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The solution is, not allowing them to change their sex on documents, use opposite sex's spaces, refer to them as their real gender in news and etc... Don't accommodate any of their demands and treat them proper, with you know, the good old happy pills, a lot of this can be solved with conventional treatments.
Can you show me data that convential treatments work? Real published data I mean.
 

Shoudn't worry about that, nobody in those pic is passing

Sounds like Leslie had no problem being perceived as a man. She did T, called herself "transgender lesbian"... Real life Kikomi
Per the wikipedia
Feinberg stated in a 2006 interview that her preferred pronouns varied depending on context:


For me, pronouns are always placed within context. I am female-bodied, I am a butch lesbian, a transgender lesbian—referring to me as "she/her" is appropriate, particularly in a non-trans setting in which referring to me as "he" would appear to resolve the social contradiction between my birth sex and gender expression and render my transgender expression invisible. I like the gender neutral pronoun "ze/hir" because it makes it impossible to hold on to gender/sex/sexuality assumptions about a person you're about to meet or you've just met. And in an all trans setting, referring to me as "he/him" honors my gender expression in the same way that referring to my sister drag queens as "she/her" does.

Feinberg's widow wrote in her statement regarding Feinberg's death that Feinberg did not really care which pronouns a person used to address her: "She preferred to use the pronouns she/zie and her/hir for herself, but also said: 'I care which pronoun is used, but people have been respectful to me with the wrong pronoun and disrespectful with the right one. It matters whether someone is using the pronoun as a bigot, or if they are trying to demonstrate respect.'"

According to Julie Enszner, a friend of Feinberg's, Feinberg sometimes "passed" as a man for safety reasons.

So you wear male clothes and buzzed-cut hairs, let people assume you are a male sometimes, but also require the cis to us She/her to prove their bona-fides, and the trans to use He/him to honour your men's suits ....

But you are a woman...
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Stone Butch Blues is still on my list of things to read but she sounds like she was a handful.


On another subject, the stupidity of the trans allies insulting the looks of Rowling and her gang of trans-exclusive lesbians is staggering.
Many of them are just "cis" kids looking to farm likes. I know someone else posted it but i didn't got the time to check it out.


Kids this doesn't make you look like the heroes at all.
 
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Real talk what do you think to think is the solution to the Troon problem.? They aren't women and creep on lesbians and straight men in a very predatory manner. But at the same time, I think it's evident from the data hormones and the masquerade does seem to make them less suicidal. And I haven't seen any evidence that alternative treatments work to the same degree. So do we tolerate them as long as they know their place?
as jesse singal pointed out the other day, this is not true. they stabilize and do not become more suicidal, unlike their untreated peers, but they remain as suicidal as they were before beginning treatment.

and as other have said there is no tolerance. there is no compromise with exhibition fetishists either, we don't allow them to a little bit masturbate out of a window or only allow the real exhibitionists to masturbate out of a window. indulging in a paraphilia only worsens it, even if you allow the polite well-behaved troons to coexist you're just setting up bombs.

Follow-up on the El Salvadoran Metro Hero:


Gowan said there are certain actions other passengers could have taken to help.

“It would have really helped if one of the five or so other people on the train had come over and pretended that they knew me, pretended that they were my mom or my gran,” she said.
How absolutely revolting that his first thought is "it's women's job to come between myself and the big man shouting at me."
 
Real talk what do you think to think is the solution to the Troon problem.? They aren't women and creep on lesbians and straight men in a very predatory manner. But at the same time, I think it's evident from the data hormones and the masquerade does seem to make them less suicidal. And I haven't seen any evidence that alternative treatments work to the same degree. So do we tolerate them as long as they know their place?

Realistically they're never gonna know their place. Ever read "If You Give a Moose a Muffin"? Or heard the parable of the Camel's Nose? They will ALWAYS push for more, because what they have is never enough. The type of person who bases the majority of their personality on being an oppressed victim is never gonna think they're on truly equal footing, and if they did, they'd find a way to make it uneven pretty quickly, since fighting the mean white cis patriarchy is the only "meaning" they have in life.
 
A couple of years ago just for the hell of it I looked at twenty or so high profile incidents in which trans people were murdered and every single one of them took place in a horrifically violent urban ghetto with a violent crime rate like 150% above the national average.

Despite the media wailing there is absolutely no way to definitively tie any of these crimes to troonphobia or whatever. They were either hookers murdered by johns or murdered by junkies looking for cash.
 
So you wear male clothes and buzzed-cut hairs, let people assume you are a male (for safety) all while requiring the cis to us She/her to prove their bona-fides, and the trans to use He/him to honor you men suits ....

