shots.
I also dislike Alan Moore using the eating of baked beans directly from the tin as an indication of being disturbed too. But that's for more, um, personal reasons...
Let she who has never eaten cold beans and sausages from the can cast the first stone…
 
Cialdini is right in what he says and his examples do work in the real world. However, you have to read it and understand it through the lens of americanised techniques and customer base - for the people who are buying products that Cialdini uses as examples.
Maybe I wasn't being clear. The broad strokes conclusions that Cialdini was trying to communicate are what I was talking about, not nit-picks in the scenarios themselves. What Cialdini was trying to communicate was that there exists certain instinctual phenomena in the human mind that kind be taken advantage of very easily. Like a simple button that, when pressed, consistently results in specific and predictable behavior in all subjects, like the mind control method you proposed.

While the phenomena he writes about are generally accepted as being real, their effects have been severely and intentionally overstated. It's like a drunk driver saying there was a breeze that blew against his car, implying that the breeze caused his car to crash. There was a breeze. The breeze did effect his car. You might say the driver made a factual statement, except of course that he's lying.

Cialdini falls into a school of thought I call Environmental Determinism. The father of this school of thought was a researcher named Foucault. He believed that the human mind is extremely malleable and is a simple reflection of it's environment. He envisioned humanity like a raging river, a slave to physics and circumstance. That river might still be tamed through infrastructure, the same way humanity could be improved through wise and judicious political reform. These reforms were his second great passion in life. His first great passion was taking children into graveyards at night, raping them, and infecting them with AIDS.

If you haven't already guessed, some of the worst men who ever lived were a part of this school of thought. Before you take this stuff too seriously, consider what sort of man would prefer that you believed that humans are not responsible for their actions, and that the concept of right and wrong is immature.

Maybe it would help to go through a few examples:
  • Cialdini cites an experiment where Doctors order subjects to shock a man who pleads for mercy. He claims this is an example of authority bias.
    • What he didn't explain is that subjects rejected the Doctors' authority outright. And of course they did, nobody even listens to their doctors normally. The Doctors then presented a logical argument to subjects, explaining that the man's suffering was temporary, but would advance science and ultimately result in incalculable benefit for humanity. Subjects responded 60-40, with 40% of people refusing to continue the experiment. Honestly, I'm surprised it's that high. Personally, I definitely would've pressed the button. Either way, people were pretty evenly split on how to deal with the situation.
  • Cialdini cites an instance where a girl was raped and 20, 30, 40, or 50 people stood in a circle and watched it happen. The story changes depending on who tells it. He claims this is an example of the Bystander effect.
    • The rape was real and caused a lot of anger in New York, where it happened. In order to distract from the crime itself, the press came out with the above story, which shifted blame from the rapist to the people who supposedly watched it happen. The story came from an anonymous investigator who spoke off the record. There has never been any evidence that the bystanders existed at all except from this anonymous informant, including the original police report.
  • Finally, let's talk about the Stanford Prison Experiment
    • The PI (Zimbardo) took a bunch of preppy Ivy League kids and dressed them up as cops and robbers, in order to show that the "prisoner" characters would immediately turn capricious and evil, and that the "guard" characters would become domineering and cruel. When this (obviously) didn't happen, the PI inserted himself into the experiment as the Warden and began punishing the prisoners intensely for no reason, in order to build resentment between the different roleplayers and hopefully kickstart the self sustaining dystopia he was trying to create. This also failed, of course. He canceled the experiment, after one of the prisoners allegedly cried, and declared it to be a success. There's a lot wrong with the Stanford prison experiment, but I'll keep things brief since people who are way smarter than me have already dissected it to death. Just know that it's so bad that even a lot of contemporary psychologists have been trying to distance themselves from this specific experiment.
 
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This was something very real, twisted by the media into sounding dumb, like horse paste or fish tank cleaner.

I remember the fish tank cleaner story where they tried to meme hydroxochloroquine as not being real medicine despite it having decent results at the time and only later people understanding why and how. They particularly boosted this one story of a guy who overdosed on it and how his wife wanted to sue Trump over it.

Turns out she poisoned him with the fish tank stuff, knowingly using a massive dose, and used TDS as bait to dodge suspicion. She might even have gotten away with it if the media hadn't blown her case up to national notoriety and made it so the local police paid more attention so they could fend off reporters.

