Unprepared Men - Excuses are just excuses.

[dick brain]

Because preparedness means diversifying your skillset which means being a generalist/jack of all trades and that's not what modern civilization values. Modern civilization is built around specialization, i.e. dedicating yourself wholly to a single area of focus and outsourcing everything else to other people for whom that is their area of focus. This is a gamble, because it means that a lot of individuals are dependent upon civilization to sustain themselves, but it also means that because they can dedicate themselves entirely to a single pursuit, they can push that field further, which sometimes benefits society, such as with scientific and technological advancements.

The cool thing is this is stratified; obviously not everyone is a specialist, generalists still exist and aren't subject to the same interdependence and instability that specialists are. In fact a lot of politics is downstream from this: specialists aren't able to sustain themselves independently, they have to be part of a collective, so they clump together densely, and support legislation and policy that meets their needs as vulnerable single-minded interdependent collectivists, which is why cities are liberal. Meanwhile, generalists are less dependent upon a larger collective and broadly capable of meeting their own needs most of the time, so they don't have to clump together or enact policy that forces others to take care of them or keep them safe. Urban liberal collectivism is the high-risk high-reward strategy that -- occasionally -- facilitates the advancement of the species, and rural conservative individualism is the bedrock that grants the stability upon which that gamble is built, and which will act as a bulwark against extinction in the event of inevitable catastrophes that specialists cannot weather. Neither is inherently wrong, except when they believe that the other is, and that the other should be like them or cease to exist.

If everybody was a boy scout there wouldn't be any nerds building rocket ships and computers that fit in my pocket and show me how to fix my car or where I am in the mountains based on the relative latency of clocks on satellites in space. I am happy to not be one of them, but I'm not bothered by their existence as long as it continues to benefit me and they stay in their hive and leave me alone.

 

[Jean ValJean]

What advice would you give to an unprepared man who doesn't even know where to start?

Start by making your bed.

I know it sounds stupid and trivial, but if you start your day doing one small thing, you have at least accomplished something.

 

[Squanto Airi]

More importantly, though: What advice would you give to an unprepared man who doesn't even know where to start?

Art of Manliness has a solid list of 100 things a man should know how to do:
List

My only problems with the list is that some of the items seem antiquated (there's nothing computer or tech listed), but it's a good start to becoming prepared.

 

[Among Us Gaming]

What advice would you give to an unprepared man who doesn't even know where to start?

I would tell them to ignore the concept you put forward for one. Prepare for what? To what exent? How good do they need to be?
The real fact of the matter is that most people, men and women, aren't "prepared" until an event actually happens, and wherein they learn what is actually needed to be "prepared." Some that are stupid learn nothing, and some that are weak/cowardly say "never again," but the vast majority of folks these days don't learn to change a flat until they get one, necessity is the mother of invention and all.

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

Poll needs to add Outsourcing/Indians.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Voted for "They don't care". Men are hardwired to problem solve. If they're not trying to solve a problem, then they either don't see it as a problem, or they don't see any viable solution. The latter can include being absolutely cucked and not being willing to take any personal responsibility, but it still comes back around to them not wanting to do the thing.

Tossing around lists of "know this or that" is good just as a mental review of "have you been competent in your life" but the real element is just "are you willing to learn". If your car needs fluids, are you willing to go in and figure it out even if you don't know right this second? If so, you'll be fine, first time for everything. If you instead say "oh I don't know how to do that" and refuse to move from there, that's a choice, you don't care, and you'll never learn that way.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

The concept of “toxic masculinity” and the death of traditional male heroes has raped an entire generation or 3. How could this have happened?

 

[Core Theorist]

I would even consider a "can-do" or "well, we'll just do our best and thug it out" attitude enough, but most men I meet don't even have that anymore.

 

[Male Idiot]

I am nor arguing aginst other poseter.

But maybe modernity is simply not something a lot of men are prepared for.

Our hardware/software is still village farmer.

But society is now a modern cog in the machine system, lubed by soy.

Imagine a warlike ant species transported to an island without predators. Suddenly, they need less warriors, more drones.

What is the soyboy if not a worker drone?

Capitalism just requires you to be an efficient cog, a drone, preferably in the buglod.

Such shifts happen as time goes on. Humans are habitat engineers so we do it really, really fast.

