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I would have picked Rogal Dorn because he was the most loyal primarch and he completely trusted in the Emperor's plan. No doubts in his mind like Horus. But maybe not the best leader
That's kind of the problem though. Rogal Dorn could lead his legion with no issue. Could he lead his brothers? Fuck no. Horus was actually able to tardwrangle the rest of the primarchs(except maybe alpharius but that's just whatever with that legion). Sanguinius was too much of a goody two-shoes like Snekposter said, Vulkan wouldn't have been able to make the tough decisions necessary. None of them would have been willing to listen to Angron, Curze, Guilliman, Lorgar, Magnus, Mortarion, Russ, The Khan. Fulgrim had his head too far up his own ass. Ferrus Manus didn't have the humanity that Horus did. The Lion was too much of a jerk off, and Corax would have likely not been interested.
Corax was a legit political radical thanks to his upbringing on Deliverance. He never really forgave Emps for that first impression where all his men involuntarily bent the knee to him as a result of his psychic aura, and he despised anything that smacked of slavery or totalitarianism. He was never really comfortable with some of things he and his Legion were forced to do and tolerate during the Great Crusade, and had the Heresy not broken out he no doubt would have pushed hard for liberalization once things started winding down. If he was Warmaster Imperial Compliance would have had mandatory abolition and some form of democratic representation, and he would have used his status to push for the Senatorum Imperialis to have some actual legal power instead of just being fancy lobbyists.
Aesthetics question, a painting question, and a rules question I might have asked before.
Rules question.
OPR Grimdark Future has weapons and units given different names from 40k. Usually the replacement is obvious either from the name or the rules. (eg. Laser machine gun = multi-laser, Fusion Gun = melta) A lot of guard HDF units have "drum rifle" and I can't figure what that's supposed to be. Rules wise, it sacrifices a little range for extra attacks. The closest I can find is a vollygun, but that's limited to elites in 40k. My assumption is that it's some flavour of SMG.
I should note that veteran companies can take shotguns in OPR, but that doesn't appear to be an option in current 40k.
Aesthetics question.
Digging out my minis for the 1000pt OPR/Grimdark Future game. I have plenty, but also not enough of a single thing to make a coherent army. Some stuff even appears to be missing. eg. I think I built 10 of my Stargrave troopers, but can only find 5. I have a bunch of my cannon fodder, but they're on 25mm bases from different manufacturers. Some are on GW, some are on Warlord.
Point is, I might have to buy some minis to fill out my army short term. And I want your opinions.
I like the professional army look so I'm going in that direction. Considering using my cannon fodder/penal legion as backup.
(images not my models)
Option 1: Ooh Rahs
My current favourite, but depend on availability. They are fake Colonial Marines, which is what Cadians are. 24 in a box, just over £1 per mini. The poses include a lot of 1 handed poses, which can look a little odd as seen above. But I assume went ranked up it's not noticeable? Standard weapon is pulse rifle, with options for a smart gun like heavy weapon, SMG, sniper rifles, and pistols.
Option 2: Stargrave Troopers
Cheapest on the list. £1 per mini, and includes bases. The models are fun to put together. The poses are a bit flat (eg. look at rocket launcher guy). Weapons are rifles, smgs, RPG, DMR, and some kind of heavy machine gun. Problem is they look extremely similar (aside from the RPG) so will need paint to pick them out.
How I paint this will greatly effect the look.
Painting Question.
Heard it said professional military minis are easy to paint because you spray them a colour, paint any skin and you're done. I've not experienced this myself. I've seen this with tanks as everything is a single colour, you just paint the tracks and then it's onto weathering, but when painting Bolt Action infantry that wasn't the case. Helmets, webbing, guns, gear, all had to painted. And that before we get into the topic of camo. What's your experience? Does it actually work? Does it give good results?
Corax was a legit political radical thanks to his upbringing on Deliverance. He never really forgave Emps for that first impression where all his men involuntarily bent the knee to him as a result of his psychic aura, and he despised anything that smacked of slavery or totalitarianism. He was never really comfortable with some of things he and his Legion were forced to do and tolerate during the Great Crusade, and had the Heresy not broken out he no doubt would have pushed hard for liberalization once things started winding down. If he was Warmaster Imperial Compliance would have had mandatory abolition and some form of democratic representation, and he would have used his status to push for the Senatorum Imperialis to have some actual legal power instead of just being fancy lobbyists.
