USA election 2016

[Null]

I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary. She really doesn't impress me all that much, but Trump so disgusts me that I just want to make sure he doesn't win. The guy reminds me of Richard Nixon. He's too thin-skinned, he's creepy, and his bromance with Putin disturbs me. And the less said about Pence, the better.

So just to play devil's advocate, since I'm basically his PR agent at this point.

creepy

Subjective.

thin-skinned

Putin

bromance

Putin doesn't want war with the United States.
Clinton wants war with Iran and Russia.

The Obama administration blew their load early and blamed all of Wikileak's sources on Kremlin (Russian) hacks. They don't know this, but they're saying it precisely to embed this idea that Russia is trying to implant Trump as President for some reason. Even if they are, it's probably to maintain peace.

Consider this. China is becoming Imperialist. They've staked claims on 3 ally's properties. An island east of South Korea. An island chain south of Okinawa belonging to Japan. Maritime borders and islands north in the Philippines. Obama has said that we will defend our allies against Chinese claims.

Russia is a bigger military threat to us than China, but China is a bigger economic threat to America than Russia. Putin would prefer a balance of power in which the three superpowers were willing to work with each other instead of just demeaning one another as being pure evil. Chinese censorship is detestable, Russian intolerance of homosexuality is detestable, but we are better poised to deal with these country's human rights violations when we are friendly than when we are adversarial. Having good relations with Putin puts China into place and allows us to negotiate these things we want for Russia's people.

Conversely, the Saudi's royal family is bragging that they estimate 20% of Clinton's campaign cash comes from them. That is overt influence on American politics and their motivation is clear. Clinton has enabled Saudi Arabia to get away with everything they want. Despite burying women to their necks in sand and stoning them to death for the crime of being raped ("adultery") and executing gays by throwing them off buildings, Saudi Arabia has somehow weaseled its way into the head of the UN's Human Rights committee and has secured an alliance with the US after funding al-Queada's attacks on New York City.

So sure Putin's bad but Saudi Arabia is objectively worse and I value peace with Putin more than I value peace with the house of Saud.

(Addendum: With all this blame going towards Russia, how do you think a President Clinton is going to treat Russia in Foreign Relations after all this hell they've given her by exposing the truth? "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.")

 

[Very Honest Content]

Then again if I recall correctly Romney was like ahead of Obama in 2008 and we know how that turned out.

'Not a hero because he was captured' John McCain is the memory you're looking for or the year 2012 election but no, you are incorrect on that recollection.

Do you actually want to explain what the problem is or is it not your job to educate shitlords like us?

Governor eliminated early voting days, refused to extend registration due to a hurricane causing a declared state of emergency on the deadline to register date and the head of elections is notorious for false disqualifications from the voter rolls due to purges that catch similar names to convicted felons in them and result in innocent people otherwise properly registered to vote not being able to on election day at the polls. But you could have looked into all that yourself if you were really worried about disenfranchisement in the state too . . .

Anyway, OP, I'm with . But I get to vote for legalizing the medical weed and as long as that gets through I can smoke eight years away on the great shit and it'll be gone before I know it if Mike Pence is running this thing while Donald tries to creep on his own daughter. If Donald had chosen Vince McMahon Jr. for his VP I would have voted that ticket with my eyes clenched close and lied to everyone who asked me after the fact but he didn't so he lost my support at that very instant because I lost my chance at heel Vince cutting promos on other countries that piss off his tag team partner.

 

[Chiang Kai-shek]

'Not a hero because he was captured' John McCain is the memory you're looking for or the year 2012 election but no, you are incorrect on that recollection.

Actually I meant to type 2012 instead of 2008 since I was referring to Mitt Romney's doomed campaign.

 

[AnOminous]

What happens in America? What happens to the presidential candidate who looses the election. Where do they stand in their party and do they still hold a position?

It depends on the context, how they lose, and who they lose to. If Hillary loses this to Trump, she's fucking finished. Same for Trump, because they will have both managed to engineer a total disaster for their respective parties, who will hate their guts forevermore.

So this one is basically a duel to the death. The loser is politically dead.

Sometimes a candidate is just a sacrificial lamb, though, the party nominating them never had any real hope of winning, so they don't get blamed for it.

 

[kenham]

The electoral college is shit and anyone who defends it is an idiot.

Are there actually any parties explicitely including introducing a proportional voting system in their platform? I imagine the Democrats/Republicans aren't very fond of such notions, considering their profiteering of the current broken system...

 

[Very Honest Content]

Are there actually any parties explicitly including introducing a proportional voting system in their platform? I imagine the Democrats/Republicans aren't very fond of such notions, considering their profiteering of the current broken system...

LOL, no. It's not the parties who are necessarily the problem being against such a thing IMO, it's the money interests financing both of them already that don't want to bother having to financially guide the legislation lines by buying yet another party in each of the 50 states+territories to continue to control the process at every level possible for their own benefit.

I'm also not 100% sold this is the end of either party regardless of even a landslide result either way. House seat gerrymandering at the state level will keep the lower chamber of the legislative branch pretty safely where it is now, maybe you'll see a Senate tie, mid-term elections will favor Republicans in two years just on voting trends. If Republicans lose the executive branch election and then can't reconfigure in time for a 2020 victory, then I'd say they're going the way of the Whig party they replaced due to not adapting with a changing demographic electorite.

