Debate mlanguishi about the police system in America

[John.Doe]

Government and cops are just like fire - absolutely vital to the functioning of an organized society above a certain size, but requiring constant control and vigilance. Whats that old canard? Thing {X} is a good and useful servant, but a terrible/wicked master? It applies to government and its enforcement arm, without a doubt.

All corrupt government agents are traitors to the people and should be treated as such, all good government agents should get discounts on their doughnuts.

 

[obsdj]

No one gives a shit if you've been arrested. What matters is if you've been charged or convicted of anything.

Nobody listen to this. It is potentially life-ruining advice.

 

[Sammich]

Wow, you are quite the little bitch, aren't you?

I mean, defending qualified immunity would make you the bitch, actually. and johnny too, but i don't think he even knows what the fuck it is, so many he's just dumb and not like really dumb.

 

[WelperHelper99]

BULLLLLSHIITTTTTTT

That's just insane talk right there

You have to get dropped charges paid expunged, and even that doesn't fully clear it. What a dumb statement.

Have you been arrested perchance?

 

[mlanguishi]

Nobody listen to this. It is potentially life-ruining advice.

Incredible, he's usually a decent poster but trusting the system like this. Just a dropped arrest will show up on all your backgrounds and they'll see that giant red flag, but we probably got a no-job person anyway here.

 

[Jace on ice]

I'm always confused when I see conservatives furiously inhaling cop cock.

Don't you remember

Cops arresting people for Covid bullshit?

Cops arresting 80 year olds on misdemeanor trespassing charges on J6?

Cops body slamming little old ladies for praying in front of Planned Parenthood?

Cops arresting the parents of raped children during school board meetings for protesting against troons?

Most cops are compliant midwits who will happily enforce Communist nonsense at gunpoint if it means they get their precious paychecks that they can use to buy toys.

You fucking retards think these people are your friends? Maybe once you're tasting boot after being arrested for leftist nonsense you'll reconsider.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Nobody listen to this. It is potentially life-ruining advice.

I found out today that it's state by state, and have edited my post accordingly. In some states, arrests without convictions cannot be considered by employers.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Why does everyone on the farms think the entire world is corrupt and out to get them?

a few globe-spanning conspiracies against a message board will do that

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

I mean, defending qualified immunity would make you the bitch, actually. and johnny too, but i don't think he even knows what the fuck it is, so many he's just dumb and not like really dumb.

If you'd be so kind, could you take a close up photo of just your hand? Front and back, I want to read your palm.

 

[Sammich]

Government and cops are just like fire - absolutely vital to the functioning of an organized society above a certain size, but requiring constant control and vigilance. Whats that old canard? Thing {X} is a good and useful servant, but a terrible/wicked master? It applies to government and its enforcement arm, without a doubt.

It definitely requires some more nuance than would be found on a new zealand fruit picking forum.

So what happens if the portland police force are literally an arm of Antifa, or are otherwise completly rogue?

just to play out this hypothetical, doj would step in, state police would probably surge some folks to take over day to day until new police could be vetted, hired and go on duty. That's just how i think it would happen, who really knows. not sure it's ever happened before.

 

[Neverender]

I found out today that it's state by state, and have edited my post accordingly. In some states, arrests without convictions cannot be considered by employers.

Nobody listen to this. It is potentially life-ruining advice.

I think we can all safely agree it's better to never ever be on the wrong end of a cop in your entire life and avoid the issue entirely. If you are on the wrong end of the cop, say nothing and get a goddamn lawyer.

 

[mlanguishi]

Have you been arrested perchance?

Who hasn't been at this point? That's not the matter, it's that most just blow it off and think it doesn't affect future employment and they only do a night in city jail. It wrecks peoples' lives in general and you're guilty until proven innocent, especially in medically induced DUI cases like insulin shock, and they have to pay thousands later to expunge it too.

Fair system? It's so insane how things work in the legal system you guys have no idea.

 

[obsdj]

In some states, arrests without convictions cannot be considered by employers.

What is legal and what people get away with are wildly different things. You would be hard-pressed to prove a potential employer "considered" your arrest unlawfully, because all they have to do is make up literally any other reason to tell you why you didn't get a job. Getting arrested, even without getting charged, can destroy a person's opportunities among other things. It's irresponsible to suggest that it's not a big deal and you shouldn't worry about it.

 

[ActualCracker]

I'm always confused when I see conservatives furiously inhaling cop cock.

Yeah to be honest same, it's mainly on the fact that cops don't have the best interest of the public in mind. Police in the US were made to protect property, not you. Don't be surprised when they fuck you over. Thinking any government institution is buddy buddy with you is on the left side of the bell curve.

 

[CharlesBarkley]

What is legal and what people get away with are wildly different things. You would be hard-pressed to prove a potential employer "considered" your arrest unlawfully, because all they have to do is make up literally any other reason to tell you why you didn't get a job. Getting arrested, even without getting charged, can destroy a person's opportunities among other things. It's irresponsible to suggest that it's not a big deal and you shouldn't worry about it.

This is bullshit because I have seen plenty of black people get jobs that involve computers or being in an office.

 

[mlanguishi]

What is legal and what people get away with are wildly different things. You would be hard-pressed to prove a potential employer "considered" your arrest unlawfully, because all they have to do is make up literally any other reason to tell you why you didn't get a job. Getting arrested, even without getting charged, can destroy a person's opportunities among other things. It's irresponsible to suggest that it's not a big deal and you shouldn't worry about it.

They'll never tell you why 'they picked another candidate' but any arrest is probably #1, gotta get em expunged for the $$$. Just a google search on you is enough for most HR. People are so clueless on the job situation now.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Who hasn't been at this point?

Uh... i think most people pal. What the fuck did you do retard?

That's not the matter, it's that most just blow it off and think it doesn't affect future employment and they only do a night in city jail.

It does matter when you're out committing fucking crimes.

It wrecks peoples' lives in general and you're guilty until proven innocent, especially in medically induced DUI cases like insulin shock, and they have to pay thousands later to expunge it too.

So you were drunk and behind the wheel. Aight.

Fair system? It's so insane how things work in the legal system you guys have no idea.

Nigga you had a DUI fuck off.

 

[RedRage]

What is legal and what people get away with are wildly different things. You would be hard-pressed to prove a potential employer "considered" your arrest unlawfully, because all they have to do is make up literally any other reason to tell you why you didn't get a job. Getting arrested, even without getting charged, can destroy a person's opportunities among other things. It's irresponsible to suggest that it's not a big deal and you shouldn't worry about it.

The solution would be to only provide employers a list of someone's arrests that led to conviction, but the undesirables in our country would take advantage of that. Once again and with all things, the issue boils down to any systems we could put in place to navigate shit like this have to wait until we've cleaned house.

 

[mlanguishi]

Uh... i think most people pal. What the fuck did you do retard?

It does matter when you're out committing fucking crimes.

So you were drunk and behind the wheel. Aight.

Nigga you had a DUI fuck off.

Gawd you are stupid or obtuse, sad to see you think cops are always right.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

What is legal and what people get away with are wildly different things. You would be hard-pressed to prove a potential employer "considered" your arrest unlawfully, because all they have to do is make up literally any other reason to tell you why you didn't get a job. Getting arrested, even without getting charged, can destroy a person's opportunities among other things. It's irresponsible to suggest that it's not a big deal and you shouldn't worry about it.

So then why don't more employers refuse to hire black people and just say those black people weren't qualified? Oh, right. Because it's a crime to discriminate based on race and companies don't want to get sued at all. So they don't break the law. If your assumption is that everyone everywhere is breaking the law all at once, then okay.