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Cryogonal2 powiedział(a):
Speaking as someone that was in the show's target demographic when it was airing, I never got this impression, but that's because I had cousins that were teens around that time and they were selfish jerks kinda like the teens in the show. I didn't think "They're saying I'm going to end up like that," I thought "I hope I'm not that lame when I'm a teenager." I can't speak for other people that were kids at the time, but I'm sure a lot of kids with teen siblings or cousins felt about the same way.
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The only people who think that teens are cool are teens themselves, everyone else both older and younger and than them recognizes teens for the miserable little assholes that they are.
 
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Its amazing to me how almost every Indie animation ive recently seen except possibly Costco Fahrenheit has been such uninspired samey muddled garbage, how many of these people aspire and develop skills to be animators, actually make animations and then the fullest extent of their creative output is literally the same boring cringeworthy nonesense. Even mainstream animation has the exact same issue but compounded by {{{nepotism}}} and in group out-of-touch Gen Xers and millennials distilling their political sperging from twitter into media productions. The worst part of it all is that its propped up by a festering mass of maladjusted adults happily consuming and promoting this absolute slop made by other maladjusted adults creating this horrific ouroboros of worsening products, It will only get worse too, I think its emblematic of how much of a dead end our culture is in right now, I'm just wondering when it will just die already so something new with some vitality can grow.
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Animation doesn't have the talent anymore.

Economically speaking, no one has the funds or free time to dedicate to the arts currently, so you are seeing waves of older people already in the industry and kids with rich parents being the target demographic for animation creation. This is compounded with the overall state of entertainment which became an ironclad hub for people within the same in-groups and political think, so you would be wasting your time trying to break in.

Indie animation is mostly held back by its ability to sustain, made worse by the ever changing algorithms and pay scales of YouTube, which keeps implementing new procedures that routinely screw animation. YouTube has 100% moved to slop content as their main income source, rewarding long-form videos that can be churned out once-multiple times a week.

There is an overall feeling of fatigue and apathy to the arts as a whole these days. People who likely could have created something are now being "reasonable" and just giving it up to work a basic desk job that pays the bills, then going home to listen to podcast content because what is on TV isn't worth it.
 
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Mystery Spy powiedział(a):
KND had a weird premise. However, its premise was also its Achilles heel. Kids don't remain below 13 that long. And in that show, only preteens are the cool kid heroes. It's a show whose core audience outgrows fast. Certainly some teenagers watched it, but the show made sure to make crystal clear they were now excluded from the club. It actively guilt trips kids for being too old. We are talking 13-14 year old kids.
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I watched it as a kid and didn't feel guilted or weird about growing up. There were some cool/alright teenagers in the show, even if teens were one of those groups against the KND by and large. There were also kids who stayed KND operatives even as they got older, like Number 5 in the future, and at times they reactivated old agents (like Number 0 in the movie) so they could help the KND. The show itself even criticized the system at times, like with what happened to Number 19th Century being "too old" because he spent hundreds of years frozen in amber (or syrup or whatever thing it actually was, I can't remember now.) idk, I think a 13 year old watching the show would still enjoy it, they're immature enough to watch KND but mature enough to know that it's not literally attacking them, the viewer, for aging.
 
Colon capital V powiedział(a):
Animation may be a dying artform, but that doesn't mean you can't find some diamonds in the rough.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FwFsvx1KfgA
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I was waiting for someone to post this more and talk about it but I guess people didn't care here or didn't wanna piss off the mossad agents. The only person who shared it was months ago saying Null should play it on MATI. I think it's pretty well done. I love the Gmod SFM parodies made for it.
 
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KND had a weird premise.

One thing they did great, that it is a unicorn by today's standards, is that was a show 100% designed to make kids happy first. It’s sad how rare that has become. It was made to make preteen kids feel like cool spies.

Nowadays, you have people like Rebecca Sugar whose main interest is pushing her politics, and never cared about kids that much.

However, its premise was also its Achilles heel. Kids don't remain below 13 that long. And in that show, only preteens are the cool kid heroes. It's a show whose core audience outgrows fast. Certainly some teenagers watched it, but the show made sure to make crystal clear they were now excluded from the club.

It actively guilt trips kids for being too old. We are talking 13-14 year old kids.

Ben 10 had the right idea of aging its main character with the audience, from kid to adulthood. Ben was a superhero.

As good as it was, It had its time and I can see why the network passed on doing a sequel.
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Think it's interesting how it actually developed an overarching story that lead to an explicit conclusion. Cartoon Network shows didn't really do that back then unless they were comic book related. Pretty much the only exception from that time was Ben 10. Went from just poking fun at goofy stereotypes of things kids don't like to having the KND have a secret branch that sent kids across the cosmos to help alien kids.
 
Chromeo powiedział(a):
I think a 13 year old watching the show would still enjoy it, they're immature enough to watch KND but mature enough to know that it's not literally attacking them, the viewer, for aging.
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Cryogonal2 powiedział(a):
Speaking as someone that was in the show's target demographic when it was airing, I never got this impression
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I believe you.

I did acknowledge teenagers kept watching it and enjoy it. My point wasn’t that the show becomes unenjoyable once you turn 13, far from it. KND is peak kid’s show, and we need more shows like it. But, rather that shows like Ben 10 fared better, as in having staying power, by aging with their audience.

Still, I wouldn't take anecdotal evidence as proof that it was universal. Certainly, I do think many kids watched just as usual, like you. But I have a hard time believing it didn’t bother a significant portion of kids. Or that no sibling bothered another about it. Or that it never was an issue in the playground.

If kids waited for their Hogwarts letters, I am sure many others were bothered they were “too old” to be part of their favorite fictional spy agency.

Again, I am not saying KND was bad, that would be missing my point. But while it theoretically can be enjoyed by anyone, it did try to capture and romanticize a part of childhood.

There’s a lot of nostalgia sure, but the core of it was that it tried make kids feel like spies perhaps encourage kids to play as KND agent. That in my opinion was what made it magical for kids. It’s a magical feeling that’s hard to recapture the older you get, even if you can still enjoy the show at any age.
 
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Nameless One powiedział(a):
I just wanna see more stuff like this.
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Such an interesting period in design. The camera movement is held together by gum and tape.

You got a mixture of Vaughn Bode's female designs from the 70s on top of mixed media digital animation that was just starting to kick off, and you can really tell what bodytype was popular in fashion during this time because instead of emphasizing hips and thighs like we do now, the two female leads lean stomachs and shoulders are exaggerated.

I just love self-contained videos like this that feel unique and of their own time.
 
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It's here....
 
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