The Paranormal

[skykiii]

America inherited this trait, too, but it's something which barely exists outside of English culture - and something which is directly tied to both and their dominance on the world stage.

Am I seriously hearing someone say that non-white cultures have no concept of an Eccentric?

Just because you don't know their word for it does not mean it does not exist.

 

[Doctor Love]

Am I seriously hearing someone say that non-white cultures have no concept of an Eccentric?

Yes, you are. Whatever the word is, does not reflect the equivalent societal view. There is no perfect translation between languages. This is why swearing is rarely a reflection of the actual severity of the word. "Cunt" is considered more heavy in the USA, compared to the UK. The same word, in the same language, has a completely different meaning in the two cultures.

See, here's the problem. Think about the word "war" and compare different cultures and their interpretation of a "warrior" - the Japanese were infamous for their head-strong refusal to surrender in almost any circumstances - requiring two nuclear bombs to finally consider surrender. Meanwhile, Turks surrender so readily and so eagerly that a full third of all of the soldiers in the entire Ottoman Empire deserted during the Gallipoli campaign, mostly without ever seeing combat. It's clear that Japan and Turkey have two extremely different interpretations of "war" despite it being translated into English in the same word.

And yes, I will say, the meaning of the word "eccentric" is massively different in Western Europe - specifically, Britain.

Just because you don't know their word for it does not mean it does not exist.

I don't know the word for it, because the concept itself doesn't seem to exist.

It's like - imagine if I said, "this is my dog" - and it was clearly a canine. Then you came along, showed everyone a fish, then said "this is also a dog" - and then followed it up with "Oh my GOD, I can't believe you said that non-white cultures have no concept of a dog? Here's a dog, right here!" - before revealing the fish again.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

but gypsies always make me have an internal fight or flight response, and they don't seem to like me either

Thats everyone who interacts with gypsies. They see every outsider as a sucker to fuck over, its literally their culture.

 

[Male Idiot]

Yes, you are. Whatever the word is, does not reflect the equivalent societal view. There is no perfect translation between languages. This is why swearing is rarely a reflection of the actual severity of the word. "Cunt" is considered more heavy in the USA, compared to the UK. The same word, in the same language, has a completely different meaning in the two cultures.

See, here's the problem. Think about the word "war" and compare different cultures and their interpretation of a "warrior" - the Japanese were infamous for their head-strong refusal to surrender in almost any circumstances - requiring two nuclear bombs to finally consider surrender. Meanwhile, Turks surrender so readily and so eagerly that a full third of all of the soldiers in the entire Ottoman Empire deserted during the Gallipoli campaign, mostly without ever seeing combat. It's clear that Japan and Turkey have two extremely different interpretations of "war" despite it being translated into English in the same word.

And yes, I will say, the meaning of the word "eccentric" is massively different in Western Europe - specifically, Britain.

I don't know the word for it, because the concept itself doesn't seem to exist.

It's like - imagine if I said, "this is my dog" - and it was clearly a canine. Then you came along, showed everyone a fish, then said "this is also a dog" - and then followed it up with "Oh my GOD, I can't believe you said that non-white cultures have no concept of a dog? Here's a dog, right here!" - before revealing the fish again.

I do not think Anglos are inherently smart because of their language, which is one of the easiest ones in the world.

Their world leading role had the same hsppy coincidence (happy for the Bri*ish at least) as the USA's, which is being isolated by seas from all sides.

This allowed them to do better as it was a very big moat that kept many armies away. They got lucky with the starting point rng, ehich allowed them to make trains in peace.

And as you told us, trains are sources to power some may consider unnatural...

 

[Otterly]

You can communicate with it in dreams, as it is the dream characters who talk to you without any conscious input from you.

