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[Eventide]

Transplant New Yorkers: We don't shop at chains like Walgreens or Panera Bread like you suburban rubes, instead we patronize local businesses like Duane Reade and Pret a Manger.

This is funny 'cause Duane Reade got taken over by Walgreens in the 2010's & all Duane Reade's were transitioned into Walgreens

The practical limit is even further down the "tech tree" - after all, didn't we as a species once just sleep outdoors? Do you NEED a bed? Do you NEED a roof? What more do you need than just a tent? Do you NEED even that if you can just find a tree to nap under!? What do you do in winter? Pft! Migrate to a warmer, drier climate, do you NEED to live HERE for some reason?!

Like I've said before on this thread - I'll never understand if R/FuckCars folks want me to migrate to a city & live in an overpriced bughive apartment, or return to ancient ways & live in a tipi/use my horse as my primary mode of transportation. They generally seem to hate horsetrail riders (how dare they have to yield their bikes to horses!) but one of their main arguments against cars if that they're an affront to nature. Is riding a horse not the most natural mode of known transportation?

 

[quaawaa]

This is funny 'cause Duane Reade got taken over by Walgreens in the 2010's & all Duane Reade's were transitioned into Walgreens

That's the joke. Duane Reade is Walgreens, just with everything locked up. Pret a Manger is a popular lunch spot for office workers in NYC, but they’re a massive chain in the UK that just doesn’t have many American locations outside of NYC.

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

Is riding a horse not the most natural mode of known transportation?

A horse is a muscle- powered vehicle, after all. Like a bike

 

[Dimension Sniper]

A horse is a muscle- powered vehicle, after all. Like a bike

But see they hate horses because horses require a lot of land, water, and forage (which also requires land to grow) to maintain. Any livestock are a waste of resources to urbanites. All of those pastures need to be filled up with low income housing, sketchy corner stores, and a bunch of small businesses that will quickly close due to crime.

 

[Markass the Worst]

I have never seen urbanists mention horses. If they did, it's hard to avoid the fact that horses were the dominant form of transportation before cars, and that shatters their retarded "streets were for pedestrians before cars invaded" narrative.

 

[Thiletonomics]

But see they hate horses because horses require a lot of land, water, and forage (which also requires land to grow) to maintain. Any livestock are a waste of resources to urbanites. All of those pastures need to be filled up with low income housing, sketchy corner stores, and a bunch of small businesses that will quickly close due to crime.

Would bugs be considered the livestock that they despite too? Or would they be okay with bug farms to mass produce bugfood for the Elites to forcefully feed these urbanites and everyone else?

 

[Dimension Sniper]

Would bugs be considered the livestock that they despite too? Or would they be okay with bug farms to mass produce bugfood for the Elites to forcefully feed these urbanites and everyone else?

Bugs are easy, all you need is a plastic tote set up in a closet somewhere. Most commercial cricket farms are just entire rooms of plastic totes. Very space- and resource-efficient.

 

[Jotch]

The flat panels and windows are very useful for both radar crossection and installing armor plates and ballistic glass.

 

[Eventide]

I have never seen urbanists mention horses. If they did, it's hard to avoid the fact that horses were the dominant form of transportation before cars, and that shatters their retarded "streets were for pedestrians before cars invaded" narrative.

They bring them up - but only when they complain about cyclists being shafted by "carbrained" public officials for only opening mixed use trails that discriminate against cyclists (since they have to yield to hikers & horses).

Although they mostly complain about hikers/pedestrians (here's an especially egregious example)

Pedestrians can walk as slow as they want, since cyclists are obligated to yield to them. Not that cyclists follow said rule (...than make threads pondering why everyone seems to genuinely hate cyclists).

 

[TowinKarz]

This is funny 'cause Duane Reade got taken over by Walgreens in the 2010's & all Duane Reade's were transitioned into Walgreens


Like I've said before on this thread - I'll never understand if R/FuckCars folks want me to migrate to a city & live in an overpriced bughive apartment, or return to ancient ways & live in a tipi/use my horse as my primary mode of transportation. They generally seem to hate horsetrail riders (how dare they have to yield their bikes to horses!) but one of their main arguments against cars if that they're an affront to nature. Is riding a horse not the most natural mode of known transportation?