So... not interested in doing what the emperor wanted lol. I never said he was incompetent, and could actually get his brothers to listen to shit while being effective as a military leader, it's just that as you said he wouldn't have been interested in the job. Aside from the "lulzomgstealthyboi" he was actually closer to Guilliman in terms of general disposition than probably most of the rest of the imperium(guilliman didn't like all of the methods used by the imperium either, and kept his destroyers in reserve until long after the heresy had already started and they went on their roadtrip to Davin with The Lion and Sanguinious). Without having the bleeding heart of Vulkan.
Painting Question.
Heard it said professional military minis are easy to paint because you spray them a colour, paint any skin and you're done. I've not experienced this myself. I've seen this with tanks as everything is a single colour, you just paint the tracks and then it's onto weathering, but when painting Bolt Action infantry that wasn't the case. Helmets, webbing, guns, gear, all had to painted. And that before we get into the topic of camo. What's your experience? Does it actually work? Does it give good results?
At smaller scales, sure it works. At 28-32mm scale? Looks like shit... It's always going to look lazy, decent armor(as in tanks and shit) paintjobs have a lot of shading to go along with the weathering and other detail work. For infantry, yeah if everyone is in a plain tan uniform you could start with a tan primer and save a lot of work but you're still small bits, just figure out how to do it in as few colors as possible(soldiers in full kit don't look like rainbows) and have things sharing colors so long as they contrast(doesn't have to be extreme) against whatever it is they're next to.
Tan uniforms? Pick a darker brown for all of the extraneous crap like combat knives, grenades on webbing, canteens, etc. Just avoid worrying about grenade pins(unless dude is holding one making it more of a point of interest on the model), canteen caps, magazine catches, etc. since you aren't entering a painting competition(if you really wanted to paint like that you probably wouldn't be asking).
Could even paint a test model black, hit it with a gray dry brush and see what details you can actually spot from 3-5 feet.
Heard it said professional military minis are easy to paint because you spray them a colour, paint any skin and you're done. I've not experienced this myself. I've seen this with tanks as everything is a single colour, you just paint the tracks and then it's onto weathering, but when painting Bolt Action infantry that wasn't the case. Helmets, webbing, guns, gear, all had to painted. And that before we get into the topic of camo. What's your experience? Does it actually work? Does it give good results?
A lot of guard HDF units have "drum rifle" and I can't figure what that's supposed to be. Rules wise, it sacrifices a little range for extra attacks. The closest I can find is a vollygun, but that's limited to elites in 40k. My assumption is that it's some flavour of SMG.
I'd go with the Ooh Rah. Also if you/someone you know have a 3D printer, they made STLs to flesh out their Death Fields ranges and the Ooh Rah have snipers and armored elites if you want to go all in on them.
There's a real impression that he has no idea of how Chaos even corrupts people. The whole time he thinks one of his subordinates intentionally betrayed him, when anybody with a working knowledge of chaos would know it corrupts to the bone.
That's because Horus has no idea what Chaos really is. At this point in the story, nobody in the Imperium does except for the Emperor, Malcador, the Word Bearers, and a few people who've seen some of it for themselves and know it's not to be fucked with, even if they can't name it (Custodes and SoS, Ferrus, the Stormseers, the Alpha Legion).
That was the problem in Horus Rising; the interex were worried that the Luna Wolves were already Chaos-corrupted, and then one of them found out that Loken had no clue what he was talking about when he brought it up. The Emperor was so determined not to give Chaos a foothold that he set up the Imperial Truth and told everyone that Warp entities are just undirected bursts of thought and emotion, and pretty much everyone in the Imperium bought it. Horus knows more because he's been let in on some of the truth, but even then he thinks of it as small-c chaos. He doesn't know about the Chaos gods and he doesn't truly understand what Chaos is and what it's capable of, even when Temba tells him. If the Emperor had been even a little more open with his sons about what they were up against, Horus probably wouldn't have fallen. Of course, then we don't have a story.
So... not interested in doing what the emperor wanted lol. I never said he was incompetent, and could actually get his brothers to listen to shit while being effective as a military leader, it's just that as you said he wouldn't have been interested in the job. Aside from the "lulzomgstealthyboi" he was actually closer to Guilliman in terms of general disposition than probably most of the rest of the imperium(guilliman didn't like all of the methods used by the imperium either, and kept his destroyers in reserve until long after the heresy had already started and they went on their roadtrip to Davin with The Lion and Sanguinious). Without having the bleeding heart of Vulkan.
In terms of "Get his brothers to listen" there's only one who could corral Fulgrim and Angron and still get the good guys like Sangy, G-Man and Corvus Corax to respect him. At the end of the day no matter how loved or respected each of the Primarchs only one of them could command the obedience, grudging or otherwise, of his nineteenseventeen brothers.
