(United States) Policy proposal

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ChefBourgeoisie

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A thought just occurred to me moments ago. Congress has the (legitimate) authority to decide what constitutes "probable cause" for arrest. Usually, courts will decide what rises to the level of probable cause on a case-by-case basis, and they use that discretion as they see fit. Some conservative judges will rubber-stamp just about anything the cops claim, leftoid judges throw out everything... "just because they had a crack pipe in their lips, it might have been performance art or ironic jewelry, I'm excluding the discovered 300 grams of crack rocks from the evidence!". But Congress can set explicit rules, and the judges will have their hands tied in the matter.

Specifically, I'm considering whether flying a foreign flag should be probable cause to arrest someone for treason. This would be narrowly defined with numerous carve-outs... no one should be arrested for it if they're at Toronto Blue Jays away game. Embassies of foreign countries get a pass. Sanctioned holidays (St. Patrick's Day in Chicago), etc. But those flying foreign flags (or using their printed emblems) at protests/riots/unrest, as is happening in California, where they are specifically attacking government offices and agents, this should be sufficient reason to arrest those people by itself, requiring no other outward indications than the flag itself.

For those who would argue that treason is a crime that can only be committed by citizens (true), these flags could be probable cause for some mayhem-type crime for non-citizens. One might even go so far as to make it sufficient reason to deport non-citizens. Greta Thunberg could get a tourist visa, protest all she might like, and generally be safe doing so as long as she didn't display the Swedish flag, but could be arrested if she did that. In such cases, not only would it be sufficient for probable cause (justifying the arrest), but authorities would have the option of prosecuting whatever crime the investigation uncovered, or just canceling visas and deporting with that as a justification alone.

In some cases, these arrests would find insufficient evidence for prosecution of treason/mayhem, and they would be released (if citizens), but it is true that no standard is perfect and that any could result in such releases. The inevitability of those doesn't undermine the idea itself.

What counter-arguments would leftoids use to undermine this proposal in the realm of public opinion? What counter-arguments would be clever enough to convince judges to overturn it? What obstacles would such a policy have to being enacted by Congress?
 
It'd violate the first amendment and make it easier to violate the fourth. Waving flags is not the problem here. It is the actual crimes which are already not being dealt with.
This is more likely to be used against a normal jerkoff than a commie burning shit in the street.
 
It'd violate the first amendment a
How? First, speech that confesses too or gives reasonable suspicion that one has committed a crime has always been probable cause. Speech that indicates you have illegally supported foreign loyalties is no exception.
This is more likely to be used against a normal jerkoff
Illustrate for me a scenario where it might be used against a normal jerkoff...
 
First, speech that confesses too or gives reasonable suspicion that one has committed a crime has always been probable cause.
Gotta wonder about how you are defining reasonable here. Waving a Mexican flag is not evidence of anything in itself except possibly being a retard.
Illustrate for me a scenario where it might be used against a normal jerkoff...
It does exactly what you did in response to my first point (a third of it anyway). It expands the meaning of "reasonable". If you give the government any wiggle room to abuse the 4th amendment they will use it to fuck with people. As they always have and will. Making it easier for government to violate your rights is and always has been a terrible idea put forward by retards who think the power will be used to their political ends. Assume any power you allow the government to have will be used against you and you will never be disappointed.
 
Waving a Mexican flag is not evidence of anything in itself except possibly being a retard.
Nor am I calling it evidence. I'm calling it "probable cause". In the simplest terms, probable cause is "reasonable justification to arrest", and by itself does not rise to the level of "evidence for conviction". I may have assumed too much thinking anyone here would know that there's a difference.
 
Nor am I calling it evidence. I'm calling it "probable cause". In the simplest terms, probable cause is "reasonable justification to arrest", and by itself does not rise to the level of "evidence for conviction". I may have assumed too much thinking anyone here would know that there's a difference.

Come on now. Probable cause requires evidence of a crime by definition. I didn't say shit about convictions.
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People can display whatever flag they want, but participating in civil unrest while flying the colors of the nation you emigrated from should be punished with citizenship or visa revoked and being shipped home.
 
Pretty sure that that's constitutionally protected free speech.
If you make it more specific and say that waving a foreign flag near a riot being conducted for or by foreigners counts as probable cause, then it could possibly work.
 
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