Tabletop Roleplaying Games (D&D, Pathfinder, CoC, ETC.)

[HorridHenry]

Dragonborn are such soulless garbage. I can't peg a single character trait for them. And there are so many better reptilian humanoids baked into the lore.

I would settle for playable kobolds instead. They at least have character. You have these scrappy little twerps who simp for dragons to feel big. It's got a fun pathos.

Or do lizard men as like "uh oh the sun worshipping cannibal just can't stop himself from eating people's dogs because he doesn't understand mammalian pair bonding. But he's the party tank so everyone scolds him like it's a joke".

Like what is the honest to God appeal of even roleplaying one!?

 

[DickMain]

I've been working on my own card game for a couple years now, a slow burn project in my free time, and I was wondering if anybody knew of any decent software I could use to quickly do some prototyping (I don't need any sort of fancy automation beyond a deck being able to be shuffled). I have almost 300 cards at this point and testing in tabletop sim is becoming too tedious.

 

[40 Year Old Boomer]

You know people that can play Maid RPG without being unfunny fucked-up losers or belong on a sex offender registry? Damn I envy you.

Because we're funny fucked-up losers that were very disappointed when we tried to sign up to be sex offenders and found out that's not what they meant.

 

[40 Year Old Boomer]

Dragonborn are such soulless garbage. I can't peg a single character trait for them. And there are so many better reptilian humanoids baked into the lore.

I would settle for playable kobolds instead. They at least have character. You have these scrappy little twerps who simp for dragons to feel big. It's got a fun pathos.

Or do lizard men as like "uh oh the sun worshipping cannibal just can't stop himself from eating people's dogs because he doesn't understand mammalian pair bonding. But he's the party tank so everyone scolds him like it's a joke".

Like what is the honest to God appeal of even roleplaying one!?

Exactly. With lizardmen you can go full meso-american heart carving on a pyramid or tribals in the swamp revering a giant crocodile spirit they call Granpappy Snappy and kobolds got soulbolds, but dragonborn ain't got shit. Pile of stats with a humdrum breath weapon.

 

[Gingervitis]

Dragonborn are such soulless garbage. I can't peg a single character trait for them. And there are so many better reptilian humanoids baked into the lore.

I would settle for playable kobolds instead. They at least have character. You have these scrappy little twerps who simp for dragons to feel big. It's got a fun pathos.

Or do lizard men as like "uh oh the sun worshipping cannibal just can't stop himself from eating people's dogs because he doesn't understand mammalian pair bonding. But he's the party tank so everyone scolds him like it's a joke".

Like what is the honest to God appeal of even roleplaying one!?

I don’t get why they don’t just make dragons playable. It worked fine enough for 2e (Council of Wyrms) and 3e (the two Dragon Magazine articles I can’t be assed to find), and there’s nothing stopping WotC from making a playable Dragon Wyrmling race beyond not wanting their scaly OC Donut Steeles overshadowed.

 

[Glory To Arztotska]

Dragonborn are such soulless garbage. I can't peg a single character trait for them. And there are so many better reptilian humanoids baked into the lore.

I would settle for playable kobolds instead. They at least have character. You have these scrappy little twerps who simp for dragons to feel big. It's got a fun pathos.

Or do lizard men as like "uh oh the sun worshipping cannibal just can't stop himself from eating people's dogs because he doesn't understand mammalian pair bonding. But he's the party tank so everyone scolds him like it's a joke".

Like what is the honest to God appeal of even roleplaying one!?

I do concur and I prefer Worlds Without Number's approach where lizardfolk and dragon people are both just variants of the shared lizardfolk race-class/perk.

 

[Glory To Arztotska]

Apologies for doublepost, I'm still figuring out how to kludge quotes into post edits.

Because we're funny fucked-up losers that were very disappointed when we tried to sign up to be sex offenders and found out that's not what they meant.

I like the cut of your jib.

 

[Ghostse]

Dragonborn are such soulless garbage. I can't peg a single character trait for them. And there are so many better reptilian humanoids baked into the lore.

I would settle for playable kobolds instead. They at least have character. You have these scrappy little twerps who simp for dragons to feel big. It's got a fun pathos.