 

[big pauper]

This comment on the Boomer Hate thread and This one on the Zoomer thread explain the unpreparedness rather well: shitty teachers and adults who'd rather gatekeep their knowledge than letting the next generations raise up and do well for themselves.

see:

Voted for "They don't care". Men are hardwired to problem solve. If they're not trying to solve a problem, then they either don't see it as a problem, or they don't see any viable solution. The latter can include being absolutely cucked and not being willing to take any personal responsibility, but it still comes back around to them not wanting to do the thing.

Tossing around lists of "know this or that" is good just as a mental review of "have you been competent in your life" but the real element is just "are you willing to learn". If your car needs fluids, are you willing to go in and figure it out even if you don't know right this second? If so, you'll be fine, first time for everything. If you instead say "oh I don't know how to do that" and refuse to move from there, that's a choice, you don't care, and you'll never learn that way.

something that everyone seems to forget is that there was a good 30 year long period where none of that shit was socially acceptable. The boomer gatekeeping isn't just a one way street they treat themselves in the same way, they have a deep seated disrespect for anything that holds them to higher standards. That level of purposeful ignorance about the world legitimately doesn't exist anymore, the average person is expected a level of competency far and above what was expected from adults when i was a child.

I'm only 30 so fuck if i know how and why this is a long-term trend but I can pretty safely tell you that back when i was an adolescent and the world was becoming more reliant on The Internet and computers as pieces of household equipment, the responsibility and accountability for that stuff usually just defaulted to a child. Do you have any idea how many times people asked random 12 year old me to "fix their computer" with the legitimate expectation that i would do a better job than people they paid money to do it? Do you have any idea how many cable boxes i've fiddled with because someone's dad was like "hey you're good with the technology, the cable guy fucked it up, see if you can fix it?"

By the 2010's the basic framework for the current technocratic nightmare existed - there were people who had been making a living entirely on the internet for a decade or more by that point, social media was already established, internet access was basically guaranteed by the government, everybody had cheap access to cell phone data plans - yet you would still regularly interact with old people who "didn't know how to use a computer." It's why Windows 8 was such a fucking nightmare, it was made for people who purposefully ignored the entire personal computer and internet revolution until they were required to use it to engage with society. They expected it to be dumbed down so they could use it just as well as people who had been for 20 years

 

[God of Nothing]

Are you willing to live with the consequences?
That's it.
You being prepared has nothing to do with any of it. Shit's going to happen regardless. I've longed reached past the point of debate and pondering.

 

[Too read articles]

Start by making your bed.

I know it sounds stupid and trivial, but if you start your day doing one small thing, you have at least accomplished something.

And wash your penis, bucko!

 

[Jean ValJean]

The concept of “toxic masculinity” and the death of traditional male heroes has raped an entire generation or 3. How could this have happened?

1. Absentee "fathers" i.e., "baby daddies."

2. Teachers, especially in early/elementary education being primarily liberal women.

3. A culture of zero accountability and responsibility.

- Don't like my job? Just don't show up anymore and go on welfare.

- Knock up my girlfriend/casual hookup? Have her get an abortion or just walk away.

- Can't support myself because I'm too lazy/too stupid to get a job? Live in mom's basement until she dies or kicks me out, then go on welfare.

4. Very few strong male role models.

And wash your penis, bucko!

It's a shame that in this day and age, that's not just assumed.

Some of the shit I've seen women whine about online is insane. How do you live with a guy who doesn't wash his ass?

I guess if I wasn't happily married I'd be in high demand - I have a job, own my house, have money saved, and I wash my ass. From what I've heard that puts me miles ahead of most of the guys out there.

It's a sad state of affairs.

 

[Paper Machete]

Some of the shit I've seen women whine about online is insane. How do you live with a guy who doesn't wash his ass?

Don't worry yourself over stuff like this too much. Everyone finds their match and their level one way or another. It might not be obvious but if she's sticking with someone who doesn't wash their ass that's because that's her level. Shrug and move on. If that wasn't the case, she'd move on or wouldn't have settled for him in the first place.

Time is a flat circle and there have always been the loser subclass. I think people get worried about it all overly much because online you run into a lot of noise from said losers. Online you hear a lot of information and opinions from people you would otherwise not socialize with IRL. This can be a good thing or an interesting thing but remember in most cases there are reasons you'd never socialize.

