why is there something rather than nothing? - a question on why our universe existed from nothing

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corporal shepard

corporal shepard

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we know our universe starts from nothing but if it starts from nothing then it should remain nothing and yet here we are. living our lives in a very alive universe. so how could this be? how could our universe sprung up from pure nothingness?
 
we know our universe starts from nothing
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We literally DON'T know that, that's a very arrogant/ignorant thing to say first and foremost.
If you consider our greatest collective efforts at understanding our universe can barely grasp the concept of how time and space themselves are bent by gravity and we can't even properly create a theory of everything that avoid contradictions between quantum physics and astrophysics then you realize we don't know shit, if we ever will.
 
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Where do we know this from exactly?
Evidence, please.

Also, what is this "nothing" you speak of?
Seriously, what is it?
As far as we know, "nothing" doesn't exist in this universe, there's something everywhere, even the void of space is filled with things.
For all we know, "nothing" can't exist, you need to first prove that it can exist for us to even have this conversation.

Checkmate, atheists.
 
I don't really give a shit where we came from, be it God, Naturally occurring in the universe, whatever. I care about the small scale, this little life we all have. I care about where we're going here on this planet now. What choices we're making, how we treat each other. I'll never know shit about that other Universe/God shit. I need to understand this little tiny human baby life first, before I can even tackle anything else.
 
It's an unanswerable question. On top of which, we're suffering an immense perspective bias, simply because there is something, and therefore someone to ask the question. No equivalent exists in the opposite and we can't conceive of "nothing" in any practical sense, except in terms of an absence of "something", which implies a "something" to be absent and a "something else" for it to be absent from.
 
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The physical universe, as far as we can tell, is contingent. That is, it can't account for its own existence. Even if the Big Bang was something that arose from quantum fluctuations, those laws of physics are still something, and there's no reason at all that the universe should have THAT set of physics rather than something else. The only answer to this is to say there's always been some sort of non-contingent... something.

What would that be like? Well, there aren't very many good options. One possibility you have some kind of infinite but impersonal cosmic force like the Tao. The other is some sort of all powerful, personal (in the sense of being a person, not necessarily caring about individuals) God.

That's pretty much it. There's not much else that makes sense as being non-contingent.
 
Nothing cannot “exist.” As a standalone concept it is impossible. There must be a something whose absence it denotes. A hole, be it physical or otherwise, can’t exist without something for it to exist in.

In other words, for even “nothing” to exist, there must have been something else.
 
Why is there something instead of nothing?

So that question can be asked.
 
Form is emptiness. Emptiness is form.

Science can prove this. The universe didn't come from nothing, it came from the death of a previous universe. Basically when a previous universe dies, the fluctuations make a singularity from which a new Big Bang occurs. All theories of how a universe dies have this. The Big Crunch slams everything in the universe down to a singularity which makes the energy for a new Big Bang, the Big Rip tears everything apart with ever-increasing acceleration that should produce enough energy to give birth to a new singularity. The heat death meanwhile takes so long that quantum fluctuations will occur and eventually recreate the universe anew.

How did the first universe start? It's possible there never was a first universe since the concept of "time" is meaningless outside of our universe. Or it's possible the universe itself is a divine entity which is eternally born and eternally dies, and cosmological phenomena are just how its life cycle works. This is strangely similar to many religions, which is why I find the probability of a divine entity existing nigh-certain.
 
The universe started from an instability in the previous false vacuum and it will end in a random disturbance of the current false vacuum.
 
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