Go far enough down the socialist/leftist/prog rabbit hole and you will actually find people against the concept of domestication and animal husbandry because we never got "consent".

 

[mold]

They do, they just use cars. The only people surprised by this are urbanists, who live in a fantasy world where bikes and transit are the solution to everything, when they aren't.

this is because they are hopeless hicks who have never left the states

 

[BulkForceFive]

Also, the third issue of a "A Human-Scaled Journey?" for your reading pleasure...

oh man I forgot to bring up this stupid complaint about bike maintenance earlier. IT IS VERY FUCKING EASY THERE IS NO EXCUSE. You can do it in an apartment and any special tools you need pale in comparison to automotive tools. This broad really is a useless womanchild if she complains about needing to shove her whole ass bike into a car because she can't figure out how to install new headset bearings or a new derailleur or run a brake cable.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

OP, who is an Indian troon, hates the truck, but the Finns in the pictures seem to like it.

Because you said it was a jeet troon, I initially read the image as "I am 2 months in and shit myself. Hrt has helped a lot." I only wondered why anyone would ever admit something like that because as far as my brain was concerned it otherwise checked out.

I have never seen urbanists mention horses. If they did, it's hard to avoid the fact that horses were the dominant form of transportation before cars, and that shatters their retarded "streets were for pedestrians before cars invaded" narrative.

In the old world, roads were made for horse drawn carts. Humans are fine walking on dirt paths and have no need for anything else. The capital investment in roads for foot traffic doesn't make sense. The new world wasn't that different. The Aztecs stuck to footpaths never building roads in their empire and Mayan sacbeob are thought to have been constructed for religious reasons more than anything else though they're the closest to what might be considered a road. The Inca carved their road network out of the mountain. It's still essentially a footpath and not something that would function as a road as Spanish conquistadors discovered when they tried to use the roads with their carts and found it unsuitable for such. The Inca never developed the wheel.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Because you said it was a jeet troon, I initially read the image as "I am 2 months in and shit myself. Hrt has helped a lot." I only wondered why anyone would ever admit something like that because as far as my brain was concerned it otherwise checked out.

Little did people know that Chris-chan openly admitting to shitting himself would only be the beginning of more copycats....

 

[Eventide]

Go far enough down the socialist/leftist/prog rabbit hole and you will actually find people against the concept of domestication and animal husbandry because we never got "consent".

Yeah, found quite a bit of that on R/FuckCars (from a post about dedicated horse lanes):

Speaking as an Okie (one of the few places in the US with wild mustangs still roaming about) if your average stable kept horse was let loose to roam the plains, it'd drop dead. That'd be like letting a pack of golden retrievers loose in the forest & expecting them to act like a wolves. Some might survive, but the vast majority of them will die. I own Arabians - their prissy spoiled colic prone butts would probably off themselves the moment they figured out they were abandoned & left to the elements (mind you, they're smart - they'd figure it out quickly). "No more air conditioned stabled? No more specialty grass feed or treats? Yeah, no - see you in the next life bye bye".

TLDR, anyone who thinks horse ownership is cruel/horseback riding is cruel, is retarded (and/or pro horse eugenics?)

 

[jje100010001]

Reminder for the ‘Build transit and let them come crowd’ that the discretionary rider is what really drives down car modal use and they should be prioritized for a good experience.

Arguably any form of transit that doesn’t have under-15 min frequencies is inevitably a humiliation ritual especially combined with transfers, because you will need to time everything around catching the bus (and missing it results in wasted time and a sense of powerlessness).

If your transit system cannot deliver on that frequency and reliability, and is decrepit and full of criminals/the homeless, then the discretionary rider will eventually switch to vehicular use instead to avoid disorder (again everything in modern North America is centered around paying more to escape disorder).

https://x.com/LoganDobson/status/1962163719808438500

 

[Xarpho's Return]

That's the joke. Duane Reade is Walgreens, just with everything locked up. Pret a Manger is a popular lunch spot for office workers in NYC, but they’re a massive chain in the UK that just doesn’t have many American locations outside of NYC.