Or do lizard men as like "uh oh the sun worshipping cannibal just can't stop himself from eating people's dogs because he doesn't understand mammalian pair bonding. But he's the party tank so everyone scolds him like it's a joke".

Like what is the honest to God appeal of even roleplaying one!?

That's on a bad GM or a bad player.

You have Dragonborn dedicated to continuing the war with Bel'Turath and ready to genocide any tieflings; how can you dislike any race this unfathomably based?

You can have Dragonborn leaning all the way into the Draconic hertitage. Worshipping Dragons is for chumps, I'm a better dragon suck it.

They are basically just less asshole dragons without the size and squeezing problems. Its like saying humans don't have a single character trait.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

The Radiant Citadel itself is a hippie commune in the Ethereal Plane where everyone always gets along thanks to the power of diversity. Everybody shares everything, there is no military or police presence (but there are mental health counselors!), its only defense is a shield that can only be activated if all of the ruling council agrees, and it gets its funding thanks to high taxes on anyone wealthy who visits (but they only give out of the goodness of their heart because the Radiant Citadel is just so heckin' wholesome they can't help it). Oh yeah, and if you commit a serious crime, you get heckin' reeducated (read: mindbroken) and banished forever. Isn't that great?

You know, this could been an interesting "BBEG's interplanar fortress-city" if it was written by someone with signs of intelligence.
>Hard to reach due to being in another plane of existence
>Instead of ACAB faggotry it would have a standing garrison of brainwashed adventurers who foolishly tried stop them, most are probably high level
>"mental health counselors" conduct and maintain the brainwashing, maybe Mind Flayers to get people's attention due to BG3
>Shield always activated because otherwise that's retarded, instead for it to be turned off the entire ruling council agrees
>Gets funding from "reeducated" strategically placed noble pawns or tributes from kowtowed populations as "donations"
Maybe I should take this and rewrite it to not be stupid, name it "Abyssal Fortress" and have it in Gehenna or Acheron or something. Make the ruling council remnants of Netheril to please the BG3fags. Just spitballing ideas.

Apologies for doublepost, I'm still figuring out how to kludge quotes into post edits.

There are two means of quoting a post.
The first is to press the "Quote" option underneath, which will add the post to a multiquote. If you have any quoted messages stored in a multiquote, the "Insert Quote" button will show up next to the "Attach Files" button.
The other method, which sometimes is the only method if a post exceeds a certain length, is to click and drag a portion of the text, after which options to Quote or Reply to the highlighted segment will show up. Quote will add it to a multiquote, while Reply will append it straight to your post.

That was @Lords Greatsword quote.
Here's a visual example, click the quote button on any post you want to quote:

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[Glory To Arztotska]

Sounds like the Monolith from STALKER. I like it.

 

[strawberry15]

You have Dragonborn dedicated to continuing the war with Bel'Turath and ready to genocide any tieflings; how can you dislike any race this unfathomably based?

Because it is only in 4e. In 5e, they hatch from dragons.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Dragons aren't usually playable in DnD because of balance, I suppose. They start with flight and a breath weapon, and they literally get stronger with time. Granted, no sane GM will let them age to Elder status, but I'm sure a competent party would find out ways to accelerate a dragon's growth.
As for Aasimars not being part of the core races but Tieflings do, I wonder if it's related to the fact Aasimars are usually meant to be seen as good, while Tiefs are the opposite*, and nowadays all that is good is seen as haram.

*Naturally, evil Aasimar and good Tiefs are to be expected.

 

[Ghostse]

Dragons aren't usually playable in DnD because of balance, I suppose. They start with flight and a breath weapon, and they literally get stronger with age. Granted, no sane GM will let them age to Elder status, but I'm sure a competent party would find out ways to accelerate a dragon's growth.
As for Aasimars not being part of the core races but Tieflings do, I wonder if it's related to the fact Aasimars are usually meant to be seen as good, while Tiefs are the opposite*, and nowadays all that is good is seen as haram.

*Naturally, evil Aasimar and good Tiefs are to be expected.

Dragons haven't been done right since 2e.
3e a dragon was pretty much TPK. 4e tried to give you tiered encounterable but that just sort of made them common enemies.