But you are a woman...
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Stone Butch Blues is still on my list of things to read but she sounds like she was a handfull.
Highly overrated imo. It gives good insight into the life of lesbians in the 50s-70s. But as a work of fiction, it's boring as fuck. I also don't know why the troon crowd loves it so much. It pretty much establishes that dysphoria is a result of oppression and internalized homophobia and ends with the main character detransing and living as a woman. There's also a very questionable subplot of the main character committing rape by deception. She "passes" as a man and fucks a straight waitress with a strapon in the dark. But the waitress turn out to be homophobic and mean so it's ok I guess?
 
Bad sportsmanship, you are just sore losers and your coach fucked up! You just got to train harder and have a better strategy next time, silly holes!
Jamal Jamina just happens to have more muscles and a larger frame, you know like that Phelp’s fella and his dolphin feet! Now cheer up and get changed, she is waiting for you in the showers!

Edit: keep contact-sports clips like these coming, at some point you can make a montage of it with Cyndi Lauper on background. Who could have foreseen that in the near future you can make a legal killing selling video’s where women get beaten to a pulp to men who despise women? Oooh girls, they just wanna have orbital fracture/shoulder dislocation/blunt force brain traumafun!
 
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Real talk what do you think to think is the solution to the Troon problem.? They aren't women and creep on lesbians and straight men in a very predatory manner. But at the same time, I think it's evident from the data hormones and the masquerade does seem to make them less suicidal. And I haven't seen any evidence that alternative treatments work to the same degree. So do we tolerate them as long as they know their place?
We outlaw the Cis. Except for lesbians who are required to sleep with trans women. Also something something end capitalism. Look, just read the pamphlets okay?
 
Realistically they're never gonna know their place. Ever read "If You Give a Moose a Muffin"? Or heard the parable of the Camel's Nose? They will ALWAYS push for more, because what they have is never enough. The type of person who bases the majority of their personality on being an oppressed victim is never gonna think they're on truly equal footing, and if they did, they'd find a way to make it uneven pretty quickly, since fighting the mean white cis patriarchy is the only "meaning" they have in life.
Lol yeah they make up a new rule every now and then.
“Don’t use they pronouns on me or I’ll threaten to kill myself”
“If I use she/they, use they more!”
“Put TME or TMA in your bios!”
I even saw someone say it’s suspicious if someone doesn’t have a trans woman as a friend.
 
No fujoshi's or AGPs allowed to transition. Just the gay ones who want to LARP being straight. You can be gay or you can be trans, not both. Then it will go back to only willowy twinks and butch dykes trying to do this. Those were the trans people everyone was ok with existing. And it'll stop idiots from ruining their families by trooning out to play at being lesbians.

IDK what you do with the rest of them. Chemical Castration? They seem to go on about Turing having that happen to him, despite him just being gay. Maybe it is a solution to troondom, the way it is for pedophilia. Handily, this would also take care of the ones who seem to be doing the grooming.

I'm joking, but seriously, the number of troon lesbians who turn out to be sexual predators before transitioning is ridiculous.
 
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No fujoshi's or AGPs allowed to transition. Just the gay ones who want to LARP being straight. Then it will go back to only willowy twinks and butch dykes trying to do this. Those were the trans people everyone was ok with existing.

IDK what you do with the rest of them. Chemical Castration? They seem to go on about Turing having that happen to him, despite him just being gay. Maybe it is a solution to troondom, the way it is for pedophilia. Handily, this would also take care of the ones who seem to be doing the grooming.
Transitioning, puberty blockers and and chemical castration are closely related or identical depending on the specific drugs used.
 
Uh, what's in their left nostril?
I think that's a nose piercing but it looks extremely long for some reason. Nose piercings are often curved but for some reason, the piercing is going out of the nostril. I think he used the wrong jewelry.

No fujoshi's or AGPs allowed to transition. Just the gay ones who want to LARP being straight. You can be gay or you can be trans, not both. Then it will go back to only willowy twinks and butch dykes trying to do this. Those were the trans people everyone was ok with existing. And it'll stop idiots from ruining their families by trooning out to play at being lesbians.

IDK what you do with the rest of them. Chemical Castration? They seem to go on about Turing having that happen to him, despite him just being gay. Maybe it is a solution to troondom, the way it is for pedophilia. Handily, this would also take care of the ones who seem to be doing the grooming.
Chemical castration doesn't work on pedophiles and it won't work on troons. Many chemically castrated pedophiles still continue to abuse children because even though they can't get their rocks off, their brain still craves to abuse power dynamics between them and children. Male troons are given estrogen and even have their balls chopped off and that kills their sex drive but they still groom children.
 
