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Reminder for the ‘Build transit and let them come crowd’ that the discretionary rider is what really drives down car modal use and they should be prioritized for a good experience.

Arguably any form of transit that doesn’t have under-15 min frequencies is inevitably a humiliation ritual especially combined with transfers, because you will need to time everything around catching the bus (and missing it results in wasted time and a sense of powerlessness).

If your transit system cannot deliver on that frequency and reliability, and is decrepit and full of criminals/the homeless, then the discretionary rider will eventually switch to vehicular use instead to avoid disorder (again everything in modern North America is centered around paying more to escape disorder).
There's going to be some discretionary riders, but chasing after people who would've drove cars is a losing proposition, especially if you think that you'll be taking a noticeable amount of cars off the road. (I may be pulling numbers out of my ass but I think the DART Red Line in Dallas maybe did 5% of would-be road numbers and that was the most successful line for such). Usually the light rail just cannibalizes bus riders.

But at the high cost of light rail you might as well add more road capacity. They'll argue how, say, a fifth lane to a four-lane highway is diminishing returns but that's the nature of math...however that's still a 20% increase in capacity for a comparable cost.

Even rich URBANISTS don’t practice what they preach. Jane Jacobs, an early anti-highway activist who coined the phrases “missing-middle housing” and “build cities for people not cars”, lived in a single family house in Toronto. Zohran Mamdani, NYC’s urbanist mayoral candidate, is chauffeured around in a full-size SUV. We all know that Jason has a car and lives in one of the few neighborhoods in Amsterdam with single-family homes, though it’s not confirmed that he lives in one. That crazy American Fucker Threads Bluesky guy drives is driven by his wife whenever he’s not taking photos with his cargo bike.

And of course Charles Marohn with Strong Towns, which is the subject of our next comic.

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oh man I forgot to bring up this stupid complaint about bike maintenance earlier. IT IS VERY FUCKING EASY THERE IS NO EXCUSE. You can do it in an apartment and any special tools you need pale in comparison to automotive tools. This broad really is a useless womanchild if she complains about needing to shove her whole ass bike into a car because she can't figure out how to install new headset bearings or a new derailleur or run a brake cable.

Yeah I didn't need to do much "parody" if she's doing my job for me.
 
Yeah, found quite a bit of that on R/FuckCars (from a post about dedicated horse lanes):

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Speaking as an Okie (one of the few places in the US with wild mustangs still roaming about) if your average stable kept horse was let loose to roam the plains, it'd drop dead. That'd be like letting a pack of golden retrievers loose in the forest & expecting them to act like a wolves. Some might survive, but the vast majority of them will die. I own Arabians - their prissy spoiled colic prone butts would probably off themselves the moment they figured out they were abandoned & left to the elements (mind you, they're smart - they'd figure it out quickly). "No more air conditioned stabled? No more specialty grass feed or treats? Yeah, no - see you in the next life bye bye".

TLDR, anyone who thinks horse ownership is cruel/horseback riding is cruel, is retarded (and/or pro horse eugenics?)
Any youtube video of horses doing farmwork, or competitive pulling, or any sort of showmanship (big lick doesn't count because that actually is abuse) you will have some moron saying it's abuse poor horsie. I've seen videos of a mare nipping or kicking at her foal that was acting up and someone goes "omg why didn't you stop it?!" LOL good luck stopping a horse kick dumbass.

I swear though, so many fuckcars people seem ignorant that horses and horse drawn carts were used before cars. Wonder how many also believe in Tataria? Would also love to see them crying about horses shitting in the bike lane

Edit: "omg chud did you get the horse's permission to pull that cart? This is abuse. Also children are smarter than you think so they can consent to troon surgery and my sexual advances on roblox"
 
I've seen videos of a mare nipping or kicking at her foal that was acting up and someone goes "omg why didn't you stop it?!" LOL good luck stopping a horse kick dumbass.
There’s always an insane outburst from non-horse people whenever a video shows a young horse being taught basic manners or a wild one being tamed. They immediately start screaming "waah abuse!!" even when it’s just a horse on a lunge line getting lightly tapped with a whip. For the record-actually abusing a horse is a death wish
 
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There’s always an insane outburst from non-horse people whenever a video shows a young horse being taught basic manners or a wild one being tamed. They immediately start screaming "waah abuse!!" even when it’s just a horse on a lunge line getting lightly tapped with a whip. For the record-actually abusing a horse is a death wish
OMG WHY ARE YOU EVEN USING A WHIP??? WTF IS LIGHTLY TAPPED AND WHY DO YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE??!!?
 
