The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

[brownsuagrbubbletea]

now that it’s ended, is the boys worth seeing for someone who has no clue abt both the show and the comic?

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

now that it’s ended, is the boys worth seeing for someone who has no clue abt both the show and the comic?

No.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

There is a reaso Batman Beyond is one of my favorite TV shows, they were really cooking with that one.

The really funny thing about Batman Beyond is that the promos WB ran for the premiere were so awful and misrepresented the show so badly that a lot of people didn't watch the prime-time launch episode.

Those of us who did, and saw what made Bruce Wayne retire in the cold open, were fucking floored. And then that incredible theme song kicked in.

now that it’s ended, is the boys worth seeing for someone who has no clue abt both the show and the comic?

Fuck no.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

now that it’s ended, is the boys worth seeing for someone who has no clue abt both the show and the comic?

Watch up to Season 3 for Soldier Boy. That's it. Everything after that is just them twiddling their thumbs and going around, trying to solve a problem they could've solved by the end of S3. In other words, filler.

 

[Kyria the Great]

The really shocking thing about Batman Beyond is that it was initially pushed as one of those shows that was required to have a moral message at the end of every episode by the network, yet the people making it had such talent that they were able to create something unique and great within those constraints.

Batman Beyond is more mature and memorable than any of the R-rated (R for retarded btw) modern slop like the Boys or Invincible

I agree because true maturity is how to handle the topics at hand. Id also say the Incredibles is far more mature than The Boys as well even if it's a family film. The discovery of all of the dead supers being used as combat tests hit harder and are more shocking than any attempts of hyper violence most series have.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

The way Kripke had Homelander grovel and beg was obviously a humiliation ritual for the character and Starr, as well as what he wishes would happen to Trump.

A good and compelling story could be drawn from the comic and varying superhero deconstructions but that would require effort, money, time, and someone interested in telling a good story versus sperging about Trump and his political opponents.

Amazing how the right is able to understand the left and steelman their arguments while the left is incapable and unwilling to do the same.

 

[Calandrino]

now that it’s ended, is the boys worth seeing for someone who has no clue abt both the show and the comic?

I've followed it entirely through Homelander clips on YouTube: highly recommend. I seriously didn't even realize Jack Quaid was in the show until like a month ago.

 

[ANF]

I think upon reflection of the comic I think it's both a plus and a minus that the supervillain/criminal side of the capes aspect wasn't tackled.

It was, very briefly. Legend explains to Hughie at some point how supervillains are just regular supes going postal, with Vought propaganda creating a more impressive narrative around the whole thing to prop up whatever hero was sent to deal with them.

On one hand it makes you wonder what the hell the superheroes are even doing(or are said to be doing) for them to have a public image in the first place, seems like SuperDuper were the only ones interested in any kind of community service or any kind of crime fighting(I'm aware Vought directs their superheroes away from actual law enforcement), and it would have opened up interesting possiblities if Vought or a rival company to Vought was funding the criminal aspect to benefit/harm Vought's grip on the industry.

Supes do occasionally get into some heroics, but under heavy Vought supervision and away from official efforts, Starlight's old team was mentioned to have gotten big after doing some disaster relief aid during heavy flooding.
As far as I remember the idea there was that superheroes could be doing a lot more good, but Vought doesn't want them to directly cooperate with the authorities until they get their defense contracts and couldn't be assed to privately train them to actually be an efficient alternative to gubmint services in the meantime.

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

Like I said, it's really fucking bad when stuff aimed at a much younger audience, namely, My Hero Academia has a more thought out world (and better villains with actual motivations beyond "I'm crazy because no one loved me")

Mind you, nothing in the boys is as well done as this villain origin

Kid kills his entire family because his quirk (or is it his?) activated and it turns out he turns anything he touches with all 5 fingers of a hand to dust, then scooped up by the diabolical main villain at just the right time.
More importantly to the origin, Tenko becomes a villain not because he kills his family accidentily, its because everyone in his life was a bystander to him, his family watched his dad abuse him, and after his family died, no one particularly cared about him, he was left to his own suffering by everyone around him, and this instills a deep desire to destroy society, one that could create a situation that created him.