Jung thought this. It’s been an interesting lens to look at my own dreams through. A while back I was having awful ones of someone close to me trying to kill me, I read the part in one of Jung’s books where he talks about this not being the actual person but part of yourself, an aspect of yourself, and it made a lot of sense. I haven’t had the dream since

Consciousness, or human volition as we know it appeared 1000 bc-ish,

I’ve heared this stated before but I don’t see any real evidence for it. It’s an interesting theory and I’m not making any judgment in whether it’s correct or not (I’m not sure how you could prove or disprove it) but I can’t see anything he states from history that would make me think was evidence .
Marzinsky is very interesting indeed.

oh, yeah! And did you hear about John’s brother? He was in a psychiatric ward, too. Yeah; he managed to get a furniture screw out of his psych bed. He used it to rip out his own throat! Haha!”

That’s a very odd experience. What do you think about it, honestly?

But there are some people that you just want to avoid and, if you feel that, you must comply.

I think I’ve mentioned this before but a few years ago I was dragged into an audit. They usually work in pairs and one of the auditors was a very clean cut looking young man, early thirties maybe. Nothing whatsoever unremarkable about him. But being near him made me want to get away. It was the oddest feeling of just absolute revulsion and that he was just not right. The weirdest thing was that after I was talking to someone who had been attending by phone and she said the same thing I’d been thinking, without any input from me. We both felt like we were a helpless animal about to have its wings pulled off. I felt like he was going to hurt me. I felt like I was looking at something that wasn’t human, wearing a human disguise.
Very odd experience. I truly think we pick up on minutiae of action and behaviour that we aren’t consciously aware of but which manifests as a strong gut feeling. I never ignore that now
Edited to add and avoid double post. @Male Idiot English is a very easy language to get fairly good at, and an almost impossible one to ever truly sound like a native at or master completely, unless you learn within the acquisition window.

 

[Archeops]

This. Demons will rarely reveal themselves as demons, otherwise the game is off.

I think I had a few run-ins with them, also in very ambiguous situations such as dreams and such.

Seconding this, aliens and inter-dimensional entities (which mostly consist of extraterrestrials and some forms of shadow people) that manifest in the spiritual plane can also obscure their true appearances with a shadowy veil.

When I said "things sacred to me," it wasn't religious versus... I remember calling on, like, cartoon and video game characters. And for some reason, this worked.

When I tell people the story, I tend to leave that part out because yeah, it can sound really silly that I fought back demons with what some would term "the power of consumerism." To me though it kinda makes sense in a way, because things only have as much meaning as what you give them--especially in a half-asleep state. And I do think stuff that is way more personal to me has more "power" than, say, some ancient Babylonian glyph from the Necronomicon that I only know about because some old book says is special.

That’s not exactly out of the ordinary. Depending on the kind of entity you’re dealing with the strength you put behind the words you choose to say is enough the push them away. That kind of tells me you were dealing with something that was more trickster than demonic.

I wonder if it works the other way as well though--I imagine a Babylonian spirit would respect the Babylonian symbol more, but the spirit of some prankster child who died in the 1980s might legit be more terrified of the Sword of Omens.

There’s actually some level of complexity when it comes to choosing the right “protective” words and practices to deal with certain types of entities, most psychic mediums will suggest a “fight fire with fire“ strategy where certain entities have to be dealt with in a manner they either respect or have a weakness to (you’ll often see this with Native American spirits, elementals, and entities summoned via voodoo practices). You also need to do them properly as it can make the problem even worse than it already is.

But there are also cases where the activity is rooted in something far more ancient or stronger (areas that have had traumatic events like Native American massacres and/or areas inhabited by a "devil" of sorts) for any of these practices to work, when that happens the psychic medium with generally tell you move ASAP and as far away as possible and give a list of things to do before and after moving.

The other day I was watching videos and thought about creating my own cryptid. I wound up drawing my idea of what a "fae" might look like if they were real and closer to the more scary interpretations (in practice though I wound up with this woman with a bit of a zig-zag mouth, so I guess one of those crooked smile type ghost women).

