USA election 2016

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who should be president?


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lol The US is so screwed...
We have one thing going for us, politically speaking - a completely non-functional Congress that doesn't look to be getting any better. No new laws getting passed generally leads to less fuckery. Filibuster, pass a budget, stage a sit in and go home for the holidays. Rinse and repeat.

Antipathy is the country's only salvation at this point.
 
We have one thing going for us, politically speaking - a completely non-functional Congress that doesn't look to be getting any better. No new laws getting passed generally leads to less fuckery. Filibuster, pass a budget, stage a sit in and go home for the holidays. Rinse and repeat.

Antipathy is the country's only salvation at this point.
But isn't an apathetic congress leading to what you're describing here?
I feel like people REALLY need to get involved with local politics if they want to make a change from the ground up. Otherwise it's just the same jockeying for power/prestige.
 
But isn't an apathetic congress leading to what you're describing here?
Absolutely, yes.

I feel like people REALLY need to get involved with local politics if they want to make a change from the ground up. Otherwise it's just the same jockeying for power/prestige.
This is the key - the vast majority of Americans do not want change unless that change conforms to their own personal laundry list of desires. If you take it as a given that the loudest elements of each party are the ones most likely to get the grease, it is in the interest of the majority of both parties to continue with the status quo of passing budgets, meaningless legislation and a judge or two per session, while spending the remaining time bickering and posturing.

I believe this is actually a great thing about our representative republic, when seemingly everything is divided down the middle, the whack jobs on the fringes are unable to promote any new legislation successfully. With the current climate, house majorities are temporary and super majorities are impossible. Thus, guns are safe, abortion is safe, ensuring legislative changes to two of the most important issues today don't get fucked with and set people rampaging into the streets.

In our political system, you need to build consensus in order to effect change. With the way the electorate is currently, that appears to be impossible so limbo will have to do for the time being.
 
Given America's political system, a vote for any party besides Democrat or Republican is figuratively throwing your vote away. A 3rd party hasn't had more than 5% of the vote in nearly a century. If you think -this- is the year that'll change, you're sadly mistaken.

I consider myself centre-right, perhaps an old-fashioned republican in American political terms. I like some conservative values, but I hate how right wing politics have set about appeasing the militantly religious and the terminally stupid that ignore science. I personally don't give a shit who is elected, and since my actual political choice isn't an option I refuse to vote.

I'd vote to rescind American independence, and to return to part of the United Kingdom. America should've remained British, and the revolution was perhaps the worst thing to happen to the world in the past Millenia.
 
Given America's political system, a vote for any party besides Democrat or Republican is figuratively throwing your vote away. A 3rd party hasn't had more than 5% of the vote in nearly a century. If you think -this- is the year that'll change, you're sadly mistaken.
Just a correction: Ross Perot got almost 20% in 1992.
 
Republican establishment are a joke. They failed to see what their voters want, and then complain that voters have chosen Trump above others.

, but I hate how right wing politics have set about appeasing the militantly religious and the terminally stupid that ignore science.
both parties ignore science when science says something they don't like. If you disagree, you are a latent democrat really, come out of closet, bro.

Russian intolerance of homosexuality is detestable, but we are better poised to deal with these country's human rights violations when we are friendly than when we are adversarial.
if you care about gays (sure, gays sometimes get killed in Russia, but in Russia they kill you for lulz regardless of your sexual orientation, really) start with these Saudi (capital punishment for gays), UAE, Bahrain and Qatar whackos, who funded ISIS where they officially throw gays from buildings.

Unfortunately, US cannot criticize these whackos, because if whey do, these whackos will ally with Russia and/or China and remove funds from US.

Having good relations with Putin puts China into place and allows us to negotiate these things we want for Russia's people.
US politicians are interested in US citizens votes, money and nothing else. As there is much more US voters who came from Eastern Europe who are pissed at Russia, than US voters who came from Russia, US politicians will threaten Russia to win votes. If you want to help Russia, you have to create something which is clearly run by American people not its corrupt elite.

Trump of course. It will help to fight PC everywhere in the world. Mudslimes must be stopped.
Obama says that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism.
Merkel says that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism.
Putin says that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Did you even think Putin has something common with Democratic Obama?
It's the same disease everywhere.
 