Ummmm, yikes! The new hot thing is called consent-based training, look it up chuddy!
I have literally seen videos of people asking their horse's "permission" before they groom, tack up, or get on. It's crazy.

"He doesn't feel like being ridden today!" Neat! I don't always "feel like" going out to ride, but I still do it because we both need the exercise. And if society goes to shit and my horses are the only method of transportation I have, they're going to know that when it's time to work it's time to work.
 
I have literally seen videos of people asking their horse's "permission" before they groom, tack up, or get on. It's crazy.
I know EXACTLY what videos you have in mind. The wildest one was "letting my horse pick the brush that he wants to be cleaned with". Lady, this animal has a brain the size of a walnut. It doesn't care.
Not only that- it's a very stupid and dangerous idea. The farrier won't wait for the horse to "consent" to have its feet touched. The vet and dentist will absolutely do things that the horse does not "consent to" because it's unpleasant and hurts and the meds taste disgusting
The only thing the horse consents to are grazing 24/7 and treats lol
 
I know EXACTLY what videos you have in mind. The wildest one was "letting my horse pick the brush that he wants to be cleaned with". Lady, this animal has a brain the size of a walnut. It doesn't care.
Not only that- it's a very stupid and dangerous idea. The farrier won't wait for the horse to "consent" to have its feet touched. The vet and dentist will absolutely do things that the horse does not "consent to" because it's unpleasant and hurts and the meds taste disgusting
The only thing the horse consents to are grazing 24/7 and treats lol
There's been some freakishly intelligent horses out there. Most will spook at a trash bag in the wind. Your horse isn't Gold Ship, lady
 
There's going to be some discretionary riders, but chasing after people who would've drove cars is a losing proposition, especially if you think that you'll be taking a noticeable amount of cars off the road. (I may be pulling numbers out of my ass but I think the DART Red Line in Dallas maybe did 5% of would-be road numbers and that was the most successful line for such). Usually the light rail just cannibalizes bus riders.

But at the high cost of light rail you might as well add more road capacity. They'll argue how, say, a fifth lane to a four-lane highway is diminishing returns but that's the nature of math...however that's still a 20% increase in capacity for a comparable cost.
As usual it's very region and geographically dependent, in a lot of cases the benefit of light rail isn't in replacing road capacity, it's to reduced the rate at which demand increases, and providing alternatives, it was always funny when I did the work commute that if it rained first thing the roads would be congested worse than usual and the trains less congested, but if it was a nice morning or there had been a freeway crash the day before, the trains would be crammed and the roads not as congested.

What the faggot urbanists and most retarded of right wingers don't get is they are complementary forms of transit, if every drives or everyone is forced onto PT they break down from the sheer volume of demand regardless.

Its also why I hate the faggots who downplay crime on PT and ignore the fact that higher and visible police presence on PT increases ridership, just like how visible patrols reduce car theft.

Then again I believe the non-grifter half of the retarded urbanists are like the Tesla Stan who only ever owned a beat up 20 year old corolla, and so is amazed by trivial reddit tier shit in it, they can't understand why anyone who has owned a decent car is unimpressed.
A well integrated transit and road system is only a big deal if you live somewhere that doesn't have one, otherwise it's just another way of getting around.
 
As usual it's very region and geographically dependent, in a lot of cases the benefit of light rail isn't in replacing road capacity, it's to reduced the rate at which demand increases, and providing alternatives, it was always funny when I did the work commute that if it rained first thing the roads would be congested worse than usual and the trains less congested, but if it was a nice morning or there had been a freeway crash the day before, the trains would be crammed and the roads not as congested.

What the faggot urbanists and most retarded of right wingers don't get is they are complementary forms of transit, if every drives or everyone is forced onto PT they break down from the sheer volume of demand regardless.

Its also why I hate the faggots who downplay crime on PT and ignore the fact that higher and visible police presence on PT increases ridership, just like how visible patrols reduce car theft.