Later that day I needed a nap and lay down. I didn't even realize I had gone to sleep when I thought I heard my mom, which surprised me as my mom wasn't here that day... and she sounded like she was cackling like a witch (the sound had a definite direction to it to, like I could tell you what room it sounded like it was coming from). I tried to call for her but immediately had sleep paralysis, though I soon woke up.

That’s sounds more along the lines of a PK manifestation than a proper cryptid or spirit. PK manifestations are usually born from people with PK abilities and are fed by the excess energy they produce as well as any negativity found in the household. Some PK manifestation can get strong enough to linger even after the person who brought it into existence pass on.

 

[Overly Serious]

Yes, you are. Whatever the word is, does not reflect the equivalent societal view. There is no perfect translation between languages. This is why swearing is rarely a reflection of the actual severity of the word. "Cunt" is considered more heavy in the USA, compared to the UK. The same word, in the same language, has a completely different meaning in the two cultures.

See, here's the problem. Think about the word "war" and compare different cultures and their interpretation of a "warrior" - the Japanese were infamous for their head-strong refusal to surrender in almost any circumstances - requiring two nuclear bombs to finally consider surrender. Meanwhile, Turks surrender so readily and so eagerly that a full third of all of the soldiers in the entire Ottoman Empire deserted during the Gallipoli campaign, mostly without ever seeing combat. It's clear that Japan and Turkey have two extremely different interpretations of "war" despite it being translated into English in the same word.

And yes, I will say, the meaning of the word "eccentric" is massively different in Western Europe - specifically, Britain.

I don't know the word for it, because the concept itself doesn't seem to exist.

It's like - imagine if I said, "this is my dog" - and it was clearly a canine. Then you came along, showed everyone a fish, then said "this is also a dog" - and then followed it up with "Oh my GOD, I can't believe you said that non-white cultures have no concept of a dog? Here's a dog, right here!" - before revealing the fish again.

The term "eccentric" in English doesn't mean weird, odd, strange or any of the other things that might seem at first to be an appropriate equivalent in another language. In English, certainly British English, the word means "someone socially approved to behave in a non-conforming way". We would say "he's eccentric" to mean "don't let his behaviour put you off or cause you to treat him badly, but accept it". If we didn't mean that, we'd say "he's weird" (be careful), "he's a bit odd" (I am unsure if you should be careful or not but giving warning in case) or "he's strange" (I don't understand his behaviour). We might further emphasise that we're assigning a classification of how someone should be treated by out and out saying "He's an eccentric", thus assigning an acceptable social role to him.

So the easiest way to disprove @Doctor Love 's argument would be to put forward a non-English word that doesn't mean weird/odd/strange or similar, but specifically conveys a flag that someone's behaviour should be accepted despite outward signs.

EDIT: @Otterly, as a Lutrinidae of Albion, I now summon thee and beg your agreement or disagreement with the nuances of British English as I lay them out.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

I apologize if this change in topic might annoy some people but what does everyone think about LoA and the implications and practice behind it? It's a curious system that has its own intriguing depths to it and researching the Liber Null made me draw a parallel to the sigil magic that it describes within which is something I've found to be heavily understated in regards to its connection.

 

[Doctor Love]

I do not think Anglos are inherently smart because of their language, which is one of the easiest ones in the world.

Nah, I wouldn't say language itself. It's an idea which doesn't seem to exist in the same way. The language is easy, and it's something which is shared by all of the indigenous Britons - including Ireland.

This allowed them to do better as it was a very big moat that kept many armies away. They got lucky with the starting point rng, ehich allowed them to make trains in peace.

Not exactly. The Romans got very lucky with some decisive battles, and even they failed when it came to the Scots. France was directly next-door, and the HRE next to that - and for most of Europe's history, those two made up most of the population. England and Wales were resource-rich, too, while Western Europe was hotly contested - it wasn't for lack of trying.

England's armed forces were in such hot-demand that when they weren't invading France, they were being paid by your kings because English soldiers were tougher than anyone in Hungary.

