Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[God of Nothing]

Let's also not forget furrys going crazy over Death. Those people are fully controlled by their libido.

flashgitz clearly didn't make enough furry extermination videos

 

[starborn427614]

Heh.
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I haven’t seen Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, but why is it that out of all the good things I’ve heard about it, the only thing other writers seems to take away from it was the realistic panic attack?

It's funny and easy to make fun of. Personally, the best part of the movie for me was the antagonists. Jack Horner is a legend and Death is genuinely threatening. The bears and Goldilocks were OK.

 

[Newcomer 42]

I think TLW would have gone better with only one villain, max two. Death and Horner were good, but the annoying brat was pushing it and wasting air time that should have been used by the first two, who pretty much step in and step out during the finale. It's also a bit of a miss that Death wasn't able to turn his dual sickles into a scythe.

 

[harmy.kook]

Theorycrafting, "Muh Media Literacy, but Based™"

Cringe. I prefer the Schizophrenic rather than the Culture War for my Theorycrafting.

 

[Scientifically Inaccurate]

Heh.
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I haven’t seen Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, but why is it that out of all the good things I’ve heard about it, the only thing other writers seems to take away from it was the realistic panic attack?

The concept of a character you should look up to and aspire to be like or that was just awesome to watch has died and instead they like having movies affirm their mental illnesses as normal.

Same with Lightyear where Buzz suddenly has to have depression because nothing says the movie that inspired this year's hottest toy on the market quite like depression.

The Last Wish was good, it's just hard not to notice that aspirational/cool heroes have largely died off and the ones they dig up from a decade ago keep getting hit with this stuff. It's not enough to have the usual third act low point where everyone refuses to look at each other and says something about it being hopeless, nope, gotta be MeNtAl HeAlTh CrIsIs.

It's funny and easy to make fun of. Personally, the best part of the movie for me was the antagonists. Jack Horner is a legend and Death is genuinely threatening. The bears and Goldilocks were OK.

The best part of that movie was the joke at the very end where Jack is such a horrible person without a single redeeming trait that he drives the Jiminy Cricket parody to murder to get rid of him.

I was actually hoping for a worse death for Jack, he was so terrible he needed more on the level of Scar being torn apart by hyenas.

 

[Chromeo]

They're insecure.

I feel like they live in some kind of alternate reality where all children's media is bullshit fluff like The Little Clowns of Happytown, where it's all over-sanitized fluff that nobody actually likes. They seem to forget, however, that even concurrent cartoons of the time were shitting on that type of programming:

The insecurity is right-on, it's like they're pre-emptively defending themselves liking a kids show by hyping up the Fritz elements and downplaying the Barney elements, so to speak.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Why are old cartoons so gemmy? They make so little sense at times and are so unhinged, specially Fleischer toons, but they are so well-drawn and creative. Even old Disney stuff like the headless horseman is great.

Whimsy. Seriously.

I hate the cartoon nerd cope that the childrens media they watch is actually super dark and not really for kids. I watched Puss in Boots when it was in theater, and I liked it, but it's definitely for kids. Why is that so hard for them to admit?

We used to have family films that weren't afraid to get gritty and dirty with real shit like violence, some blood, peril and death, existentialism, cause-and-effect, curvy women, all that good stuff to teach kids valuable life lessons. If it was a teensy bit more extreme, it got that PG rating. PG got sterilized to the point parent groups actually freaked the fuck out over Rango being a proper PG instead of PG-13. That was 15 years ago.

Audiences essentially have forgotten what it means to be a "family picture", as in "for the whole family's enjoyment".

 

[MazonLabs Recruitment Rep]

Just in case nobody posted this one at some point. Very funny and unhinged young Jim Reardon while still in animation school. Sound design is fuckin peak too.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I was going to ask "remember when gumball was a relatable show that delt with the simple things like getting the little sister's doll back from the school bully who was a trex?" Or dealing with kids who drove you mad with frustration while grocery shopping?