Then again I believe the non-grifter half of the retarded urbanists are like the Tesla Stan who only ever owned a beat up 20 year old corolla, and so is amazed by trivial reddit tier shit in it, they can't understand why anyone who has owned a decent car is unimpressed.
A well integrated transit and road system is only a big deal if you live somewhere that doesn't have one, otherwise it's just another way of getting around.

Generally, the "replace road capacity" is the default mechanism. Unless you luck out with an abandoned right of way or piggy-back onto an existing one (like a utility line or active railroad) the method is to either replace existing road capacity or take the space where there would be. (Assuming there's not something even more expensive, like elevated or underground).

But the others are definitely not true, at least from what I've seen. First, as long as a city is growing (and by city I mean the whole metro area) there's going to be more demand for the infrastructure. I'm not sure what you mean by "reduce the rate at which demand increases" otherwise. Providing alternatives is the line urbanists use, yet they always complain when it is added (and buses exist everywhere) and it's NEVER used in reverse, either. "I love the Amsterdam mass transit but I want alternatives, I wish A2 actually went into the city and connected with S116" or "I always regret that they cancelled the Lower Manhattan Expressway".
 
But the others are definitely not true, at least from what I've seen
That's why I said it's region and geographically dependent because it is, bumfuck nowhere that can barely satisfy a bus service won't see a benefit vs a built up area where demand outstrips capacity and so needs higher capacity options which is why urbanists saying 'well acksuly' is stupid, just as stupid as trying to claim just adding another lane is 'always better'

Hell here they increased capacity by removing grade crossing allowing more rail services and reducing road travel time, increasing the carrying capacity of both at the same time.

And yes increasing alternative transport methods will always reduce the rate at which demand for road capacity is increasing, because people use multiple reasons to decide how to travel the way they do and increasing road options will also reduce the rate of increase in demand on pt.

Transport options are always interlinked, it's why outer suburban areas often have complaints about PT, if your only options are road based then both private and public transport(buses) are equally impacted by road congestion, creating unsatisfied demand, and the best way to solve that problem depends on the area but is usually either increasing capacity of the road network or providing higher capacity seperated services.

Urbanist and right wing grifters are retarded because they always claim that their option is the best, and the other is the devil, when both have their place and should be an option when deciding what to do. Bikes aside, they are usually a waste of space for the middle class to play on xD
 
The cybertruck looks like it's designed for a low radar cross section and is begging for armor plates to be installed.
 
That's why I said it's region and geographically dependent because it is, bumfuck nowhere that can barely satisfy a bus service won't see a benefit vs a built up area where demand outstrips capacity and so needs higher capacity options which is why urbanists saying 'well acksuly' is stupid, just as stupid as trying to claim just adding another lane is 'always better'

Can you name any examples, though? I mean, one of the thing that annoys me about urbanists is the assumption that their ideas work in a vacuum and then apply to it any city. I'm going to try to break down the post as is.

OK, so bus service. Every city needs some level of bus service and I'm not debating that, if only to satisfy the lower socioeconomic levels, which is fine as long as they're not claiming that it's "more efficient". And at a certain point something like subway makes sense but you have to get Manhattan levels (pre-COVID, anyway) for that to make sense. But those are going to be exceptions and the answer usually is more road capacity.


Hell here they increased capacity by removing grade crossing allowing more rail services and reducing road travel time, increasing the carrying capacity of both at the same time.
Removing grade crossings doesn't change volume, it changes travel time, which is important to consider in building a road network, because more stops = slower, plus especially during slow traffic you want to make sure the road ahead clears before making your way across the railroad tracks. It doesn't help train capacity, though the rail operators like it so they can have a long stretch to stop, don't have to blow the horn, and go faster.

That being said, when it comes to "muh highway capacity" urbanists will never propose alternatives to speed up traffic, like timing stoplights better, increasing speed limits, and so forth. These things cut down on commute time. Rather, they see commute time as a number that doesn't matter to them. Lowering speed limits/capacity to the point where it adds three more minutes of travel time elicits a shrug at best while any waiting to cross a street is an affront to human nature.


And yes increasing alternative transport methods will always reduce the rate at which demand for road capacity is increasing, because people use multiple reasons to decide how to travel the way they do and increasing road options will also reduce the rate of increase in demand on pt.