 

[Mrs Paul]

So just to play devil's advocate, since I'm basically his PR agent at this point.


Subjective.

Putin doesn't want war with the United States.
Clinton wants war with Iran and Russia.

The Obama administration blew their load early and blamed all of Wikileak's sources on Kremlin (Russian) hacks. They don't know this, but they're saying it precisely to embed this idea that Russia is trying to implant Trump as President for some reason. Even if they are, it's probably to maintain peace.

Consider this. China is becoming Imperialist. They've staked claims on 3 ally's properties. An island east of South Korea. An island chain south of Okinawa belonging to Japan. Maritime borders and islands north in the Philippines. Obama has said that we will defend our allies against Chinese claims.

Russia is a bigger military threat to us than China, but China is a bigger economic threat to America than Russia. Putin would prefer a balance of power in which the three superpowers were willing to work with each other instead of just demeaning one another as being pure evil. Chinese censorship is detestable, Russian intolerance of homosexuality is detestable, but we are better poised to deal with these country's human rights violations when we are friendly than when we are adversarial. Having good relations with Putin puts China into place and allows us to negotiate these things we want for Russia's people.

Conversely, the Saudi's royal family is bragging that they estimate 20% of Clinton's campaign cash comes from them. That is overt influence on American politics and their motivation is clear. Clinton has enabled Saudi Arabia to get away with everything they want. Despite burying women to their necks in sand and stoning them to death for the crime of being raped ("adultery") and executing gays by throwing them off buildings, Saudi Arabia has somehow weaseled its way into the head of the UN's Human Rights committee and has secured an alliance with the US after funding al-Queada's attacks on New York City.

So sure Putin's bad but Saudi Arabia is objectively worse and I value peace with Putin more than I value peace with the house of Saud.

(Addendum: With all this blame going towards Russia, how do you think a President Clinton is going to treat Russia in Foreign Relations after all this hell they've given her by exposing the truth? "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.")

Well, like I said, I'm not a fan of Clinton either. And as for the Saudis, we've been supporting them for decades -- going all the way back to the 1930s. And it's all about oil. NO president right now is going to break off relations until we find a better fuel source. And I hate to tell you, but the U.S. has a history of supporting dictators -- (just look at what we did in Latin America over the last two centuries.)
I'm not saying it's because Putin is bad, I'm saying it because right now I do believe he's a legit threat.


And creepy? This is a dude who talks about his daughter's boobs, calls her a "hot piece of ass" and said he'd date her if she wasn't his daughter. I don't care who you are, that's fucked up. *puke*

 

[Null]

And creepy? This is a dude who talks about his daughter's boobs, calls her a "hot piece of ass" and said he'd date her if she wasn't his daughter. I don't care who you are, that's fucked up. *puke*

So in light of a warning of total global war your main concern is Trump's penis. Okay

 

[Very Honest Content]

If he's an incestuous leach, he's not going to be concerned with stopping global war.

If Hillary has leaked audio of her talking about tribbing Chelsea, I'd be concerned she doesn't have the ability to even begin to make a difference in the margins on stopping global conflict too.

I'm sure Mike Pence will be real interested in the worldwide conflagration that will consume us all having the brakes slammed on it to a halt while Donald deals with whatever really catches his interest in the job anyway, once they stop the lack of Republican early voting returns this election in North Carolina first though . . .

 

[UtopiaGuy]

I'm sure Mike Pence will be real interested in the worldwide conflagration that will consume us all having the brakes slammed on it to a halt while Donald deals with whatever really catches his interest in the job anyway, once they stop the lack of Republican early voting returns this election in North Carolina first though . . .

I may have mentioned it before, but this is my own personal conspiracy theory, based in part on the offers reportedly made to Kasich (when he was eyed for VP), and the lack of response by GOP leaders to Trump's behavior. I think Trump made a deal with GOP leadership, to wit; he would choose a conservative running mate they liked, who would actually run everything in the White House. Meanwhile, Trump will get to "play" President and "make America great again" as part of the ultimate ego trip/reality show. GOPers would then get the conservative SCOTUS appointments and policies and all the rest of it that they want. In return, they offer at least tacit support for Trump's candidacy, and this is why they don't condemn him or his hateful rhetoric and actions. These people are so desperate to win, they'll go even along with someone like Trump right to the bitter end.

The same mistake they made by embracing the Tea Party they're making again with the Trumpists. They're thinking only of an upcoming election and getting quick, easy votes to secure power, and not the fact that later on they won't be able to control the Trumpists any more than they could the Tea Party guys. The result? Chaos in the party, chaos in Congress, more gridlock and divisiveness, and ultimately a weakening of power that comes with turning off the broader electorate.

Right now, I think it's dawned on them that they're in big trouble, and they're sweating bullets for a Clinton victory. It's easier by far for them to run against an adversary in the White House operating under normal political parameters than it would be to deal with what a President Trump would be like.

