George RR Martin, his fanboys, and former fanbase

[Laburnum]

Honestly, given the amount of things any even half-decent pedant could find issue with in ASoIaF, it's surprising there aren't more people openly shitting on Martin's work. Then again, Aragorn's tax policy...

 

[TheHarbinger]

it's surprising there aren't more people openly shitting on Martin's work.

ASOIAF and GOT are probably two of the most criticized media properties in history. For the procrastination and lack of planning alone it probably has more media mentions and press than nearly any other novel or television show. And the ending of the show has a legendary status amongst television fans, fantasy fans, nerds, authors, publishers, television producers and writers, and actors and actresses as being one of the all time worst. But we're years away from the HBO show ending with no future main series books in sight and people are getting indifferent to the series and starting to just abandon caring.

We're at the point where everyone is just fatigued with the series. The spinoffs are running out of steam. Online discourse about the novels has basically exhausted every possible potential ending to the series (when someone else writes it after GRRM is gone). The anticipation for GRRM finishing the novels is at a low point because we've seen his passion cease to exist and we've already witnessed the horrendously an hilariously bad ending.

It's gotten to the point where all of the criticism to ASOIAF has concluded because there is nothing left to say. And GRRM knows that if he releases another dud of a novel that the criticism will ramp up into the stratosphere. Which is yet another reason he likely isn't writing anymore.

Then again, Aragorn's tax policy...

GRRM's smugness when spewing that line plus his "don't pull a Lost with my ending" will haunt him forever.

 

[no ragrets]

tbh that raises more questions than it answers, but OMG THE DORNISH ARE SLUTS AND MANWHORES, THE SUPER CURVY PURE SEX PRINCESS OF DORNE FUCKS ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY AND IT'S SO HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. SO DOES HER UNCLE AND HIS GIRLFRIEND, TOGETHER, SO HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. INCEST IS LITERALLY EVERYWHERE SO HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. TBF 99% OF ALL THE CHARACTERS EVEN THAT RANDOM PEASANT FROM WHEREVERTHEFUCKSBRIDGE ARE GLUTTON SEX GOBLIN MASS MURDERING TORTURERS ALL DAY EVERY DAY SO. FUCKIN. HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. SIX GORILLION COURSES AT A FEAST EACH CONTAINING 37 MAJOR INGREDIENTS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

This is literally the books. That's it. And i'm off my copium and pretending they're good literature, will wrap up nicely (as if they'll ever be finished) and asoiaf will be a masterpiece. That grandpa was jacking off over child brides (fire & blood confirmed that). These books had potential but they're never getting finished because grrm wrote himself into a corner with all the side characters and plots that he can't handle.

 

[draggs]

Then again, Aragorn's tax policy...

Maybe gurrm was just being cheeky since Westeros doesn't have a tax policy either, the Iron Throne is constantly imposing new taxes and rescinding others and doing all kinds of financial fucky wuckys. Admittedly most of that is Littlefinger enriching himself and causing general chaos to advance his own plans but still

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Tolkien even acknowledged that potatoes were a bit of an anachronism, but the fact that it clearly helped solidify the Hobbits' status as Englishmen means that it was easy to ignore the “goof.” Unfortunately, the fact that Martin feels more focused on writing food porn and porn-porn than explaining why things happen makes his failings more noticeable.

Reminds me my friend getting annoyed there were cherry tomatoes in the films. Though it's a fantasy so are potatoes even anachronism? Even if the idea is that the story is set in the far past it's not like a lot of vegetables will be the same anyways.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Reminds me my friend getting annoyed there were cherry tomatoes in the films. Though it's a fantasy so are potatoes even anachronism? Even if the idea is that the story is set in the far past it's not like a lot of vegetables will be the same anyways.

It's fantasy, so anything goes.

But, potatoes can't grow during cold weather, so there can't be potatoes up in the North as GoT tried to imply.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

It's fantasy, so anything goes.

But, potatoes can't grow during cold weather, so there can't be potatoes up in the North as GoT tried to imply.

Oh ?

 

[Agarathium1066]

Reminds me my friend getting annoyed there were cherry tomatoes in the films. Though it's a fantasy so are potatoes even anachronism? Even if the idea is that the story is set in the far past it's not like a lot of vegetables will be the same anyways.

Seems like one of those things where you could easily point out its before the continents even shifted into their eventual position, plants could have diverged. I doubt it would help though when a sperg starts focusing on something its not about logic.

 

[nikma]

Is he dead ?

 

[Laburnum]

I saw recently that Martin has been kvetching about the Winds of Winter again:

(L/A)

Some choice quotes:






It's nothing he hasn't said before and nothing really new to anyone, but I thought it was funny. I know that he's very, very fat but surely he must have known when he started on TWoW that he shouldn't bite of more than he can chew. It's hardly his first rodeo after all.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

To be fair, he's right and it's funny when people keep asking the same. "Why is he breathing? Why isn't he writing instead?"

 

[Laburnum]

To be fair, he's right and it's funny when people keep asking the same. "Why is he breathing? Why isn't he writing instead?"