The term "eccentric" in English doesn't mean weird, odd, strange or any of the other things that might seem at first to be an appropriate equivalent in another language.

Pretty much that. Essentially, autism awareness is built into the culture, and the language is built around that culture.

Trying to find 1:1 translations for things is pretty hard, and it occurs within communities in the same language.

Racism is another one - when a white person says there is "a racism" they usually mean some kind of violent event or attack, based entirely off of the person's race. When a none-white person says it, they mean any negative experience related to their race.

This includes sexual rejection. There is a consensus among practically all none-whites, that "most white women are racist" - and "racism should be punished" - including white women who don't want to have sex with them. It's a fucking horrifying realisation to make - like finding out someone did a stint in prison for noncery, but for most none-white foreigners.

 

[Flan Handler]

I apologize if this change in topic might annoy some people but what does everyone think about LoA and the implications and practice behind it? It's a curious system that has its own intriguing depths to it and researching the Liber Null made me draw a parallel to the sigil magic that it describes within which is something I've found to be heavily understated in regards to its connection.

I don’t know what LoA is, no opinion here.

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[Overly Serious]

I apologize if this change in topic might annoy some people but what does everyone think about LoA and the implications and practice behind it? It's a curious system that has its own intriguing depths to it and researching the Liber Null made me draw a parallel to the sigil magic that it describes within which is something I've found to be heavily understated in regards to its connection.

Is that all that Peter Carol stuff? I met him once and I think I made him sad.

I think it's only good as a mental technique of motivation and subconscious behaviour influencing, and if you're going for that then you might as well go for something that is easier for your primitive instincts to relate to and engage in like some more traditional mysticism or practice. Chaos Magic seems to be something for "intellectuals" who can't bring themselves to immerse themselves in more old-fashioned magical practices that are too quaint for them and make them feel silly. But dress it up in a lot of overly complicated theory and they like it.

But if you get something out of it, go for it. Most practioners of any form of "magic" that I have met are just seeking some shortcut to actually doing something about their life. I'm probably not the best person to ask though. I'm only in this thread this thread through mysterious machinations of the universal unconcious random chance because it was top of a forum and I saw Otterly had posted something and I wondered what it was.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

I don’t know what LoA is, no opinion here.

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It's a deceptively simple technique for getting what you want out of a situation that was popularized by Neville Goddard. He was active all the way back in the mid 20th century as a biblical scholar who made TV appearances and led lectures beginning in 1938. He's a fascinating character in a lot of ways and he's been described as a Christian mystic but that's actually pretty far from it (I'll discuss it further) later. See, his method was basically like this: simply sit back as you drift off to sleep and imagine the outcome you want to a given situation. A simple scene needs to rest in your mind and you need to transport yourself there and enact it in your mind like you're a character in a play. Once that's done and you wake up, one mist go about their day like normal and an opportunity will present itself to you. It has been appraised numerous time, has numerous methods associated with it thanks to James Myrphy and Peter Carol, and has hit a resurgence in popularity in recent years with numerous tiktok girls going on about the affirmations they use to try and strengthen their manifestations and Null himself has given credit to LoA working.
As my interest in this grew, I was also looking into the Liber Null, which is the basic guidebook and syllabus for those who partake in Chaos Magic and one section stood out in particular to me, which is Sigil Magic. Sigil Magic is the creation and use of sigils by writing down the wish you want and combining the non repeating letters into a sigil which is burned and essentially forgotten about. It's meant to be used in conjunction with meditation and the sigil is to be forgotten after use. Now, here's where the biblical scholar connection comes into play: Neville Goddard was a heretic.
His characterization of the Bible was something which was entirely metaphorical (Noah, Jesus and perhaps God himself were not doing the things they did literally). He tied everything into being metaphor for the use of LoA and had something closer to the Gnostic or the Buddhist in his beliefs of the world and the mentor he mentions having was an imam named Abdullah. In other words, he was every mark of the heretical occultist who may espouse such beliefs. He didn't run in the same circles as Crowley, but whether intentional or not, I believe he had actually created and perfected new techniques of sigil magic by transplanting the need for meditation and written words with the use of sleep states and imagined depiction. By doing so, he unwittingly brought into being a new form of it which could be harnessed by untrained minds. I say this not just because of the implementation of the technique but also because of the warnings associated with it:
1. They both warn of usage by untrained minds and obsession twisting against you. The images and depictions are to be entirely focused upon and then discarded upon the return to normal life.
2. The warning of unintended consequences and the need to be mindful towards what the goal entails in its journey
3. The dispersal of the image towards the universal consciousness is described. There is no specific deity meant to be invoked other than the wish itself and the will behind it.
It's an interesting parallel I've seen in this development and because of the lack of intersection between these groups of the occult it goes understated but I find it interesting (even potentially alarming) regardless.
Edit: spelling error