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Real talk what do you think to think is the solution to the Troon problem.? They aren't women and creep on lesbians and straight men in a very predatory manner. But at the same time, I think it's evident from the data hormones and the masquerade does seem to make them less suicidal. And I haven't seen any evidence that alternative treatments work to the same degree. So do we tolerate them as long as they know their place?

Nature always wins in the end.
If the trannies who actually want to pass (i.e. don't want to completely dilute or get rid of gender) win control over the movement, that's basically self-correcting, because they're so marginal. If they push too hard in some areas people will eventually get sick of their shit and push back in those areas. ("Trans women" being allowed in women's sports is already incredibly unpopular outside twitter, and we're living in peak cancel culture fear).

If the "there are 5000 equally heckin valid genders" crowd wins out, that's the really bad ending, because that's not just men with a mental illness/fetish, that's an intentional push to homogenize people into an identity-less consumer class. But it won't last. People will follow their silliness for a while until they can't remember why they're following it or until there's no incentive to follow it, at which point humanity will intuitively re-conceptualize the obvious reality of 2 genders corresponding to 2 body types with about 99% accuracy in like five seconds.
 
Chemical castration doesn't work on pedophiles and it won't work on troons. Many chemically castrated pedophiles still continue to abuse children because even though they can't get their rocks off, their brain still craves to abuse power dynamics between them and children. Male troons are given estrogen and even have their balls chopped off and that kills their sex drive but they still groom children.
That's a good point actually. Troons frequently actually castrate themselves and it doesn't remove the desire to penetrate women's spaces. So yeah, I guess there is no solution other than preventing grooming.
Nature always wins in the end.
If the trannies who actually want to pass (i.e. don't want to completely dilute or get rid of gender) win control over the movement, that's basically self-correcting, because they're so marginal. If they push too hard in some areas people will eventually get sick of their shit and push back in those areas. ("Trans women" being allowed in women's sports is already incredibly unpopular outside twitter, and we're living in peak cancel culture fear).

If the "there are 5000 equally heckin valid genders" crowd wins out, that's the really bad ending, because that's not just men with a mental illness/fetish, that's an intentional push to homogenize people into an identity-less consumer class. But it won't last. People will follow their silliness for a while until they can't remember why they're following it or until there's no incentive to follow it, at which point humanity will intuitively re-conceptualize the obvious reality of 2 genders corresponding to 2 body types with about 99% accuracy in like five seconds.

I also feel like the coming wave of existential suffering and regret from all the people who trooned out on a whim is going to dampen enthusiasm in the future. They're already finding it hard to keep a lid on detransitioners.
 
A couple of years ago just for the hell of it I looked at twenty or so high profile incidents in which trans people were murdered and every single one of them took place in a horrifically violent urban ghetto with a violent crime rate like 150% above the national average.

Despite the media wailing there is absolutely no way to definitively tie any of these crimes to troonphobia or whatever. They were either hookers murdered by johns or murdered by junkies looking for cash.
To be fair the people in those communities are very hostile to gender nonconforming men
 
I also feel like the coming wave of existential suffering and regret from all the people who trooned out on a whim is going to dampen enthusiasm in the future. They're already finding it hard to keep a lid on detransitioners.
It's going to get worse as the troons age. Neophalli and neovaginas, which already have issues at the start, will begin to have even more issues. It doesn't matter if you dilate, the amhole will always begin to close. The neophallus will always begin to fall off.

Estrogen and testosterone messes with connective tissue. Heart valves are extremely important to living and that's connective tissue. Testosterone increases your chance of heart issues. Estrogen causes issues with autoimmune systems.

I have said it multiple times and I'll say it again; when you transition, you die from suicide, complications, or someone who is nice pulls the plug to let you out of your misery.
 
Real talk what do you think to think is the solution to the Troon problem.? They aren't women and creep on lesbians and straight men in a very predatory manner. But at the same time, I think it's evident from the data hormones and the masquerade does seem to make them less suicidal. And I haven't seen any evidence that alternative treatments work to the same degree. So do we tolerate them as long as they know their place?
Probably better off asked in one of the Deep Thoughts threads like the Serious LBGT Discussion or the General transgender discussion threads, but I'll put my two cents in here.

I believe the solution would be the realisation that just because they have "societal disadvantages", that doesn't entitle them from impinging on other people's rights, and that forcing people to conform to their delusions lest they suffer actual consequences does not endear them to the cause. A lot of the issues that get posted on here come from troons that want to gain access to spaces (concrete, like women's shelters, or abstract, like dating pools) that their sex prevents them from joining. Dysphoria is an internal distress; it shouldn't be caused by other people, and measures (therapy or surgery) are taken to address that and only that.
 
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