As for the topic of this thread. All you can do in life is keep your wits about do, do well for yourself to the best of your ability, and stop worrying so much about other people's lives if they're not a close friend. It's pointless because you can't really do anything for them and past a certain age people just stay the way they are unless they themselves choose to.

 

[Gandhi's Left Hook]

I guess if I wasn't happily married I'd be in high demand - I have a job, own my house, have money saved, and I wash my ass. From what I've heard that puts me miles ahead of most of the guys out there.

You'd be in high demand yea, by women who have been run through by dozens if not hundreds of men, probably have kids, often from different fathers. They will often have drinking problems, can't cook, wont clean their living areas or their bodies properly but expect all of that from you.

It's a two way street really. It's not just men that are failing but women too.

 

[Curry Teafag]

"They don't care" is a result, not a cause. What's missing is technological progress. That is clearly dumbing us down with regards to survival skills.

 

[Jean ValJean]

You'd be in high demand yea, by women who have been run through by dozens if not hundreds of men, probably have kids, often from different fathers. They will often have drinking problems, can't cook, wont clean their living areas or their bodies properly but expect all of that from you.

It's a two way street really. It's not just men that are failing but women too.

Which is probably the reason that my youngest son ended up marrying a woman from overseas. He dated for years and had trouble finding a woman who was wife material for most of the above reasons. Every woman around his age (30s) ended up having a kid (or kids) and/or some kind of emotional problems.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

Which is probably the reason that my youngest son ended up marrying a woman from overseas. He dated for years and had trouble finding a woman who was wife material for most of the above reasons. Every woman around his age (30s) ended up having a kid (or kids) and/or some kind of emotional problems.

The issue with western women (and men too, frankly) is the belief that your bullshit (emotional baggage, trauma, personal incompetence) is a shared responsibility in the relationship. They fucking are not. We live in such a bubble-wrapped world free from any inconvenience whatsoever that we allow ourselves to be victim to, well, ourselves - our own psyches. And then these losers go out and try to pawn that off on other people as a supplement for actual love and care. Women (and again, men) overseas from poorer countries have had to work from the minute they were able just to make anything for themselves.

It is only in western countries that you can completely ignore your duties and still go to the bar on Friday night and party on the taxpayers’ dime, and among such ‘prosperity’ it is difficult to find anyone who has had to overcome true hardship, let alone people who get to know themselves and understand the values of commitment and perseverance and patience.

True hardship doesn’t have room for excuses. It doesn’t care if you don’t feel like it. It is also extremely rewarding to overcome true hardship and it builds character like nothing else can. True hardship can exist amongst decadence, but it must be drawn out if no external factors create it. The battle with the self and the difficulty to understand oneself; the permanent question of higher power; finding the will and commitment to meet one’s own standards and desires. These are just some hardships that are obtusely ignored which can build character and greater understanding.

But why bother? Why bother doing hard work when I can collect welfare? Why ask myself the big questions when I can plug into the magic rectangle and jack off?

Every little thing that might make a person an individual is a fucking write-off. It’s incredible.

 

[DumbDude43]

What advice would you give to an unprepared man who doesn't even know where to start?

never trust a woman
dont expect society to remain calm and stable forever
prepare for violence

 

[Vibromatic Heart Bed]

Men are hardwired to problem solve. If they're not trying to solve a problem, then they either don't see it as a problem, or they don't see any viable solution.

I think its more so the latter; they're apathetic because our societal problems are multifaceted and would require either serious creative problem-solving & innovation or violence to "solve".
Toxic male/female relations, third worldification, jihad, the competency crisis, boomer narcissism/wealth hoarding, mass propaganda and brainrot, ai misuse, drug epidemics, loss of communities/mass isolation & loneliness, and now these satanic pedo cabals... I feel like as a society we could come together and tackle 1 or 2 of these issues, but the fact all these things are happening at once is seriously daunting and overwhelming, and if you're on the internet you're constantly getting bombarded with images of how the world is all going to shit. Very doom and gloom.
Humans can respond to trauma via fight, flight, or freeze. There's nowhere to flee, fighting feels pointless, all that's left is to freeze.