In terms of "Get his brothers to listen" there's only one who could corral Fulgrim and Angron and still get the good guys like Sangy, G-Man and Corvus Corax to respect him. At the end of the day no matter how loved or respected each of the Primarchs only one of them could command the obedience, grudging or otherwise, of his nineteenseventeen brothers.
Which is what I said. Getting the loyalist primarchs in line would have been easy, even a handful of the traitors. The rest needed tardwrangling and only Horus could have done that.
Rules question.
OPR Grimdark Future has weapons and units given different names from 40k. Usually the replacement is obvious either from the name or the rules. (eg. Laser machine gun = multi-laser, Fusion Gun = melta) A lot of guard HDF units have "drum rifle" and I can't figure what that's supposed to be. Rules wise, it sacrifices a little range for extra attacks. The closest I can find is a vollygun, but that's limited to elites in 40k. My assumption is that it's some flavour of SMG.
I should note that veteran companies can take shotguns in OPR, but that doesn't appear to be an option in current 40k.
Drumfed Autogun is the 40k equivalent OPR was trying to represent but if you have some of the older IG figures or proxies if there is a bolter or not-bolter then that works out nicely, Veterans with shotguns are a reference to old 40k (they even had a "heavy" tank for the malcador before the dorn was a thing) but nowadays its to represent some of the odd duck human units like the Navis Armsmen or the Krieger Engineers. Killteams for the most part won't have 1:1 representation because of how varied their loadouts can be.
don't hate him because he's a genius, nigger
maybe if you got some grey in your brain matter, you'd get some sororitas on your dick
or better yet girlyman will call on your hater-ass if he ever stop fucking with that knife-ear or "aledar" he fucking with
niiiggeeeer
trying to properly expand on the supposed golden age of the setting was clearly a mistake
especially when the best your writers could do was make it just as dystopian but clearly performing better over actually being better
trying to properly expand on the supposed golden age of the setting was clearly a mistake
especially when the best your writers could do was make it just as dystopian but clearly performing better over actually being better
either or really
40,000 was supposed to be the dark age
turns out it always like that
being a shithole and barely surviving is worse than being a shithole and winning sure but that's like dying of cancer vs fighting off a never ending cancer
If the Emperor had been even a little more open with his sons about what they were up against, Horus probably wouldn't have fallen. Of course, then we don't have a story.
People repeat this mantra but it's absolutely false. The primarchs had bitter rivalries, delusions of grandeur and overconfidence in their abilities. Telling them how there are sources of infinite energy that will grant their every wish, would absolutely have led a good chunk of them to think they can outsmart those forces or that it worth the cost and be enslaved to them.
Magnus is the best example of how he got outplayed despite both knowing about Chaos and being repeatedly warned not to engage with it.
Guilliman is doing a decent enough job as supreme commander of a profoundly weaker imperium of man that's way harder to govern. He probably would have made a decent warmaster.
Guilliman is doing a decent enough job as supreme commander of a profoundly weaker imperium of man that's way harder to govern. He probably would have made a decent warmaster.
I think the 4 Primarchs in the running for Warmaster were Horus, Guilliman, Ferrus, and Sanguinius. Guiliman just wasn't trusted by the Emperor because of Ultramar, and like others said, he wouldn't have been able to wrangle his brothers like Horus or Sanguinius could have. We see that after the Siege of Terra, where the remaining Loyalist Primarchs are doing their own thing and only grudingly listen to Guilliman when he tries to get them to focus on an objective.
Guilliman is doing a decent enough job as supreme commander of a profoundly weaker imperium of man that's way harder to govern. He probably would have made a decent warmaster.
It's not about ability, it's about who's worth following. No one was gonna follow Guilliman across the stars at that time. Hell they're still bitching about the guy and how he busted up their legions.
I think the 4 Primarchs in the running for Warmaster were Horus, Guilliman, Ferrus, and Sanguinius. Guiliman just wasn't trusted by the Emperor because of Ultramar, and like others said, he wouldn't have been able to wrangle his brothers like Horus or Sanguinius could have. We see that after the Siege of Terra, where the remaining Loyalist Primarchs are doing their own thing and only grudingly listen to Guilliman when he tries to get them to focus on an objective.
Gillman is the Gaussian meme, 99% of people would believe every word he says, but anyone dumb/smart enough would realize he is full of bullshit and actively enjoys the political game rather than just be honest, which unfortunately for the Imperium includes all the primarchs and most of the astartes. They'd probably sooner have followed Lorgar, at least if he wasn't a complete pussy. There's not a lot of other choice candidates, the Lion and Perturabo were too autistic to be in command. Rogal was too stiff. Ferrus and Fulgrim were probably second after Horus and Sang, for having both good martial skills and respect by their brothers.