 

[God of Nothing]

Amazing how the right is able to understand the left and steelman their arguments while the left is incapable and unwilling to do the same.

there was an outright study done on this shit
turns out leftists don't even know what their opponents think

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

there was an outright study done on this shit
turns out leftists don't even know what their opponents think

I think they do, they utilize DoubleThink so they never have to outwardly admit it, its coy games with them, its also how they cope with all the purity spiraling and struggle sessions over topics that are absurd like Tranny shit, where the smarter ones know its not true, but with double think, they can also know its true.

They purposefully never allow themselves to admit or "know" what Right wingers think, feel or believe, but they also know what they think feel and believe, if its necessary for them to, at their core, DoubleThink is the most important tool Leftists use, and a shackle they willingly put on and can never remove, lest they be cast out, for the rest of their lives.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

The way Kripke had Homelander grovel and beg was obviously a humiliation ritual for the character and Starr, as well as what he wishes would happen to Trump.

A good and compelling story could be drawn from the comic and varying superhero deconstructions but that would require effort, money, time, and someone interested in telling a good story versus sperging about Trump and his political opponents.

Amazing how the right is able to understand the left and steelman their arguments while the left is incapable and unwilling to do the same.

That is down to the circular superiority complex of the left.

Why should they consider anything that goes against their beliefs? Their beliefs are superior, because it is they who believe them, and they are superior because they subscribe to those beliefs.

 

[GeorgeSmarty]

Why should they consider anything that goes against their beliefs? Their beliefs are superior, because it is they who believe them, and they are superior because they subscribe to those beliefs.

Huh, now that I think about it that sounds like many people on this side.

 

[GeorgeSmarty]

Though to be fair even on this website there are tons of people who run around with the exactly same mindset and only have certain opinions switched around.

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

To further compare The Boys to My Hero (sad, but weirdly apt as both are super hero deconstructions in different and opposing ways), let's do Main Villain Motivation.

Homelander, he's spiteful, angry, and most of all, lonely, eh wants to fill the void of love that he never had, by force, and he hates that others fear him, and his reaction, is overwelming violence, which makes other fear him, he's too narcissistic to bridge the gap and realize the connection, what is his plan? to declare himself God and make everyone love him or die.

Its the opitme of childish behavior, quite literally, he has nothing else, no one believes he's a god but his dick-sucks, and he dies like a child, pathetically, because he's supposed to be Donald Trump too, somehow.

Shigaraki, the main villain (though not the ultimate evil) of the plot, his anger and wrath aren't so individually driven, infact, he has people he actually likes, his fellow societal rejects, and would never fuck them over or kill them, Shigaraki however, hates the society that created him, and he hates those that instill what he considers false hope into the people, those who make them completely and totally reliant on them, namely, the Big Hero's, aka All Might, a being so universally capable that all of society defers to him, it makes everyone a bystander and is likely a large reason no one wanted to help Shigaraki after his incident as a child..

This has made him willing and able to commit genocide, his Goal? to "decay" a particularly large mountain in Japan (you know the one) and cause such an ecological disaster that Japan essentially sinks into the ocean, he is given this level of power, and its demonstrated and shown to us that he COULD DO IT, unlike Homelander, where they just talk about his overwelming might, and never show.

He destroys an entire Tokyo size City, with a single touch to the ground, everything touching everything touching everything is decayed into DUST, millions of men, women and children all die in a wave of pure malice from one young man who is totally, and completely willing to destroy all of civilization, simply because it allowed for his life to come to pass.

 

[Overly Serious]

It kind of makes me MATHI that the Venture Brothers aka the greatest superhero parody/deconstruction ever made had financial problems throughout its entire run and Amazon happily threw a hundred million plus at this garbage show.

The Venture Bros is made by comics geeks for comics geeks. The sort of people who get a kick out of seeing some parody of an obscure hero or insanely specialist joke. Most people don't really want to watch a show where a character is sniffily correcting another because the Tolkien language they're reading is Sindarin, not Quenya.

Sorry - but it was never a matter of budget.

I think they do, they utilize DoubleThink so they never have to outwardly admit it, its coy games with them, its also how they cope with all the purity spiraling and struggle sessions over topics that are absurd like Tranny shit, where the smarter ones know its not true, but with double think, they can also know its true.

