US New US childhood obesity guidelines criticised by families - Some families worry that new guidelines from US paediatricians prioritise surgery and intensive therapy.


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Jaelynn Perez (left) and her mother, Tracy Sherman

In the US, new guidelines on how paediatricians should treat childhood obesity have been met with some criticism.

The American Academy of Paediatrics has recommended intensive therapy for children as young as six and weight loss drugs and surgery for those in their early teens.

But some fear this approach will come at the expense of a healthy and active lifestyle.

One child in five is obese in the US.

Doctors say early treatment is needed to prevent lifelong conditions, such as diabetes.

I meet Tracy and her 14-year-old daughter, Jaelynn, in a suburb of Washington. They live in a residential complex surrounded by highways and a few patches of green grass.

Tracy is upset - she's just received the news that Jaelynn's school is getting rid of the Physical Education class and replacing it with a health course taught in the classroom.

She's worried because her daughter already doesn't get much chance to move and socialise with her classmates. She thinks the new class will make it even more difficult.

Jaelynn tells me that last year she enrolled in a summer camp organised by the YMCA. She would go on field trips during the day and spend plenty of time outside.

"It was really fun," she says. "I felt better, I felt healthier, and I loved making friends."

Jaelynn has suffered from kidney disease since she was a child, and her being overweight negatively impacts her condition. But her mum says during the summer things started to improve.

"She lost twelve pounds in three months," Tracy says. "Her nephrologist was really impressed that she could lose so much so quickly. Her health improved and her confidence as well."

This change, Tracy tells me, showed her how important it was for her daughter to do activities outside.

For years, doctors have promoted a healthy lifestyle as the best way to fight childhood obesity. But in recent weeks the debate over this issue has reignited, as the American Academy of Paediatrics issued new guidelines for the first time in 15 years.

They say that eating well and exercising is not always enough.

"Medical treatment and prevention need to go hand in hand," says Dr Nazrat Mirza, one of the authors of the guidelines.

"Obesity is a chronic medical condition and in addition to healthy lifestyle changes, we have shown that medication works, and surgery also works."

Dr Mirza says the guidelines want to shatter the double standards that people with obesity face by making medical treatments readily available, like for any other condition.

"Just like asthma, just like hypertension," she says. "In hypertension you would tell somebody to cut salt, but then the blood pressure is still high, so you're still going to give them medication."

But some doctors are concerned by the emphasis on intensive early intervention.

Dr Katy Miller works with teenagers struggling with eating disorders at Children's Minnesota, and she fears these guidelines might be "setting kids up for a challenging relationship with their bodies".

"We are proposing treatment strategies that are expensive and even in the best circumstances are often unsuccessful," she says.

She thinks the focus should be more on the societal factors that impact childhood obesity.

"How can we ask someone to diet when we're not addressing things like poverty, food scarcity and housing instability?"

"I had a 15-year-old patient who had been told by doctors to lose weight," she adds, "and his family has been living in extreme poverty. They had a change in their financial circumstances, and he said to me 'do you know what the best part about having money is? You can buy fruit that isn't mouldy'."

On a cold grey day, I meet Julia. She's a mum of three and she has just finished a year-long support group on healthy cooking organised by the YMCA.

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Mother of three Julia Guevara was diagnosed with high cholesterol and prediabetes during pregnancy

"I am the one who cooks at home," she tells me proudly, "so if I cook healthy food, my family stays healthy."

She was referred to the program because she had been diagnosed with high cholesterol and prediabetes during pregnancy. Her teenage son, she tells me, was starting to have health issues as well, and that motivated her.

While she cuts some fruit for her toddler, I ask her what she thinks of the new guidelines.

She shakes her head.

"As a parent, I'd first try changing the food we eat and getting my children to do sports," she says.

"In our country, kids don't have that many opportunities to exercise, schools don't have enough sports programs. Only if I had tried everything, then I might consider it."

On the opposite side of town, Tracy agrees. "Surgery and medication should be the last resort," she says.



"Obesity is a chronic medical condition and in addition to healthy lifestyle changes, we have shown that medication works, and surgery also works."
"You don't understand goy, we NEED to get your child addicted to pills at an early age, you just gave us the perfect excuse for it."
 
Bariatric surgery is as big of a grift as troon butchery, often with only slightly less horrifying results. It's deranged but not surprising that they are now pushing it on kids, seeing how they push troon butchery on kids the same age.

Bariatric surgery is a grift. The less radical type typically fails eventually, the most radical types work, but you are looking at a lifetime of associated health problems and general annoyances and difficulty as a result of it (enjoy the possibility of randomly shitting your pants at any given time!)

I wouldn't recommend bariatric surgery to anyone that I wasn't completely convinced was absolutely dedicated to it, and even then they'd have to prove to me why they couldn't lose weight by eating less and moving their ass.