But as it turns out this happened in the show BEFORE the the decisive new season/reboot. From the episode where we first met Nicole's parents.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I feel like they live in some kind of alternate reality where all children's media is bullshit fluff like The Little Clowns of Happytown, where it's all over-sanitized fluff that nobody actually likes.

That isn't an alternate reality my friend, that's the reality that zoomer and alpha nuhumans live in right now. Kids shows are 100% brain tumor shit like CocoMelon and anything more mature than Bluey is secretly made for adults.

We used to have family films that weren't afraid to get gritty and dirty with real shit like violence, some blood, peril and death, existentialism, cause-and-effect, curvy women, all that good stuff to teach kids valuable life lessons. If it was a teensy bit more extreme, it got that PG rating. PG got sterilized to the point parent groups actually freaked the fuck out over Rango being a proper PG instead of PG-13. That was 15 years ago.

Audiences essentially have forgotten what it means to be a "family picture", as in "for the whole family's enjoyment".

What Kari said here is correct, for the current generations you're a little tiny baby until you're 21 and then suddenly you're expected to be an adult.

I was going to ask "remember when gumball was a relatable show that delt with the simple things like getting the little sister's doll back from the school bully who was a trex?" Or dealing with kids who drove you mad with frustration while grocery shopping?

No, I remember that show always being an acid trip.

 

[Purple fur Pomeranian]

anything more mature than Bluey is secretly made for adults.

There are plenty of people on Youtube and Tictok that will claim that Bluey is more geared towards adults than children.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

There are plenty of people on Youtube and Tictok that will claim that Bluey is more geared towards adults than children.

Oh, I'm aware.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Same with Lightyear where Buzz suddenly has to have depression because nothing says the movie that inspired this year's hottest toy on the market quite like depression.

Ugh, that movie. No wonder he was sad, he failed 12 times a task with a 90% chance of success, literally impossible, and he was slowly but surely being replaced by the le quirky girl protagonist. I felt it was in bad faith that instead of learning that his method isn't working and trying smarter, he just... Gives up.

The best part of that movie was the joke at the very end where Jack is such a horrible person without a single redeeming trait that he drives the Jiminy Cricket parody to murder to get rid of him.

That guy kinda felt like a jab at Disney at how they can't make villains anymore, even now.

We used to have family films that weren't afraid to get gritty and dirty with real shit like violence, some blood, peril and death, existentialism, cause-and-effect, curvy women, all that good stuff to teach kids valuable life lessons.

Wasn't Watership Down considered a family movie once?

No, I remember that show always being an acid trip.

While western works got progressively worse, Gumball more or less stayed consistent.

 

[Trilby]

We used to have family films that weren't afraid to get gritty and dirty with real shit like violence, some blood, peril and death, existentialism, cause-and-effect, curvy women, all that good stuff to teach kids valuable life lessons. If it was a teensy bit more extreme, it got that PG rating. PG got sterilized to the point parent groups actually freaked the fuck out over Rango being a proper PG instead of PG-13. That was 15 years ago.

Thank God I lived through the 1980's.

Audiences essentially have forgotten what it means to be a "family picture", as in "for the whole family's enjoyment".

Yep, now it's babysitting fodder while the parents zone out.

Just in case nobody posted this one at some point. Very funny and unhinged young Jim Reardon while still in animation school. Sound design is fuckin peak too.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=A15v4tTab0Y

Art school was a good time to do it in. The co-creator of Eek! The Cat made this.

That isn't an alternate reality my friend, that's the reality that zoomer and alpha nuhumans live in right now. Kids shows are 100% brain tumor shit like CocoMelon and anything more mature than Bluey is secretly made for adults.

Sad.

What Kari said here is correct, for the current generations you're a little tiny baby until you're 21 and then suddenly you're expected to be an adult.

Very sad.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Audiences essentially have forgotten what it means to be a "family picture", as in "for the whole family's enjoyment".

Don't make me tap the sign again.

Ugh, that movie. No wonder he was sad, he failed 12 times a task with a 90% chance of success, literally impossible, and he was slowly but surely being replaced by the le quirky girl protagonist. I felt it was in bad faith that instead of learning that his method isn't working and trying smarter, he just... Gives up.