Well, if by "demand" the amount of people wanting to use the service that's mostly numbers that can't be changed. When urbanists talk about "induced demand" they mean more lanes = more cars. But the cars will show up anyway and cram onto narrow highways if it's a growing city (I think I've brought up Austin before) and just make traffic worse. Strictly on freeways and city growth, cars represent population, not how much the highway holds. They don't materialize out of nowhere, and can either cram onto increasingly congested freeways or not. Meanwhile, other cities get wide roads built years ago and never have a problem with it. I was surprised to find recently that Bastrop (about 50 miles out from Austin) had its bypass built in the 1950s or 1960s and even in 1998 only had a smattering of businesses along it (a handful of fast food spots, Wal-Mart Supercenter, the old Wal-Mart, and a small H-E-B, about half a dozen gas stations, etc.)

Even now, with the growth of the Austin metro area with lots more rooftops, and twenty years past adding frontage roads, the highway still hasn't seen many changes. Meanwhile, the Houston freeways have had multiple upgrades.

The thing I was talking about earlier—it's rare that a mass transit option could be truly objectively be better than expanding a highway, even if 5% of people who weren't already on mass transit elected to take the train, it would do better to expand the highway capacity. The thing is that expanding a 2-lane to 3-lane road would add 50% more capacity (one to two is 100% capacity, or doubling it), a fourth lane is 30% more, a fifth lane is 25%, and so on. And with every lane you add more capacity. If we go with the "theories in a vacuum" idea you can fit three times as many cars on a six lane highway (in each direction) than two. (The actual number is less due to people changing lanes and needing space and all that).

Transport options are always interlinked, it's why outer suburban areas often have complaints about PT, if your only options are road based then both private and public transport(buses) are equally impacted by road congestion, creating unsatisfied demand, and the best way to solve that problem depends on the area but is usually either increasing capacity of the road network or providing higher capacity seperated services.

Suburban areas dislike public transit because the taxes are drawn from the entire metro area and the suburbs pay into it but barely see any results. Urbanists hate it because they have to route mass transit all the way out to suburbs where it does less good (and the suburban board members will often throw a monkey wrench in decisions) but while suburbs can survive without Greater Area Mass Transit or whatever it's called, the transit authority can't survive without it.

Urbanist and right wing grifters are retarded because they always claim that their option is the best, and the other is the devil, when both have their place and should be an option when deciding what to do. Bikes aside, they are usually a waste of space for the middle class to play on xD

It's not "right-wing grifting" to throw cold water on mass transit and urbanism and saying that "both are bad" is some weasel pseudo-centrist move and you're still wrong. Reminds me of this meme from a while back.
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Can you name any examples, though? I mean, one of the thing that annoys me about urbanists is the assumption that their ideas work in a vacuum and then apply to it any city. I'm going to try to break down the post as is.
Examples of what? that local circumstances determine what is the best solution? It's literally the thing you are complaining about in that sentence...
Removing grade crossings doesn't change volume, it changes travel time, which is important to consider in building a road network, because more stops = slower, plus especially during slow traffic you want to make sure the road ahead clears before making your way across the railroad tracks. It doesn't help train capacity, though the rail operators like it so they can have a long stretch to stop, don't have to blow the horn, and go faster.
Dude, removing crossing absolutely changes volume of both rail and road traffic as in the real world there has to be a balance, one of the key planks of level crossing removals here is that the boom gates can be down for 30-45 mins per hour in the peak due to the number of suburban services, and if they ran trains at the level they wanted to, it would have been 60 mins per hour but the number of trains is limited by the need to allow road traffic to cross, so removing it reduces congestions by allowing higher traffic volumes AND allows more trains as they don't have to worry about crossing traffic.
Well, if by "demand" the amount of people wanting to use the service that's mostly numbers that can't be changed.
Firstly 'Demand' is to travel, what mode they travel will depend on need and circumstance, that's why increasing road capacity to lower congestion can pull travelers off trains and onto the road, and why improving rail or even location specific stuff like ferry services can pull travelers out of cars and onto PT, most people don't give a fuck about what specific mode they get to their destination, just what they need to get where they are going That is why urbanists and grifters arguing about only trains or only roads are fucking retarded. It's why 'induced demand' is a fucking meme because it's actually Unmet demand that extra lanes can now cater for.

