The Elder Scrolls

I fucking despised ESO. As an MMO, it was awful. I could make a massive list of all the things I hated, both as a game and as a work in the TES series, but the post would be as long as an OP.

The biggest legacy ESO has for me is that it damaged the TES lore probably beyond repair. They made so many retcons or dumb additions it's staggering, but, unlike Bethesda, they touched every part of worldbuilding rather than just one province. Some of these choices fundamentally undermine interesting lore and damages the internal logic of the world.

Let's take the Altmer as an example: Most Altmer are snobby pricks, but the lore gave a good explanation as to why they have this attitude. They have a lot of cultural, historical and religious reasons for this, but there was another really important and arguably the biggest aspect: their lifespan. We never got a solid number in the old lore, but the closest was Barenziah saying that elves have a thousand-year lifespan, and other lore also implies a very long lifespan. Using this, let's take an example of a gifted painter in Altmeri society. This painter starts to paint when he is a young man; his tutor has been painting for hundreds of years. When he goes to look at other works of art, they have been painted by masters who have painted for hundreds of years maybe even a thousand years. When he goes to sketch a building as a reference, it, likewise, has been made by builders and architects who have gone through a similar process. By the time our Altmer painter is 300 years old (comparative to a 24-year-old in terms of lifespan), he is still a learner in his culture; he has a long way to go to become a master. If this Altmer were to be shown a painting by a gifted human "master" who was 60, it would look like a deviant art post by a 16-year-old. It would be laughable. This applies to everything when comparing Man to the Altmer. Would you not be a smug prick and think you are better than a culture if the absolute unironic artistic zenith of that culture was Tails Gets Trolled?

ESO says nope, they mostly live to 200, maybe 300 if they are lucky, ruining this really interesting piece of lore that shows how a long elven lifespan would have a unique effect on a society.

That's just one of the uncountable changes made.

TL;DR old lore: Altmer are smug pricks because their long life span makes the races of Man look like retarded toddlers in comparison. ESO said, 'Fuck that', and made them have double the lifespan of Men.

Now you could say that Bethesda can just ignore the ESO lore and problem solved, but it isn't. TES has two lores running in parallel. The hard lore (the actual lore written and spoken in-game) and the soft lore (what people/communities think the lore says, fan theories, extra notes and out-of-game writings made by the developers). The soft lore has many times impacted the hard lore, and ESO has absolutely infected the soft lore to the point where it is impossible to excise. Most people who are interested in the lore have picked up ESO slop without even realising it, even if they want to avoid it. If you want to see for yourself, go to UESP and search a race, province or well-known character; read it, and after you are done, look at how much is sourced from ESO. In a lot of cases it's over 80%.
 
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Money, Time, and a love for it.

You need all 3 for that. I don't think anyone in AAA has a love for anything they do anymore. Companies don't want to invest the money into it because its not multiplayer milking their playerbase. The closest we got was Avowed in terms of AA/AAA and it was a fucking joke and embarrassment. No one there loved what they were doing which is why arrows didn't have gravity or stick into walls.
Why lockpicks were just a timer instead of a game.
Why NPCs just stood still instead of going about their date.

No one fucking cared.
Also technology Bethesda is/was sitting on a bunch IP and Industrial Knowledge(basically how to go from a technical package/design to finished product) and could make these massive open world games relatively easily because all of the infrastructure and knowledge were there.
 
I'm not enough of a grognard to play Daggerfall but the cover art is rad as hell. How did we fall so far?

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Louise Sandoval made the DF cover art by the way. That art style is largely a lot lost art (heh), everything else is just...generic. Look at peak John Blanche (ah fuck just found out he died last month), Ian Miller, Frank Frazetta, Clyde Caldwell, list goes on. I don't know what to call that mostly 70's/80's art style, Pulp Fantasy? Yeah you don't see that anymore (the march of time kills all), but you can bet your sweet ass it was awesome even now. Now everything is digital and a lot of the soul is lost.
Well, mostly. There's a lot of fantastic digital art out there, hell some even try to capture the feel of drawn art such as the ones I've mentioned, it's just not often. I think I talked about this before (probably in the TTRPG thread) but eh.
and yet there was a sense of soul that persisted though out their games
Yeah, his first name was Jeremy. :smug: Fitting that a soulless company would kick out a guy who's name is soul and put his soul into their Elder Scrolls (post-Daggerfall) soundtracks.
If this Altmer were to be shown a painting by a gifted human "master" who was 60, it would look like a deviant art post by a 16-year-old. It would be laughable. This applies to everything when comparing Man to the Altmer. Would you not be a smug prick and think you are better than a culture if the absolute unironic artistic zenith of that culture was Tails Gets Trolled?
Reminds me of that one episode of Futurama where Fry and the Professor go to planet Vinci, the old fucker is the smartest person on Earth but compared to Vinci's inhabitants, he's practically a drooling retard. Funnily enough these inhabitants have long life spans like pre-ESO Altmer since Leonardo da Vinci is nearly 2000 years old.
 
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Reminds me of that one episode of Futurama where Fry and the Professor go to planet Vinci, the old fucker is the smartest person on Earth but compared to Vinci's inhabitants, he's practically a drooling retard. Funnily enough these inhabitants have long life spans like pre-ESO Altmer since Leonardo da Vinci is nearly 2000 years old.
iirc the crazy mage that lives in an iceberg in Skyrim says something along the lines of "I am clever among Men, but compared to the stupidest Dwemer, I am an ignorant child". The Dwemer had intelligence as their highest virtue in addition to their long lives and were able to invent robotics, steam power and an artificial god. For Altmer, perfection is their highest virtue so imagine a culture that believes that you have to do everything perfectly and can live to be 1000 years old. The pocket guide to empire mentions that Alinor was built so that the windows and glass of the city's giant towers perfectly line up so that as the light from the sun passes through them it turns the city into a giant work of art via a mirage of colors. In ESO it looks like Disney land/ generic high elf city #23512
 
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