Yout LLC vs. the RIAA, Inc. (2020)

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Yout LLC v. Recording Industry Association of America, Inc. 3:20-cv-01602 — District Court, D. Connecticut

  • Docket No.
    3:20-cv-01602
  • Court
    District Court, D. Connecticut
  • Filed
    24 Paź 2020
  • Terminated
    29 Wrz 2022
  • Nature of Suit
    820 Copyright
  • Cause
    28:2201 Declaratory Judgment
  • Jurisdiction
    Federal Question
  • Jury Demand
    Plaintiff
  • Last Filing
    12 Sty 2023

Parties (3)

Parties
Doe Record Companies, Recording Industry Association of America, Inc., Yout LLC

Recent Filings (showing 5 of 109)

# Date Description Filing
71 12 Sty 2023 ORDER denying without prejudice defendant Recording Industry Association of America's 65 Motion for Attorneys' Fees and denying as moot plaintiff Yout, LLC's 67 Motion to Stay. I grant the Recording Industry Associ ation of America leave to re-file its motion for attorneys' fees and costs no later than fourteen days after entry of the mandate by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. Signed by Judge Stefan R. Underhill on 1/13/2022. (Hurley, S.) 1 2
70 4 Sty 2023 REPLY to Response to 67 MOTION to Stay re 65 MOTION for Attorney Fees, 65 MOTION for Attorney Fees filed by Yout LLC. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit Declaration of Johnathan Nader)(Mudd, Charles) (Entered: 01/05/2023) 1 2 3
69 21 Gru 2022 Memorandum in Opposition to Plaintiff Yout LLC's Motion to Stay Defendant RIAA's Motion for Attorneys' Fees re 67 MOTION to Stay re 65 MOTION for Attorney Fees filed by Recording Industry Association of America, Inc.. (Attachments: # 1 Affidavit Declaration of Rose Leda Ehler ISO RIAA's Opposition to Plaintiff's Motion to Stay Defendant RIAA's Motion for Attorneys' Fees, # 2 Exhibit A to Ehler Declaration, # 3 Exhibit B to Ehler Declaration, # 4 Exhibit C to Ehler Declaration, # 5 Exhibit D to Ehler Declaration, # 6 Exhibit E to Ehler Declaration, # 7 Exhibit F to Ehler Declaration)(Ehler, Rose) (Entered: 12/22/2022) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
68 4 Gru 2022 ORDER granting nunc pro tunc 66 Motion for Extension of Time to File Response/Reply re 65 Motion for Attorney Fees. Signed by Judge Stefan R. Underhill on 12/5/2022. (Hurley, S.) (Entered: 12/05/2022)
4 Gru 2022  

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This thread is for legal discussion regarding the lawsuit. For general discussion about youtube-dl, the RIAA, this DMCA, the DMCA itself, Github, etc, go to this thread.

Yout LLC is the containing company responsible for youtube-dl, a phenomenal and popular free and open source software project that enables users to easily download multimedia from webpages, including (and especially) YouTube. This project is used in many other projects (both for profit and free, such as VLC) to enable playing third party multimedia in a way that the user so prefers.

Naturally, the Recording Industry Association of America is attempting to destroy it.

On October 23rd, 2020, the RIAA filed a DMCA complaint with Github, a company owned by Microsoft which is handles collaborative software projects like youtube-dl and which hosts the source code for it.
October 23, 2020

GitHub

Dear Sir or Madam:

I am contacting you on behalf of the Recording Industry Association of America, Inc. (RIAA) and
its member record companies. The RIAA is a trade association whose member companies
create, manufacture or distribute sound recordings representing approximately eighty-five (85)
percent of all legitimate recorded music consumption in the United States. Under penalty of
perjury, we submit that the RIAA is authorized to act on behalf of its member companies on
matters involving the infringement of their sound recordings, audiovisual works and images,
including enforcing their copyrights and common law rights on the Internet.