And on people wanting to use a service fucking Amtrack in the states is proving that wrong right now the Borealis has only been around for a year, hit over 100k passengers in 6 months, and this year was crowing about hitting 250k passengers by July, and lets face it the USA passenger rail is pretty mid at best by most standards, and they still pulled those numbers.
All those passengers trips were either unmet demand or converted from other options like roads, or air, meaning there is now more capacity in those modes to satisfy demand with existing infrastructure.
But the cars will show up anyway and cram onto narrow highways if it's a growing city (I think I've brought up Austin before) and just make traffic worse. Strictly on freeways and city growth, cars represent population, not how much the highway holds. They don't materialize out of nowhere, and can either cram onto increasingly congested freeways or not.
I know this may come as a shock, but people may choose to not travel, amazing I know! People can look at a congested traffic report and decide 'nah fuck it, I can't be bothered with traffic' cars on the road represent people who either have to travel or decided it's worth the price to deal with the congestion, not fucking population, people don't drive around randomly like NPC's in peak hour, they drive to fucking get somewhere, it's why people will wait at work or at a wherever they are for the worst of the peak hour traffic to subside.
Suburban areas dislike public transit because the taxes are drawn from the entire metro area and the suburbs pay into it but barely see any results. Urbanists hate it because they have to route mass transit all the way out to suburbs where it does less good (and the suburban board members will often throw a monkey wrench in decisions) but while suburbs can survive without Greater Area Mass Transit or whatever it's called, the transit authority can't survive without it.
There is this amazing place called 'the rest of the world' that doesn't use the retarded funding and governance model the USA does, and in fact this place has suburbs that are Complaining that they don't have enough Public Transport options and they want better PT, because the regular train service(because it's a regional service) can't handle the number of people who want to use it, and the roads are congested.
It's not "right-wing grifting" to throw cold water on mass transit and urbanism and saying that "both are bad" is some weasel pseudo-centrist move
Oh, you're a retard, explains a lot, saying "different transport options have different positives and negatives and so should be decided on based on those positives and negatives and not retarded politic views that ignore reality' is not 'bOtH aRe BaD hUr DuH' but if you weren't a retard you would have figured that out, hell even a daily rake article was posted further back in the thread if you desperately need a 'right wing' article, even has 'soyboy' in the title, careful tho it has some dangerous ideas like 'car drivers should want roads and PT to be good, and PT users should want roads and PT to be good because that makes both options better'

You do you though I guess.

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The Japs are playing with Maglev's again and urbanists not beating the allegation they are alcoholic's
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Also is it just me or are the Urbanists/YIMBY types posting less slop that's funny and getting more people calling them out, not sure if it's just a feed algo thing, but I'm seeing less full throat retarded posts and more mildly retarded ones that have a bunch of comments calling them out.
AmericanFatster's post are fairly milqtoast when I look, I don't really see anything from NotJustCucks since he's descended into his hugbox, and I haven't come across any Yimby/Urbanist that are particularly funny lately.
 
Examples of what? that local circumstances determine what is the best solution? It's literally the thing you are complaining about in that sentence...
I'm talking specific cities where that is the case. Where are we talking about, and what makes it different?

Firstly 'Demand' is to travel, what mode they travel will depend on need and circumstance, that's why increasing road capacity to lower congestion can pull travelers off trains and onto the road, and why improving rail or even location specific stuff like ferry services can pull travelers out of cars and onto PT, most people don't give a fuck about what specific mode they get to their destination, just what they need to get where they are going That is why urbanists and grifters arguing about only trains or only roads are fucking retarded. It's why 'induced demand' is a fucking meme because it's actually Unmet demand that extra lanes can now cater for.

And on people wanting to use a service fucking Amtrack in the states is proving that wrong right now the Borealis has only been around for a year, hit over 100k passengers in 6 months, and this year was crowing about hitting 250k passengers by July, and lets face it the USA passenger rail is pretty mid at best by most standards, and they still pulled those numbers.
All those passengers trips were either unmet demand or converted from other options like roads, or air, meaning there is now more capacity in those modes to satisfy demand with existing infrastructure.
People choose what mode of transportation they want based on speed and comfort, and usually that is the private automobile (for short range trips, and airplanes for everything else). There's more travel on mass transit in poorer countries, but that isn't necessarily because of wealth, that's just what they have. Even in poorer nations that have lower car ownership numbers, the highways are still underbuilt for what they are.