This isn't coming from some adonis with gifted genetics and a set of washboard abs either. Weight has been an issue for most of my life. I can generally maintain a non-fat BMI, but it does fluctuate, and I readily admit I need to eat less crap and move my ass more. I'm not immune to what needs to be done.
 
I think Josh said it on MATI at some point, but he made a connection between the behaviors of opioid abusers and fat people. Specifically that they are incapable of tolerating the most minor discomfort. I think there's something to the idea that this kind of hedonistic self indulgence rewires the brain to need dopamine and instant gratifications at all times and diminishes the ability to tolerate anything less.
It really is an addiction, and I'm serious. Brain scans have shown that fatties get the same dopamine hit from eating that drug addicts do when they get their dose. These people unironically need full-blown rehab.

Not that there's anything new about sugar being addicting. During the 1700's cane sugar was the preferred cash crop of European colonial powers. It sold in such quantities and at such prices that despite all of the cutting, squeezing, heating, and other processing needed to get sugar out of sugar cane it still made enough profit for the Spanish to churn through a batch of expensive slaves every seven years and come out ahead. Tobacco was peanuts compared to sugar.
 
It really is an addiction, and I'm serious. Brain scans have shown that fatties get the same dopamine hit from eating that drug addicts do when they get their dose. These people unironically need full-blown rehab.

Not that there's anything new about sugar being addicting. During the 1700's cane sugar was the preferred cash crop of European colonial powers. It sold in such quantities and at such prices that despite all of the cutting, squeezing, heating, and other processing needed to get sugar out of sugar cane it still made enough profit for the Spanish to churn through a batch of expensive slaves every seven years and come out ahead. Tobacco was peanuts compared to sugar.

Modern food scientists also hit the jackpot when they realized that combining certain things in certain ratios, such as sugar, fat, and salt gave that dopamine hit reliably. They discovered this back in the 1960's and went on to design products through the 70's that hit the market in the 1980's, this combined with high fructose corn syrup being rolled out, along with the mass acceptance of the microwaves, lead to the beginning of the situations we find ourselves in now. The entire industry exploded and resulted in easy to heat up crap that is ultrarefined, barely qualifies as food, with minimal nutritional value, where you can't even identify its constituent components, that is actively harmful to human health.

Things have been on a downhill slide for the last 40+ years and we are now at the true nadir.
 
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I was only half-joking about sneed oils. They truly are poison and it's high time people start realizing that eating engine degreaser is a terrible idea.
 
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I was only half-joking about sneed oils. They truly are poison and it's high time people start realizing that eating engine degreaser is a terrible idea.
I've looked into this but I still don't understand the panic about seed oils. Isn't olive oil a type of seed oil? I do enjoy using tallow and animal fat, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that seed oils are bad to use. It seems to be a food panic fad that comes and goes every few years.
 
I've looked into this but I still don't understand the panic about seed oils. Isn't olive oil a type of seed oil? I do enjoy using tallow and animal fat, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that seed oils are bad to use. It seems to be a food panic fad that comes and goes every few years.
Actual olive oil is made with olives. This video shows the process:


Get yourself some good Italian olive oil. If it's one thing I've grown to love about Italians, is that they are beyond autistic when it comes to flavors and cooking, they don't fuck around with the ingredients.
 
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I've looked into this but I still don't understand the panic about seed oils. Isn't olive oil a type of seed oil? I do enjoy using tallow and animal fat, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that seed oils are bad to use. It seems to be a food panic fad that comes and goes every few years.
My understanding is that seed oils or low quality oils like soybean and corn oil oxidize at a higher temp. Avacado oil has a very high smoke point whereas canola oil has a lower one. That means when heated the molecular structure is either more stable or less stable. The less stable molecules in cheap oil oxidize much quicker. When that happens the molecules distort and get like, sharp bits and fractures and spikey bits on them. When the oxidized fat molecules digest and enter the blood stream, those spikey bits make micro tears and abrasions in the arteries and blood vessels, texturing them and causing damage. A textured surface is prone to collecting debris- an artery with damage from these oxidized fats will accumulate the fats in all the nooks and crannies and build on each other until the inner diameter of the artery gets blocked and you have a heart attack. Idr which oils exactly are good vs bad but this is why there are some better than others. I use avacado oil and animal fats usually unless money gets too tight.
 
It really is an addiction, and I'm serious. Brain scans have shown that fatties get the same dopamine hit from eating that drug addicts do when they get their dose. These people unironically need full-blown rehab.

Not that there's anything new about sugar being addicting. During the 1700's cane sugar was the preferred cash crop of European colonial powers. It sold in such quantities and at such prices that despite all of the cutting, squeezing, heating, and other processing needed to get sugar out of sugar cane it still made enough profit for the Spanish to churn through a batch of expensive slaves every seven years and come out ahead. Tobacco was peanuts compared to sugar.
I think part of the reason fat people love foods stuffed with sugar is from malnutrition.