They purposefully never allow themselves to admit or "know" what Right wingers think, feel or believe, but they also know what they think feel and believe, if its necessary for them to, at their core, DoubleThink is the most important tool Leftists use, and a shackle they willingly put on and can never remove, lest they be cast out, for the rest of their lives.

I know the study @God of Nothing is likely referring to and it's not hypocrisy. They genuinely don't. In this study, when asked what a Left Wing person thinks a Right Wing person gives a more accurate response than the reverse. It ties into the prevailing views of each faction of the other. The Left tends to view the Right as evil, and the Right tends to view the Left as misguided (or idiots, depending on how charitable they're feeling). It's a very real and notable disconnect.

Part of it likely comes with age and the fact many more conservative and Right wing people were themselves once Left Wing. They can remember how they thought. And the reason for their drift often isn't that their morality changed, but that what they thought worked changed, and what their perception of propaganda changed.

Not wholly, mind. Another study talked about different moral foundations of the Right and Left. There are a range of moral foundations and they overlap between Right and Left but are not the same. In fact, iirc, the Right had a wider selection of moral foundations than the Left. I could try to find it if interested. The chief difficulty is that Academia is something of an echo chamber for the Left and you can lose your career by appearing to be Right. That narrows the range of studies that get done on such things and colours the analysis that is done.

 

[Jerk Sausage]

@Overly Serious
The Moral Stereotypes of Liberals and Conservatives: Exaggeration of Differences across the Political Spectrum (archive)
Liberals and Conservatives Rely on Different Sets of Moral Foundations (archive)

The weird thing to me is, they did make Homelander a tragic figure in the show. He was a test tube baby tortured his entire childhood with absolutely nobody to trust or care for him. He was 100% sympathetic when he returned to the science lab where he grew up and killed everyone involved who humiliated and tortured him as a child. Even the most anti-authoritarian viewers would've at least felt like he was somewhat justified in that.

It doesn't make any sense in storytelling to then glorify his death and humiliate a sympathetic villain, even if there's only a shred of sympathy, unless it's a humiliation ritual. The artistic intention is the same as filming an Islamic beheading video; terrorize those opposed and celebrate the death of the infidels.

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

doesn't make any sense in storytelling to then glorify his death and humiliate a sympathetic villain, even if there's only a shred of sympathy, unless it's a humiliation ritual. The artistic intention is the same as filming an Islamic beheading video; terrorize those opposed and celebrate the death of the infidels.

Its on purpose, Leftists want their followers to know the enemy can be sympathetic, but must be slaughtered anyway, remember, Homelander is every right-wing guy they want to kill, especially Trump, they need to dehumanize them but also allow for the thought they have human characteristics so people can commit to it still.

 

[BubbaRobot887]

Its on purpose, Leftists want their followers to know the enemy can be sympathetic, but must be slaughtered anyway, remember, Homelander is every right-wing guy they want to kill, especially Trump, they need to dehumanize them but also allow for the thought they have human characteristics so people can commit to it still.

They need people to go out there and gun down people like Charlie Kirk who have never harmed anyone in their lives, so they have to say that people on the right may look human but they are not, so shooting us isn't murder.

Remember the left are behind every mass genocide ever commited, include the great leap forward. They are a blood thirsty lot who always argue that their victims were not really human in thd first place.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I agree because true maturity is how to handle the topics at hand. Id also say the Incredibles is far more mature than The Boys as well even if it's a family film. The discovery of all of the dead supers being used as combat tests hit harder and are more shocking than any attempts of hyper violence most series have.

Because at the end of the day, gross-out humor and subversiveness is nowhere near as mature as a film with a lesson to teach.

Like I said, it's really fucking bad when stuff aimed at a much younger audience, namely, My Hero Academia has a more thought out world (and better villains with actual motivations beyond "I'm crazy because no one loved me")

Mind you, nothing in the boys is as well done as this villain origin

MHA respects the idea of superheroes and respects their fans. The Boys comic and show insults the very idea of superheroes and despises the fans of the latter.

There is the main differentiating factor. Respect. The anime and kids' films have a sense of respect for the concept of superheroes, whereas the Boys comic despises the very idea of it, and the show isn't much better in that regard.