 

[Ewan McGregor]

the oddest feeling of just absolute revulsion and that he was just not right

We both felt like we were a helpless animal about to have its wings pulled off. I felt like he was going to hurt me. I felt like I was looking at something that wasn’t human, wearing a human disguise.

You have described the exact sensation perfectly.

It's always a chilling experience, but it can save your life!

Chaos Magic

Never met a practitioner that wasn't batshit insane.

 

[Otterly]

EDIT: @Otterly, as a Lutrinidae of Albion, I now summon thee and beg your agreement or disagreement with the nuances of British English as I lay them out.

I agree completely, and agree with @Doctor Love that eccentricity is a particularly British thing and that I have never encountered it as a social concept anywhere else that wasn’t culturally british . .Australia and nz allowed for it, but both are offshoots of British anyway.
I suspect I am somewhat eccentric, and i lived and worked in foreign climes for many years - oddly enough when I was in a Scandinavian country there was the least acceptance of such things. Conformity in that odd way they have does not allow the social space for it.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Never met a practitioner that wasn't batshit insane.

You never will. Which goes even further when I look at it. There are a lot of people who get mental breakdowns from LOA which kind of supports the theory in my opinion. Magic makes you crazy.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

I agree completely, and agree with @Doctor Love that eccentricity is a particularly British thing and that I have never encountered it as a social concept anywhere else that wasn’t culturally british . .Australia and nz allowed for it, but both are offshoots of British anyway.

I beg to differ, I think it's commonly found in other countries.

What about France, Germany, Russia or Japan?

 

[Otterly]

I beg to differ, I think it's commonly found in other countries.

What about France, Germany, Russia or Japan?

I have t lived in any of them. They have the concept of odd people, but I’ve never found anything g like the British concept of eccentricity.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Thats everyone who interacts with gypsies. They see every outsider as a sucker to fuck over, its literally their culture.

I mean, aren't they basically pajeets? It checks

 

[teriyakiburns]

I beg to differ, I think it's commonly found in other countries.

What about France, Germany, Russia or Japan?

Here's the difference.

Peculiar, weird, odd, or just a bit silly is when someone builds a 1/3rd scale model railway in their garden and rides around on a miniature steam engine like a giant invading the 1920s. Harmless fun. Eccentric is when someone builds the same model railway across 15 miles of Kentish pseudo-desert and runs regular, licensed passenger services, including transporting children to and from school, hauled by a fleet of miniature mainline pacifics. It was even requisitioned by the war ministry to carry a miniature armoured train, just in case Kent was invaded by midget nazis.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

midget nazis

I think Hitler was a retard ngl because if he had added the Niedlichkrieg as military doctrine and flooded Europe with mininazis we would be all National Socialist by now.

Because the mininazis would be around, with their high-pitched minivoice, shouting "Gas the jews! Gas the jews!" and everybody would be like "Oh, have you seen them? So cute! Let's do everything they say!"

So I think yeah, the only possible defence would have been orange cats.