You might have heard of some experiments where mice are given access to sugar water. Those experiments are often mentioned in stories about obesity. What usually isn't mentioned is the details of those experiments. There will be a group of mice that is given access to all the food they want, another that is fasted for some period of time and a control. The two experimental groups will have access to sugar water. The group of mice that is fasted will consume copious amounts of sugar water, yet the group that has access to food wont.

Naturally the only foods humans had access to that were high in sugar is fruit, which also tends to be nutrient dense. I don't think its a coincidence that obese people are often suffering from nutrient deficiencies while they also gravitate towards sugar filled trash. They'll even guzzle down 'diet' soda with fake sugar.
I've looked into this but I still don't understand the panic about seed oils. Isn't olive oil a type of seed oil? I do enjoy using tallow and animal fat, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that seed oils are bad to use. It seems to be a food panic fad that comes and goes every few years.
Part of the rational for avoiding seed oils is they are high in polyunsaturated fatty acids. Those occur in low amounts in other foods, ie stuff humans have been eating for thousands of years. Humans consuming tons of PUFAs is a very recent thing. The rise in obesity over the past ~50 years tracks quite well with PUFA consumption.
 
The steep rise in obesity makes me think that there must be an ingredient recently put in food or chemicals in the environment, that is causing kids and adults alike to be compelled to overeat. Sedentary lifestyle and a lack of discipline certainly will make people unfit or chubby, but I feel other factors must be at play. Too many young people are literally addicted to food. It’s a shame. Everyone looks sick.
It's an economic issue. You can track the rise in obesity with the deindustrialization of the US. Like I said, people are going to eat what they can afford. If all they can afford to eat is unhealthy food that's what they are going to eat. Nothing will change that and all the complaining in the world will not change it. Want to change peoples diets eating habits and so on? Fix the economy.
Why are you buying pre chopped vegatables instead of cutting them up yourself?

Most vegetables around where I live are under $5 per pound which usually has more than I need. A bag of Yukon potatoes usually goes for $7-$12 depending on which store you go to.

Mind you I live in fucking Canada, where we are being taxed to death. Eating healthier here is cheaper than junk food. I’m assuming that you’re American, which gives you less of an excuse to be mindful of where you shop. Pretty sure there’s places cheaper than Whole Foods.
I don't buy pre-chopped anything. I mostly eat out. It doesn't matter if they are prechopped or not. They are still expensive, and they don't last long. Poor people need food that is cheap filling and will last a long time in storage. You know, between the time when they get their paychecks or bennies.

Also no one is going to sit around and eat only vegetables all the time. Vegetables are usually a side to something else. Food is very expensive now.

People will eat what they can afford. Unfortunately, that is not always healthy.

Obesity is an economic issue. Want to fix the problem? Fix the economy.
 
It's an economic issue. You can track the rise in obesity with the deindustrialization of the US. Like I said, people are going to eat what they can afford. If all they can afford to eat is unhealthy food that's what they are going to eat. Nothing will change that and all the complaining in the world will not change it. Want to change peoples diets eating habits and so on? Fix the economy.

I don't buy pre-chopped anything. I mostly eat out. It doesn't matter if they are prechopped or not. They are still expensive, and they don't last long. Poor people need food that is cheap filling and will last a long time in storage. You know, between the time when they get their paychecks or bennies.

Also no one is going to sit around and eat only vegetables all the time. Vegetables are usually a side to something else. Food is very expensive now.

People will eat what they can afford. Unfortunately, that is not always healthy.

Obesity is an economic issue. Want to fix the problem? Fix the economy.
Your post is nothing but excuses. Frozen vegetables exist and even come pre-cut. Spinach itself doesn't even need to be cut, just grab 2 big handfuls and throw in whatever you're cooking. Stir-frys or casseroles or whatever don't take that long to cook or don't need to be kept an eye on. The fact you think fast food is cheaper when dollar menus are non-existant is astounding.
 
I've heard of the phenomenon called "food deserts", but since I don't live in the USA, idk how big of a deal it actually is. If someone could explain if such areas are that common, I'd be damn grateful.
It's only a big deal to nigger communities, as niggers rob them often enough that the business closes. To regular people, grocery stories are, at worst, about 2 or 3 miles from where they live.
 
It sucks that the school is cutting PE, that's definitely an issue that needs to be addressed. But what's stopping the mother from doing physical activities in their free time? Join a discount gym, go for a walk at local park, do some youtube workout videos at home, literally anything is better than sitting around doing nothing.

People were supposedly obsessed with sports and aerobics during the 80s and 90s.

Hopefully it makes a comeback.

:optimistic:
 
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