Copyright Violations. We have learned that your service is hosting the youtube-dl source code
on its network at the following locations, among others:

https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/tree/gh-pages
http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/
https://github.com/benkeung/youtube-dl
https://github.com/cyberjacob/youtube-dl
https://github.com/elaopinska/youtube-dl
https://github.com/huangciyin/youtube-dl
https://github.com/jckelley/youtube-dl
https://github.com/LouisPlisso/youtube-dl
https://github.com/ojauch/youtube-dl
https://github.com/rbrito/youtube-dl
https://github.com/successLee/youtube-dl
https://github.com/trammel/youtube-dl
https://github.com/vs9390/youtube-dl
https://github.com/zackfern/youtube-dl
https://github.com/tosuch/youtube-dl
https://github.com/pornophage/youtube-dl
https://github.com/tejaskhot/youtube-dl
https://github.com/VideoUtils/youtube-dl
https://github.com/798221028/youtube-dl

The above list includes a representative sample of the youtube-dl forks of the youtube-dl
source code being hosted on GitHub. Based on our review of the representative sample noted
above, we have a good faith belief that most of the youtube-dl forks are infringing to the same
extent as the parent repository.

The clear purpose of this source code is to (i) circumvent the technological protection measures
used by authorized streaming services such as YouTube, and (ii) reproduce and distribute music
videos and sound recordings owned by our member companies without authorization for such
use. We note that the source code is described on GitHub as “a command-line program to
download videos from YouTube.com and a few more sites.”1

We also note that the source
code prominently includes as sample uses of the source code the downloading of copies of our
members’ copyrighted sound recordings and music videos, as noted in Exhibit A hereto. For
example, as shown on Exhibit A, the source code expressly suggests its use to copy and/or
distribute the following copyrighted works owned by our member companies:

• Icona Pop – I Love It (feat. Charli XCX) [Official Video], owned by Warner Music Group
• Justin Timberlake – Tunnel Vision (Explicit), owned by Sony Music Group
• Taylor Swift – Shake it Off, owned/exclusively licensed by Universal Music Group

The source code notes that the Icona Pop work identified above is under the YouTube Standard
license, which expressly restricts access to copyrighted works only for streaming on YouTube
and prohibits their further reproduction or distribution without consent of the copyright owner;
that the Justin Timberlake work identified above is under an additional age protection
identifier; and that the request for the Taylor Swift work identified above is to obtain, without
authorization of the copyright owner or YouTube, an M4A audio file from the audiovisual work
in question.

We have a good faith belief that this activity is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent,
or the law. We assert that the information in this notification is accurate, based upon the data
available to us.

Anticircumvention Violation. We also note that the provision or trafficking of the source code
violates 17 USC §§1201(a)(2) and 1201(b)(1). The source code is a technology primarily
designed or produced for the purpose of, and marketed for, circumventing a technological
measure that effectively controls access to copyrighted sound recordings on YouTube, including
copyrighted sound recordings owned by our members. For further context, please see the
attached court decision from the Hamburg Regional Court that describes the technological
measure at issue (known as YouTube’s “rolling cipher”), and the court’s determination that the
technology employed by YouTube is an effective technical measure within the meaning of EU

1
See https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/blob/master/README.md#readme.

and German law, which is materially identical to Title 17 U.S.C. §1201 of the United States
Code. The court further determined that the service at issue in that case unlawfully
circumvented YouTube’s rolling cipher technical protection measure.2
The youtube-dl source code functions in a manner essentially identical to the service at issue in
the Hamburg Regional Court decision. As there, the youtube-dl source code available on
Github (which is the subject of this notice) circumvents YouTube’s rolling cipher to gain
unauthorized access to copyrighted audio files, in violation of YouTube’s express terms of
service,3 and in plain violation of Section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C.
§1201.

Indeed, the comments in the youtube-dl source code make clear that the source code was
designed and is marketed for the purpose of circumventing YouTube’s technological measures
to enable unauthorized access to our member’s copyrighted works, and to make unauthorized
copies and distributions thereof: they identify our member’s works, they note that the works
are VEVO videos (virtually all of which are owned by our member companies), they
acknowledge the those works are licensed to YouTube under the YouTube standard license, and
they use those examples in the source code to describe how to obtain unauthorized access to
copies of our members’ works.

In light of the above noted copyright infringements and anticircumvention violations, we ask
that you immediately take down and disable access to the youtube-dl source code at all of its
locations where it is hosted on GitHub, including without limitation those locations in the
representative list set forth above.

This e-mail does not constitute a waiver of any right to recover damages incurred by virtue of
any such unauthorized activities, and all such rights as well as claims for other relief are
expressly reserved.

You may contact me at RIAA, [private] Tel. [private],
or email [private] to discuss this notice.

Sincerely,

Immediately, Github deleted the youtube-dl project.

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On October 26th, Yout LLC announced it would file a suit against the RIAA.

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A TorrentFreak article posted the same way contained memos from Github management which indicated they were sympathetic to youtube-dl.



