The Confederate Flag

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Alright, @*Asterisk* is being very spergy over a flag that only edgelords and racists would wave at all.

Now, going to my thoughts on the flag, because I am what people consider to be a Northerner (born and raised in New York), I'm probably not the best person to speak on the subject because I am not a Southerner. However, I must say that waving the Confederate flag is pretty anti-American because the Confederate States fought against the Union (America). Due to it's horrible reputation of being associated with the Ku Klux Klan and white supremacists as well as slavery, it's pretty egregious that some state and federal buildings wave that flag because "muh Southern pride". There are other ways to be show your pride for your heritage such as barbeque, NASCAR, Pepsi, Coke, Dr. Pepper, the Kentucky Derby, squaredancing, various films and games that take place in the South, and other non-racist, offensive things that have a positive reputation that originated in the South. Of all the many things that originated in the South that people use to celebrate their heritage, it's sad that people choose to wave the Confederate flag as a means to celebrate it.

Any Northerner or foreigner that waves the Confederate flag is an edgelord though.
 
I happen to be of the belief that banning it is, to quote Maddox, as dumbfuck as shit in a pant. Let me elaborate.

The thing about the South's Flag is that whilst yes, it's a symbol of a bygone age that America has long since left behind (and, by and large, are richer for having lost), it's still one we should all note and all be aware of. If we ban it, we sort of risk running into the same madness that Europe has where even discussing Nazi war atrocities is a crime (yes, we know they happened, but a law mandating that you cannot discuss them is madness). This has, paradoxically, led to a situation where neo-nazis have a small but notable presence specifically because of the fucking Streisand Effect.

But there's something else to consider too. Ponder, if you will, the following:

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I've been informed this comic isn't bad. I'll take Scott's word for it.

Being a filthy Northerner, I'm not someone who will make the argument that it being around is necessarily a good thing, but for better or for worse, it's part of our history as a country, and in a lot of ways, has sort of been enshrined Americana-style. Think of all the various places you see the Confederate Flag, away from bullshit political stuff, and you wind up with a surprisingly diverse amount of works it shows up in. The General Lee in Dukes of Hazard, referenced in the Terran Confederacy in Starcraft, have it as a backdrop in curiously racially-inclusive comic books like Captain Confederacy, and so on. The racial connotations for the flag are pretty shite, but there's another take we can look at and see in a very different light.

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I imagine Katsu's use of the flag is along these lines.

It's one of those things that I don't think can't be "taken back" by people who actually give a shit. That's not me saying it, either - a lot of people would love to turn that symbol on its fucking head as the biggest possible "fuck you" to where it came from. When I've discussed the flag with Southerners, you have the obvious dipshit reasons, but you also have ones that have embraced it from a position of "yeah, we did something stupid, we fucked up, but that very fucking up was kind of fucking important, so let's remember that and embrace it as a symbol of never fucking up that hard again."

As it stands, I'm against banning it, and all for private citizens having it up (though it has no place being raised above governmental buildings, even in the deep south. Federal law says the US Flag goes highest.). I am also 100% in favor of southerners taking that flag and trying to do something better with it, even if it's just to piss off Stormfags (always a noble pursuit).
 
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Stop being speds.
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We're all posting on a website dedicated to following Chris Chan and other lolcows, it's hard not to be one under the circumstances.
 
White Guy: We did it! That horrible symbol of hate is finally being eradicated!
Black Guy: Neat. Can I have that raise now?
White Guy: Let's not go crazy.
 
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I absolutely support the removal of the Confederate Flag and Iconography in many of the places where they currently stand, and even the renaming of places, if that's what the voters want.


Again, I'm using "immoral" in a very broad sense of the term. It's sort of like how you can use the phrase "rock" to describe the Rolling Stones and Nickelback, or use the phrase "game" to describe Red Dead Redemption and Duke Nukem Forever.
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Dude, don't diss Red Dead Redemption, that was a fun game.
 
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