I can see your point, but given the popularity the series had reached by the time he released Dance he could hardly have been ignorant of the expectations he'd be working with going forward. In any other context his other projects like the shops, direwolves etc. would be seen as probably what they genuinely are; the hobbies and passion projects of a man in the twilight of his life with the means to enjoy them.

I think he's made a rod for his own back with how mealy mouthed about finishing the book he's been over the past decade plus.

 

[Nobunaga]

He could have just given someone he liked his notes, tell him to write a few chapters to test the waters and go from there, but i guess fat fuck is too busy jerking to big tits and discussing incest rape with the japs to give a fuck.

 

[Farsided]

It's not like I work in the bookstore you know.
Well you don't seem to work at all George, that's the crux of it all.

So glad I never got into that series, it must suck balls to have started, being invested in it and having this retard dragging his feet because fame got to his head.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

To be fair, he's right and it's funny when people keep asking the same. "Why is he breathing? Why isn't he writing instead?"

No, he isn't. People are asking the same because they have been waiting for 13 years.

Also Grrm said this:

“I tell you this,” Martin wrote. “If I don’t have THE WINDS OF WINTER in hand when I arrive in New Zealand for worldcon, you have here my formal written permission to imprison me in a small cabin on White Island, overlooking that lake of sulfuric acid, until I’m done. Just so long as the acrid fumes do not screw up my old DOS word processor, I’ll be fine.”

https://uproxx.com/hitfix/george-rr-martin-winds-of-winter-imprison-worldcon/

That was 6 years ago. But sure blame the customers for asking why he isn't delivering the product he promised.

 

[mindlessobserver]

It's not like I work in the bookstore you know.
Well you don't seem to work at all George, that's the crux of it all.

So glad I never got into that series, it must suck balls to have started, being invested in it and having this retard dragging his feet because fame got to his head.

Honestly I've completely forgotten most of it other then the major story beats. I was mildly interested in Aria becoming a death priestess (Which the show borked miserably), while Jamie Lannister's redemption arc with Gorloch the Annihilator as his love quest (forget her name) was also mildly interesting.

Those are the only unfinished plot threads I really cared to see develop. But knowing GRRM it would probably be "what a twist! Jamie will kill Gorloch to get back together with Cercei, while Aria won't become a fully enrobed Death Priestess because fuck religion, rules, hierarchy and shit. I am Boomer, hear my kvetch about Dad!"

Honestly its too late for him to finish the story. This sort of Boomer "Fuck Society, Rules and Shit" subversion has stopped being avant gard and has transitioned into pure pedantry. Oh, tell us ANOTHER story about how society sucks. We sure haven't read that before! God I cannot wait for the Boomers to all die. I've never understood how the most privliged generation in history gets off on castigating how terrible society is. Heinlein was absolutely correct about these children. He had nothing but disdain for the young Boomers back in the 60's and 70's. They were given everything for free, and because they were given it for free they did not value it at all.

Listening to GRRM whine about how "hard" it is to do his "job" (as if Art is a Job, fuck you GRRM) is insufferable. Just speaks to the pure Boomer mindset. They are going to die as they lived. Children.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Honestly I've completely forgotten most of it other then the major story beats.

This is why the last seasons of Game of Thrones and so far House of the Dragon are so simplified and direct. GRRM's ASOIAF world is one big long food platter and orgy of distraction from any actual plot. Five books and the Others are practically phantoms. The last time I read the main book series I was shocked at how few chapters are actually relevant to the ending that was presented with the HBO show. You could honestly excise half of the first five books and lose nothing.

You forget the main story beats because none of them are really well written nor are they memorable. The characters barely matter. And in the long run almost any character who has a storyline that doesn't interact with the Others seems insignificant if not entirely pointless. The amount of chapters of Brienne or Tyrion wandering. Sansa watching people at the royal court. Quentin traveling across the sea. Victarion and Damphair. Princess in the tower. They go nowhere.

Imagine if more than half of the chapters in LOTR dealt with food platters at the Green Dragon Inn or the orgy dens in Underhill.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Imagine if more than half of the chapters in LOTR dealt with food platters at the Green Dragon Inn or the orgy dens in Underhill.

I wish Tolkien had spend more time writing about Hobbit culture tho. I love the first few chapters of the Fellowship of the Ring because it's written so entertainingly. Grrm could never write that good.

 

[FatR]

(as if Art is a Job, fuck you GRRM)

Well, it is, if you plan to earn any money from it. And for the overwhelming majority of creators it is a hard, exhausting job. Consider the fact that the typical successful professional writer with world name writes 2+ novels per year on average for decades. The bare minimum for someone who actually depends on writing to pay bills is a novel per year aiming at his target audience with laser precision (if you want to write something different, too bad, find some spare time for it). Exceptions can be counted on one hand in the whole world, on two hands at most. What makes me mad about Martin is that he is one of the exceptions. He drew that lucky ticket that allows a person to write whatever he wants at whatever pace he wants. And he decided to write nothing.

 

[Absolutego]

I wish Tolkien had spend more time writing about Hobbit culture tho. I love the first few chapters of the Fellowship of the Ring because it's written so entertainingly. Grrm could never write that good.

Read up on Oxfordshire right before the invention of the Watt steam engine and you basically have hobbit culture.