I know this may come as a shock, but people may choose to not travel, amazing I know! People can look at a congested traffic report and decide 'nah fuck it, I can't be bothered with traffic' cars on the road represent people who either have to travel or decided it's worth the price to deal with the congestion, not fucking population, people don't drive around randomly like NPC's in peak hour, they drive to fucking get somewhere, it's why people will wait at work or at a wherever they are for the worst of the peak hour traffic to subside.
Assuming the population actually works, total volume is a measure of population. (If a city's population is mostly invalids, bums, and children, probably not). Urbanists believe that volume is a measure of capacity. There probably is a tiny level of discretionary travel there (especially when it comes to WFH jobs), but even changing a schedule is still going to contribute to volume and congestion.

There is this amazing place called 'the rest of the world' that doesn't use the retarded funding and governance model the USA does, and in fact this place has suburbs that are Complaining that they don't have enough Public Transport options and they want better PT, because the regular train service(because it's a regional service) can't handle the number of people who want to use it, and the roads are congested.
I know there are crazy people who want you dead just for being on this site and thus why you might be understandably cagey about where you live, but vague "my city/my country" is used by urbanists specifically because they can't be called out for bullshit. If you don't want to use your city specifically pick another one that proves your point.

Oh, you're a retard, explains a lot, saying "different transport options have different positives and negatives and so should be decided on based on those positives and negatives and not retarded politic views that ignore reality' is not 'bOtH aRe BaD hUr DuH' but if you weren't a retard you would have figured that out, hell even a daily rake article was posted further back in the thread if you desperately need a 'right wing' article, even has 'soyboy' in the title, careful tho it has some dangerous ideas like 'car drivers should want roads and PT to be good, and PT users should want roads and PT to be good because that makes both options better'
Politics is based on how you see the world and how you believe it should be operated. It's not "right-wing" to criticize mass transit, especially since so much of traded is urbanists is simply not true. Not to mention the fact that even in the "liberal" cities privately-owned vehicles is overwhelmingly is how people commute. Public transit can get pushed through on the ballot on many cities through the gibs class and the wealthy who hope that it would take the poors off the road (but never deign to take it themselves).
 
People choose what mode of transportation they want based on speed and comfort, and usually that is the private automobile (for short range trips, and airplanes for everything else).
There's also cost. At least in the US, private automobiles are typically overall a better value for money, especially if you need the ability to be flexible with your schedule.

I road trip pretty much everywhere I go because I like already having a car when I reach my destination and not being limited by bus/train schedules and routes while I'm there.
 
I really do think the alcoholic argument is one of the best to make in favor of urbanist city planning/public transit(which itself isn't inherently *mass* transit), it is a genuine problem to go out and drink if you live somewhere with car dependent infrastructure and refuse to get overcharged for transportation which leads to many drinkers becoming isolated alcoholics, likewise having a DUI on your record carries life ruining penalties that make it nearly impossible to survive but they're too far left to acknowledge that we don't have a civilization that's safe enough to be in public let alone one that's safe enough to be publicly intoxicated anymore.

The most damning thing against them other than their attitude is their complete disregard for logistics and labor. I would actually have more respect for these urbanist types if they were advocating for either a hyper capitalist or communist slave dystopia where housing and amenities are provided entirely based on employer, Get out of your company/state bed in your company/state pod, walk down a couple of miles of hallway to grab your morning rations before walking another couple miles to get to the shuttle that takes you to the mines/megafactory/whatever. At least that would take their efficiency philosophy to it's logical end point, ensure short transit times because of everything being scheduled by a single central authority(thus able to have small transport shuttles running frequently by having work hours designed to maximize usage of logistical assets) food could be delivered to a central eating point rather than scattered "bodegas" and likely held to a slightly higher standard due to the potential damage that could be caused to productivity in the event of mass food poisoning crippling or killing a notable portion of the workforce. You could even present it in a way that's less "coffin sized pods" and more "a free room and all your needs taken care of just for being a functioning member of society".

Not saying things would work out that way but at least you could design a system that would function on paper along with a theoretical way of getting it constructed(making a factory with a workers barracks, communal showers, and a ration distributor on some undeveloped land away from the cities sounds a lot more feasible than converting legacy cities and suburbs into their gay hippie fantasy land where everything works based on bikes and trains(and reinventing the car).
 
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