Similar there was this one viral story about how people were dying from "eating horse paste" in some small town and completly overwhelmed the doctors and led to people dying of Covid and shit that got astroturfed to hell, until the actual hospital this was supposed to be happening at reached out and said "none of this is true, no one has died from Ivermectin and our hospital is not overcrowded, the doctor named in this article doesn't even work here" and they quietly dropped the story.
 
FYI, Stanford Experiment is propaganda. In fact, basically every example Cialdini used in his book is either made up or intentionally miscommunicated. You might say, he exerted influence upon his readers.
Ironically, while both experiments were total frauds, bad science, and incredibly unethical (you couldn't do them under current human subject standards), I think the actual conclusions are mostly valid. It's just that they started out with their conclusions and then manufactured data to "prove" them, so they're junk science and don't actually prove anything.
 
I believe AI was released to the masses to counter smartphone adoption.

Any UAP or alien video will instantly be considered fake—even if the military and credible whistleblowers have made official statements and even declared to Congress that yes, non-human intelligence and UAPs are real.

Smartphones were a huge threat. It would just take a single citizen in the right place at the right time to snap a photo or video, and you could instantly take down a multimillion-dollar, decades-old glowie operation.

Whoever replaced Epstein, and all the people doing trafficking like him, will just cry "AI." Not a hypothetical.Politicians are already crying “AI”. Caught a politicians stealing? It was AI.

AI is a wet dream for government censorship.

You can now create evidence for anything you want after a few clicks and some prompts: convince people of any sob story you want to invade a country or kill anyone. And when caught with proof, you can claim the real evidence is fake and AI-generated.

It works. Even if a mothership with aliens was seen flying over a major city, many people would still think it was AI and just ask for “debunks.”

And if you think AI isn't good enough, that’s because you're thinking of the commercial models. Those are for us the plebs. I'm sure they have way more advanced AI models for military/ intelligence agency use that could bypass any kind of modern forensic scrutiny.
 
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Also there's a LOT of predictive programming in Hollywood even a decade ago.
a lot of that was moreso the occultist schizos thinking they were doing secret subliminal magick when in reality they weren't accomplishing much of anything as mentioned in my earlier post. nowadays they just skip all that and shove the slop directly down your throat and it is finally achieving the results they want
 
I genuinely believe a lot of the conspiracies and hand-wringing about AI are being encouraged by the powers that be to make LLMs seem more valuable than they really are, to justify expenditures and valuation to shareholders.
That’s assuming only the private sector has AI models, or is working with AI.

The military is always decades ahead in technology, and whenever they make something public is because they already have something better.

And they don’t have to care about shareholders and profit.
 
I believe AI was released to the masses to counter smartphone adoption.
I think it was something inevitable and it was just "AI time" like at one point it was "steam engine time."

That said I agree with everything else about how it will be exploited for bullshit like that.
The military is always decades ahead in technology, and whenever they make something public is because they already have something better.
The civilian sector always catches up, though, even if nothing is released. Sort of like strong crypto (without the backdoor like DES had) eventually went civilian.
 
There's no way other than being outright dishonest that one can hear either of his statements and turn them into what was actually reported.
The group falling for the corporate/government/TPTSNB/etc. tricks are dishonest people. They are dishonest about everything, even to themselves, which allows them to be manipulated easily. The "being dishonest about not understandings things so you have no way to even begin a conversation with them" is their trap. They completely redefine words to suit their needs, they pretend to not understand objective truth to avoid being proven wrong, they willing omit facts to prove their point, etc., etc. They are dishonest and it is killing them slowly.

And if you think AI isn't good enough, that’s because you're thinking of the commercial models. Those are for us the plebs. I'm sure they have way more advanced AI models for military/ intelligence agency use that could bypass any kind of modern forensic scrutiny.
The government/TPTSNB do not have better tech than the public in terms of raw technology. That hasn't been the case for decades. They have better weapons tech due to them buying it up and keeping it secret, but in terms of computation they are limited to the same hardware that is commercially available. They were not using "generative AI to make deep fakes of Epstein", for example. This isn't the 50s.

Specifically when it comes to AI, and it was the same case with "cloud computing", the research is being done in the open and not in some academic lab. These are hardly commercial products, the public is being used as lab rats to perform the research.
 
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