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both parties ignore science when science says something they don't like. If you disagree, you are a latent democrat really, come out of closet, bro.
I hate both parties. Left wing is so concerned about hurting anyone's feefees that they end up dictating how people can act. Right wing is so concerned with looking to the past they never want to advance to the future.

Democrats are whigning bleeding-heart authoritarians, Republicans are emotionless blowhard fascists that see other humans as little more than livestock and commodities.
 
I hate both parties. Left wing is so concerned about hurting anyone's feefees that they end up dictating how people can act. Right wing is so concerned with looking to the past they never want to advance to the future.

Democrats are whigning bleeding-heart authoritarians, Republicans are emotionless blowhard fascists that see other humans as little more than livestock and commodities.
You are latent dem after all. Dems are concerned exclusively with protecting protected classes' feelings. List of protected classes might change slightly with time, but it's not important. They turn white cisheterosexual males into scapegoats for all injustices in life.
They treat some classes as subhuman and intentionally insult them: islamophobes, vouyerists, pedophiles, racists, xenophobes, vegetarians (even though some want to add them to protected classes list), Russians, etc. etc. well pretty much anyone who disagrees with them.
 
You are latent dem after all. Dems are concerned exclusively with protecting protected classes' feelings. List of protected classes might change slightly with time, but it's not important. They turn white cisheterosexual males into scapegoats for all injustices in life.
They treat some classes as subhuman and intentionally insult them: islamophobes, vouyerists, pedophiles, racists, xenophobes, vegetarians (even though some want to add them to protected classes list), Russians, etc. etc. well pretty much anyone who disagrees with them.

Well, I disagree. Dems like vegetarians and vouyerists, because hippie-dippy and sex.

Pretty much I see (broadly speaking), the Left as wanting to help people and protect the environment and make sure everyone is equal and has a chance. On the Right (broadly speaking), they believe "only the strong" should win, and if you aren't strong or have what it takes to succeed, you don't deserve success. Dems and GOPers have become the respective parties for both philosophies, but both are very, very flawed vehicles for them. Pretty much, both work for the wealthy and special interests to exploit people, resources, the environment and religion to the benefit of business and the wealthy at all costs. The system is rigged, but only in the sense that third parties and independents are kind of quashed down in favor of the Big Two, and that reality is entrenched in the system we have. Institutionalized corruption is the norm. At least the Dems give the pretense that they care about the little guy, and some in the party even believe it. GOPers hardly ever bother with that fiction (unless they need some easy votes).

The Crash of 2008 has laid bare the reality that the "American Dream," that it can be had by anyone willing to work hard and play straight, is a more or less a lie, and maybe it always was. But after the Crash, everything soured as people saw first hand, and maybe for the first time, that the "dream" they've counted on is more than a little bit bullshit. Bullshit spoon-fed to them by both parties to keep the country distracted while the special interests tightened their grip for a century.

Breaking that grip will take way, way more than a vote for or against Clinton or Trump.
 
Why I'm Voting Trump:

* Clinton did not support the civil rights movement or the ideals of Martin Luther Kind Jr. She fought AGAINST it.

* Many politicians are liars, but Hillary more-so. She went from conservative liberal to the far left in this election to appeal to the millennial vote.

* Clinton should be in PRISON for her email scandal. Any other American would have been seized by the FBI. Way to show your patriotism America, not even acknowledging when a federal law is broken.

* Married to a convicted rapist. Has yet to justify that.

* Hillary has similar ideals to education as Bill did. She believes in the "No Child Left Behind Act" (luckily overturned by Obama), and the standardized testing system. Both of which have destroyed American education for children.

* In every state that Clinton won the primaries, there was voter fraud suspected. Nothing was done. It was hushed hushed and Sanders was pushed to the back. She uses her money and she is extremely corrupt.

* Negligence to American deaths in Benghazi.

* Self-proclaimed feminist, yet willingly takes donations from Saudi Arabia.

* Practically funded ISIS.

* Uses the woman card to cater to uneducated/uninterested/undecided voters.

* Lizard queen.

I don't just dislike Clinton for running for president, I genuinely dislike her slimy character and behavior.
 
Shit, at least Johnson will hopefully NOT get us involved in any more shit in the Middle East. It'd be great if we had someone that gave a legitimate shit about what goes on within our borders and not the borders of some far flung pain in the ass third world shithole.
 
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