The Great Emancipation of Alberta - Let's discuss the future departure of Alberta et all

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Betonhaus powiedział(a):
If Alberta goes it alone it will be a country called Alberta, but what if BC and Saskatchewan join, what should be the name of the new union? Acadia? Greater Canada?
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Acadia was the name of the original French colony that covered the Maritime provinces and claimed southwestward to the Kennebec River in Maine, so it would make more sense over there - even then "Acadians" IE the OG French colonists of the region only really exist in numbers in the northern third of New Brunswick nowadays, kicked out of the rest in the Great Upheaval to make way for Yankee then Loyalist colonists, and so makes as much sense as renaming New York state/city back to New Netherland/New Amsterdam by now.

The only unified name that involved the Prairie Provinces was the North-Western Territory, named after the name of the trading company that formally claimed the area, and it didn't include BC, which was called by Britain the Columbia Department (a fur-trading region controlled by the Hudson Bay Company) and a claimed part of the Oregon Country by America.

Now one could really get the chance to give the previously not-really unified (outside being part of the British Empire then Canada) area of BC and the Prairie Provinces their own fresh new name as a collective.
 
Mayor Cody Travers powiedział(a):
Acadia was the name of the original French colony that covered the Maritime provinces and claimed southwestward to the Kennebec River in Maine, so it would make more sense over there - even then "Acadians" IE the OG French colonists of the region only really exist in numbers in the northern third of New Brunswick nowadays, kicked out of the rest in the Great Upheaval to make way for Yankee then Loyalist colonists, and so makes as much sense as renaming New York state/city back to New Netherland/New Amsterdam by now.

The only unified name that involved the Prairie Provinces was the North-Western Territory, named after the name of the trading company that formally claimed the area, and it didn't include BC, which was called by Britain the Columbia Department (a fur-trading region controlled by the Hudson Bay Company) and a claimed part of the Oregon Country by America.

Now one could really get the chance to give the previously not-really unified (outside being part of the British Empire then Canada) area of BC and the Prairie Provinces their own fresh new name as a collective.
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No fucking french. Maybe The Rocky Mountain Union. Or maybe Hudson so we can claim the bay as ours.
 
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Danielle Smith has announced a special address to the province at 3pm tonight, being livesrreames on Facebook and X and so on.
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I am taking my ass to Alberta and rent a small flat there to register myself there as a resident before the vote....

I can't leave Ontario until it's finalized. Still got a 6 figure job that I can't leave behind....
 
I dont think Alberta will leave, Danielle is just going to use this to leverage a better deal for us, which I'm also fine with. I just recently moved from small town rural Alberta to one of the City's and the number of Jeets and blacks is insane compared to even just a decade ago, and there are enough of them to seriously influence the vote now, and i honestly don't know how they would vote in the referendum. If the Bloc Quebecois have been talking about separation for decades and we are just getting there now i don't see how we can pull it off.
And separation would have to by necessity mean joining the united states, to think that Alberta could be a completely landlocked country all on its own is :optimistic:
 
Plasticise powiedział(a):
I dont think Alberta will leave, Danielle is just going to use this to leverage a better deal for us, which I'm also fine with. I just recently moved from small town rural Alberta to one of the City's and the number of Jeets and blacks is insane compared to even just a decade ago, and there are enough of them to seriously influence the vote now, and i honestly don't know how they would vote in the referendum. If the Bloc Quebecois have been talking about separation for decades and we are just getting there now i don't see how we can pull it off.
And separation would have to by necessity mean joining the united states, to think that Alberta could be a completely landlocked country all on its own is :optimistic:
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If she's doing it to leverage a better deal she's an idiot. The rest of Canada is convinced that they are better off without us and we don't have the voting block needed to make our voices heard.
 
I wish Alberta and it's people the best of luck in their efforts to separate from the gayest nation in existence.
 
If alberta's big thing to separate over is oil and gas money, then how will they actually export any of it being landlocked and next to a country that itself produces tons of oil and gas?
 
VIPPER? powiedział(a):
If alberta's big thing to separate over is oil and gas money, then how will they actually export any of it being landlocked and next to a country that itself produces tons of oil and gas?
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generally the expectation is a good trade agreement with the US, with possibly a right of transit through BC. But I'll admit those are a lot more complicated, and why I considered the separation thing to be a really stupid idea when i first heard of it. I still think it's risky, but the benefits make it worth it.
 
Betonhaus powiedział(a):
generally the expectation is a good trade agreement with the US, with possibly a right of transit through BC. But I'll admit those are a lot more complicated, and why I considered the separation thing to be a really stupid idea when i first heard of it. I still think it's risky, but the benefits make it worth it.
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I know Alberta has had a minor separatist movement for fucking ages (so has BC fwiw) but harping on it now of all times in history is fucktarded. Their plan is to have a pipeline through BC, who are historically a bunch of snot-nosed hippies opposed to that kind of thing and are backed by abbos with giggle shoelaced SKS's who just hate any wypipo making money, or they want to get a favourable trade deal with the United States who have just imposed massive tariffs on literally everyone, specifically trying to sell them a good that they make absolute fucktons of and have a recent history of conducting sketchy peacekeeping operations bombing the everliving fuck out of oil-producing nations to keep prices low?

Even if it wouldn't result in a huge violent crisis, their chief complaint is that they pay for everyone else and get nothing back. So their solution is to separate and get into probably predatory agreements to transport goods through a foreign nation that will be guaranteed to be at least politically/economically hostile, or sell it to a country that is currently actively hostile to the country you're trying to leave for the exact thing you want to exploit when you leave it?

That's even before minor stuff like them not having an existing provincial police/criminal intelligence service, water extraction/management is a long-standing issue, they share power generation with their neighbors, having the worst abbos ever who definitely won't start an insurgency, etc.
 
Anachronistic2 powiedział(a):
So the separatists want Alberta to be its own country but also want to keep their Canadian passports and their Pension Plan?

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that sounds like classic CBC nonsense, part of the plan literally was to make a new provincial pension plan. Unless they're talking about having Canada pay out the part Albertans contributed to transfer to the APP, but that's plainly obvious.

passports will be a bit more tricky, however. It might take a while for an Albertan passport to be accepted by the same countries that the Canadian passport is.
 
Anachronistic2 powiedział(a):
So the separatists want Alberta to be its own country but also want to keep their Canadian passports and their Pension Plan?
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It's basically the strategy the PQ pulled backed during Quebec's last independence referendum - i.e. promise the impossible to get the desired result before reigning in expectations during the later negotiations. Nevertheless Albertans retaining a Canadian passport isn't that insane an idea, particularly given how many residents were born outside the province. Not to mention there's no way Ottawa would want to touch on birthright citizenship in such a scenario.

Bigger ehh is the push to hold the vote this year. Unless Carney really double downs on Trudeau's resource policies over the summer it's hard seeing how the organizers expect to grow support that quickly. 2026 gives more time for the Libs to do what they do best and tighten up the secession argument.
 
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