"Oh my God, Buzz! Why can't you accept that we'll never get home and most people think we're dead?"

 

[Newcomer 42]

"Oh my God, Buzz! Why can't you accept that we'll never get home and most people think we're dead?"

It's much more vile than that. Buzz gets so desperate to accomplish his mission that he became evil in one timeline and threatened to cause a paradox to do this, and the "answer" is to give up. Nevermind than that damn cat didn't make a copy of his findings just to cause drama. Or how that machine is seemingly perpetual and lasted for decades without maintenance. Or how there's a mixed lesbian couple shoved in for woke points, and whose adopted child treats Buzz like a loser because fuck you. Or how the ending makes Buzz's ordeal a fucking joke by casually revealing that the planet could make spaceships at any second and call Earth.

It was a painfully bad movie. But I don't recall Buzz getting into a depression, if only because he never stopped trying.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Got recommended this on youtube a new pac man web short, it's been out for 3 days an nobody's talking about it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ul7VVZrc7Lg
I'm only a few seconds into a 3 minute short so I'm not sure what to make of it yet, the comments are calling it peak but i can trust youtube comments as far as I can throw them. I'll say this it looks way better (animation wise that is) than pac man and the ghostly adventures.

So this is my issue with writers when they try to make "comedy" in animation.

Pac-Man is dialoguing to himself and the grumpy lady next door complains about it. Fine, cute, I can deal with that and see how that would be funny. But then the "joke" get's reused again when the Wizard shows up. And then it gets reused again when he butt-bounces outside. It's as if whoever wrote the first scene was so fucking proud of themselves that they had to insert it everywhere else after that. Either that, or young people's memories are just so fucking short these days that if a joke isn't repeated 8734563645786547 times they won't retain it in their minds. My point is that it wasn't necessary to shove the same joke in the show multiple times in short bursts.

Also the pink ghost takes a selfie with a polaroid camera.... no I give up, I'm fucking done.

 

[Trilby]

So this is my issue with writers when they try to make "comedy" in animation.

Pac-Man is dialoguing to himself and the grumpy lady next door complains about it. Fine, cute, I can deal with that and see how that would be funny. But then the "joke" get's reused again when the Wizard shows up. And then it gets reused again when he butt-bounces outside. It's as if whoever wrote the first scene was so fucking proud of themselves that they had to insert it everywhere else after that. Either that, or young people's memories are just so fucking short these days that if a joke isn't repeated 8734563645786547 times they won't retain it in their minds. My point is that it wasn't necessary to shove the same joke in the show multiple times in short bursts.

Also the pink ghost takes a selfie with a polaroid camera.... no I give up, I'm fucking done.

How I feel after this too.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

It's much more vile than that. Buzz gets so desperate to accomplish his mission that he became evil in one timeline and threatened to cause a paradox to do this, and the "answer" is to give up. Nevermind than that damn cat didn't make a copy of his findings just to cause drama. Or how that machine is seemingly perpetual and lasted for decades without maintenance.

Even though Buzz's entire motivation is to ensure everyone on the colony gets to go home instead of being lost in space, I think there's only like, one scene that actually hints that their resources are limited. Even then, it's used as yet another way to convince Buzz to stop trying to find a way home.

Or how there's a mixed lesbian couple shoved in for woke points, and whose adopted child treats Buzz like a loser because fuck you.

The thing is it's not a bad idea on paper. Buzz never got to be there for his best friend when she was on her deathbed, so now he has a second chance to make up for it by ensuring her granddaughter gets to be a space ranger like her grandmother was. Unfortunately, the movie doesn't really do anything to explore this kind of relationship. Like the example mentioned above, the concept is only brought up during a single scene when Buzz chooses not to go with Zurg's plan to ensure the granddaughter isn't erased from history.

Also the pink ghost takes a selfie with a polaroid camera.... no I give up, I'm fucking done.

How I feel after this too.

People, people. It could always be worse.

 

[Starman John]

By the way, Adult Swin uploaded the Elephant special on YouTube.