 

[Very Honest Content]

I may have mentioned it before, but this is my own personal conspiracy theory . . . The same mistake they made by embracing the Tea Party they're making again with the Trumpists. They're thinking only of an upcoming election and getting quick, easy votes to secure power, and not the fact that later on they won't be able to control the Trumpists any more than they could the Tea Party guys . . . It's easier by far for them to run against an adversary in the White House operating under normal political parameters than it would be to deal with what a President Trump would be like.

Actually that sounds more like a causation explanation for the current state of the race for the office than a conspiratorial theory really to me. I'd say the Trump faction in the party is more of the original pre-Koch financially co-opted T-baggers than it is its own independent new brand of political strain in the Republican base. If Clinton is running for reelection in a cycle for presidency later I've already decided to call it America Chooses 2020: Hate-fuck at the election booths.

 

[UtopiaGuy]

Actually that sounds more like a causation explanation for the current state of the race for the office than a conspiratorial theory really to me. I'd say the Trump faction in the party is more of the original pre-Koch financially co-opted T-baggers than it is its own independent new brand of political strain in the Republican base.

There's definitely some crossover there, to be sure, but a good portion of the Trumpers seem to be new to the party.

 

[Very Honest Content]

There's definitely some crossover there, to be sure, but a good portion of the Trumpers seem to be new to the party.

New as in 'just aged into being legal to register and vote for their first time' primarily, or new as in 'I don't normally vote in Presidential politics but when I do, I vote for reality (or tabloid news or whatever goes here) TV stars,' primarily or some synthesis of those two?

I bet rat-fucking in the primaries was at an all time high this year if somebody went back and surveys that particular tactic, but I have no empirical proof of that, just pure supposition on my part.

 

[UtopiaGuy]

Probably closer to the second. A lot of them are saying "a pox on both your houses!" Not necessarily young voters, but people who've been turned off by politics for a long time, feel marginalized and left out, and probably hate Obama on top of that.

 

[Fougaro]

Eastern Eurofag here. I tried to enjoy this shitshow as an impartial observer but given how I always have a thing for people who cause apocalyptic amounts of asshurt, it was only natural that my bias would shift in favour of Trump.

While of all the candidates his positions (at least from what you can see from the various "who's my candidate" sites) are the closest to mine, one of the main reasons I'm cheering for the Don is that I want to see the media, the establishment and various virtue signaling celebrities continuing to chimp out with impotent tard rage. Glenn Beck's recent meltdown was a thing of beauty and if I was a betting person I'd put my money on him jumping from Trump Tower in case of a Trump presidency. On the other hand I also think it would be interesting to live to see the potential political end of both the Clinton and the Bush dynasty.

Though the polls and statistics currently suggest a Clinton presidency as a much more likely outcome, I'm still keeping my fingers crossed till November.

 

[Mrs Paul]

So in light of a warning of total global war your main concern is Trump's penis. Okay

I think you know that's not what I meant. I was asked what I find creepy about him. His attitude towards women, minorities, POWs, veterans, the disabled, etc. You can call it words, but they reflect an attitude, something you don't want in a president. Think about it: do you think it would be kosher for someone running for president to hang around here?
And you really think Trump wouldn't hesitate to start a war? Here's a guy who's bragged about how he's going to "bomb the shit out of them", use nukes, commit war crimes, etc. They may be words -- BUT, demeanor is indeed important in a politician, like it or not.

He doesn't seem to realize what powers the president has, what they office is allowed to do and not do. Threatening to jail one's opponents, -- dude comes off like Nixon. He's very petty, and as I said, very thin-skinned. He's ignorant of much of the country (for example, claiming he's going to bring the steel industry back to Pittsburgh? C'mon!), and no, he doesn't "say what he thinks". He condemns outsourcing, but all of his products are made outside the country. (Mexico, China, Brazil, India, etc). He imports cheap Chinese steel for his buildings (so much for helping the steel mills around here!). He has a history of not paying for services, he's been sued by employees how many times, (in addition to other lawsuits).

Like I said, I don't really like Hillary. But I think she's the lesser of two evils. If it was anyone other than Trump running, I'd probably just stay home.

(Besides, I want my fucking taco trucks)

 

[feedtheoctopus]

The world basically gave me a choice between a neoliberal elitist and a bigoted psychopath. I really don't agree with either of these people on...well, anything. Still, Clinton's not insane and hasn't threatened to jail her political opponents and torture people for the fun of it. I really don't see any equivalency here.

 

[KingGeedorah]

Still, Clinton's not insane and hasn't threatened to jail her political opponents and torture people for the fun of it. I really don't see any equivalency here.

Nah man she's going to purposely seize on her first day in office and land face first onto the nuke button, causing WW3 with the Chinese and Russians. Hillary is pretty much a crisis actor.

 

[AnOminous]

The world basically gave me a choice between a neoliberal elitist and a bigoted psychopath. I really don't agree with either of these people on...well, anything. Still, Clinton's not insane and hasn't threatened to jail her political opponents and torture people for the fun of it. I really don't see any equivalency here.

Lol calm down. Don't be a sore winner.

 

[WW 635]

lol The US is so screwed...