Here is the complaint. PDF attached below.
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Yeah, where is this suit likely to go? Because I don't see him getting out of this alive. At the end of the day, the courts favor who has the most money.
From the looks of things, Yout is trying to argue that their software is a time-shifting tool. Time-shifting was ruled by SCOTUS to be a fair use all the way back in 1984, and Yout is saying that the RIAA is maliciously misrepresenting their software in order to get it taken off the internet and violating the DMCA in the process.

This guy is representing Yout. 22 years experience, Vice-Chair of the Illinois State Bar Association's Intellectual Property Section Council.
 
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That complaint doesn't appear to mention the Github shit at all, just the DMCAs against Google trying to have Yout delisted as far back as October of last year.
Yeah, are we sure Yout and youtube-dl are really related? This lawsuit doesn't seem to have anything to do with youtube-dl at all. I think Null is conflating things.
 
Yeah, are we sure Yout and youtube-dl are really related? This lawsuit doesn't seem to have anything to do with youtube-dl at all. I think Null is conflating things.
Now that you mention it, I can't see any connection. I can't find anything on their site indicating they use youtube-dl as a backend, but they might, I suppose.
 
idk, even if youtube-dl gets "squashed", there will be always something out there. really just think this was a move by the riaa to "set an example" by swinging around money. even then, i don't think it'll deter people. it's just a dumb move.
 
How many people have sued the RIAA?

More importantly, how many have sued and won?
Theyve been suing more often than the other way around. Thier strategy was to get random people to settle cause they cant afford an expensive lawsuit. This created a shit ton of bad press. When they tried suing IP addresses alone the courts shot them down and thats when they eventually abandoned that strategy.

Im sure @AnOminous or other law spergs can give a history of the RIAAs lawsuits. Frankly the OP should have some of thier noteworthy lawsuits for some background. Some of these were in the 2000s and some users might not remember them.
 
Theyve been suing more often than the other way around. Thier strategy was to get random people to settle cause they cant afford an expensive lawsuit. This created a shit ton of bad press. When they tried suing IP addresses alone the courts shot them down and thats when they eventually abandoned that strategy.

Im sure @AnOminous or other law spergs can give a history of the RIAAs lawsuits. Frankly the OP should have some of thier noteworthy lawsuits for some background. Some of these were in the 2000s and some users might not remember them.
I'm not a legal sperg, but here is a short list.
 
Thanks to Cary Sherman, the undead heeb lich CEO of RIAA. I guess he didn't get his daily dose of child's blood and animal sacrifices.
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Post Nut Nutrillity fiasco I think this is going to go south. Everyone reading this thread, get to downloading everything before it's too late. I'm personally taking an archive of the KF Archive channel and some SsethTzeentach stuff, as well as relevant stuff to the Onion archive I neglect. Even if we don't lose this now it can't help but feel like it's a matter of time until we do eventually, and then we're pretty fucked so let's reduce how fucked we are.
 
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Theyve been suing more often than the other way around. Thier strategy was to get random people to settle cause they cant afford an expensive lawsuit. This created a shit ton of bad press. When they tried suing IP addresses alone the courts shot them down and thats when they eventually abandoned that strategy.

Im sure @AnOminous or other law spergs can give a history of the RIAAs lawsuits. Frankly the OP should have some of thier noteworthy lawsuits for some background. Some of these were in the 2000s and some users might not remember them.
Hm. Maybe Yout is banking on the RIAA's reputation here to hamstring them in court, or encourage the RIAA to relent/settle to minimize press.

Probably not a good gamble. Could the RIAA file countersuit here? Would they?
 
Hm. Maybe Yout is banking on the RIAA's reputation here to hamstring them in court, or encourage the RIAA to relent/settle to minimize press.

Probably not a good gamble. Could the RIAA file countersuit here? Would they?
Probably because they apparently intend to continue doing what the RIAA has tried to bully them out of doing.
 
Probably because they apparently intend to continue doing what the RIAA has tried to bully them out of doing.
I'd like to think that any success on Yout's behalf here would put blood into the water and encourage more people to try and give the RIAA a taste of their own medicine. Even if anyone who comes after doesn't win, it might open the floodgates on the "Fuck the RIAA" lawsuits and drive the RIAA into a nice, quiet corner for a bit where they won't bother anyone for a while.

Look at me being optimistic about this shit.
 
Youtube-dl is likely going to become the new DeCSS. No way they'll win this lawsuit, RIAA is a fucking parasite that doesn't understand the term "fair use" at all.

RIP youtube-dl.
 
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