Pret a Manger is still part of a big brand chain and even in the 2000s McDonald's owned around a third of it. Duane Reade WAS independent until 2010...around the time the short-lived 1990s/2000s golden age began to fade. (Not sure when it ended but it was before 2020).

On a side note, 9/11 was right in the middle of this "golden age" and no one talked about bodegas back then.

 

[TowinKarz]

oh man I forgot to bring up this stupid complaint about bike maintenance earlier. IT IS VERY FUCKING EASY THERE IS NO EXCUSE. You can do it in an apartment and any special tools you need pale in comparison to automotive tools. This broad really is a useless womanchild if she complains about needing to shove her whole ass bike into a car because she can't figure out how to install new headset bearings or a new derailleur or run a brake cable.

Roadside repairs are a thing almost any cyclist should know how to do, even the untrained have had to reset a slipped chain or maybe even patch an innertube at least once.

Reminder for the ‘Build transit and let them come crowd’ that the discretionary rider is what really drives down car modal use and they should be prioritized for a good experience.

Arguably any form of transit that doesn’t have under-15 min frequencies is inevitably a humiliation ritual especially combined with transfers, because you will need to time everything around catching the bus (and missing it results in wasted time and a sense of powerlessness).

If your transit system cannot deliver on that frequency and reliability, and is decrepit and full of criminals/the homeless, then the discretionary rider will eventually switch to vehicular use instead to avoid disorder (again everything in modern North America is centered around paying more to escape disorder).

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https://x.com/LoganDobson/status/1962163719808438500

I wanna know where they came up with that number, it's so out-of-whack it can' be right.... ten one-thousandths of one percent?!

If that math is right/ That means if light rail costs $5,000 per whatever unit of movement? Then the same movement by a bus would only cost $30.

Maybe in terms of initial investment of building the infrastructure... laying track is magnitudes more than painting a few bus symbols on an existing road

But, you don't rebuild the rails every single day...... the ongoing maintenance costs day-to-day can't be THAT or else every city in the world would've scrapped their non-bus public transit years ago and just run busses on those right of ways.

 

[Baraka Obama]

one of their main arguments against cars if that they're an affront to nature

Over the years I've developed a specific feeling on what is an affront to nature - buildings taller than a tree. Tall buildings feel very non-human scale.

 

[quaawaa]

If your transit system cannot deliver on that frequency and reliability, and is decrepit and full of criminals/the homeless, then the discretionary rider will eventually switch to vehicular use instead to avoid disorder (again everything in modern North America is centered around paying more to escape disorder).

That’s not true and I see this opinion repeated by naive online young childless right-wingers who don’t realize that it’s a left-wing talking point.

Making transit super frequent and safe will not create ridership because even the best systems are slower than driving due to their need to stop frequently and because they don’t go directly to your destination. Many cities have wasted billions building transit systems that very few people use, especially outside of rush hour.

People actually like driving and large houses, and they don’t like them because they hate crime, though that is a nice benefit. No one was “forced” to live in a low density area (as the White flight areas would have been built densely if that’s what people wanted) and cities that had zero black migration still developed in a low density pattern as soon as technology allowed.

The only reason why most people ride transit is because they can’t afford a car. Just look at what the rich do in literally every city in the world: even in safe cities like Tokyo with world-class transit systems, they still live in houses and drive.

Even rich URBANISTS don’t practice what they preach. Jane Jacobs, an early anti-highway activist who coined the phrases “missing-middle housing” and “build cities for people not cars”, lived in a single family house in Toronto. Zohran Mamdani, NYC’s urbanist mayoral candidate, is chauffeured around in a full-size SUV. We all know that Jason has a car and lives in one of the few neighborhoods in Amsterdam with single-family homes, though it’s not confirmed that he lives in one. That crazy American Fucker Threads Bluesky guy drives is driven by his wife whenever he’s not taking photos with his cargo bike.

Urbanists deep down know that it’s not enough to make transit better to get people to use it, you also have to make driving worse, which is why they advocate for road diets and parking bans.