Its less that Dragons themselves were bettwe in 1e/2e, but the game was more focused on the best fight is the one that never happens which is where Dragons work best. Flatter, bribe, hell if all else fails just fall on your face in the dirt and plead you are too insignificant and worthless for a great and mighty Dragon to bother killing; there's better odds of that working than you survivng the 1/2 damage even if you pass the save.

 

[strawberry15]

Dragons aren't usually playable in DnD because of balance, I suppose. They start with flight and a breath weapon, and they literally get stronger with time. Granted, no sane GM will let them age to Elder status, but I'm sure a competent party would find out ways to accelerate a dragon's growth.
As for Aasimars not being part of the core races but Tieflings do, I wonder if it's related to the fact Aasimars are usually meant to be seen as good, while Tiefs are the opposite*, and nowadays all that is good is seen as haram.

*Naturally, evil Aasimar and good Tiefs are to be expected.

in 4e, where tieflings become a common race, they believed aasimar was just bland. they believed tiefling was more interesting this is why instead of aasimar, they created Deva. It is just stupid.

Dragons haven't been done right since 2e.
3e a dragon was pretty much TPK. 4e tried to give you tiered encounterable but that just sort of made them common enemies.

Its less that Dragons themselves were bettwe in 1e/2e, but the game was more focused on the best fight is the one that never happens which is where Dragons work best. Flatter, bribe, hell if all else fails just fall on your face in the dirt and plead you are too insignificant and worthless for a great and mighty Dragon to bother killing; there's better odds of that working than you survivng the 1/2 damage even if you pass the save.

dragons in Ad&d were much much better than those in pf, and 3.5. while i like 4e monster design, that design works with enemies ith big numbers and compositon and solo encounters even if you put other creatures around them, felt always lacking. Dragon should feel like an impassible, unaproachable obstacle you must aoid at all cost. I like BG2 dragons. Fiirkaag was a blast to kill! unless i am chesing, i had to literally spend 2 magic user and 3 clerics spell slots and event then the victory is not guaranteed!

 

[Judge Dredd]

I don't really care if someone wants to play Disney's Robinhood as long as they aren't a furcoomer. Actually let me take that back, as long as I can't tell they are a furcoomer.

This is fair. The problem is when people on the internet assume that having even heard of Disney's Robin Hood = Furfag who wants to turn every session into a vore ERP session.

Draconians are superior in every way, especially once Don Perrin started writing stories about them.

Never heard of them. What are they?

They are a little min-maxy but their breath weapon is so conditional and usually sucks it'd be better to just carry some alchemical flasks.

That's a surprise. The complaint I hear all the time is the RAW dragonborn are not viable as a race due to having no dark vision and breath weapon not scaling with main stat.

How would y'all balance the D&D 3.5th edition classes, you can't ban any of the core classes or anything from tiers 5 and 6, npc classes can be ignored.

Play a different game.

Serious answer, I wouldn't really bother. I find 3.5 to be a lost cause from time playing Pathfinder.

AD&D 1e settings, or anything going for that classic late 70s/80s feel. The basic conceit of all those early settings is that the world is a human world.

When it comes to 80s fantasy, I'd like something with a more "cover of Heavy Metal" vibe to it.

Since I’m a gay retard autist, I personally sort D&D settings into four different categories

Where does Al Quidim fit in? I guess era 2.

Also I've not heard of any of the era 3 stuff except Eberron. I might have to give them a look.

Era 1 settings all blur together for me.

Okay, so a bit of a follow-up to a prior question; what's everyone's thoughts on the Dragonborn, or similar? I know a lot of people here really aren't fond of any "furry"/non-human races in DnD - thanks, Tabaxi and Tiefling players - but I was wondering if you guys banned the dragon race as well. They seem similar to the Leonin that @King Dead mentioned, but I also know they've got a fanbase, though not as cancerous as Tabaxi from what I've seen.

I've talked at length about this before. It's fun for me to repeat, but I'll keep it brief for your sake.

A lot of the outrage online I find overblown.
I don't mind anthro enjoyers, I even don't mind full on furries most of the time. Though in my experience the cringe stereotypes people talk about online are limited to specific people and places. Furry meets, conventions, that weird guy in college, that kind of thing. They tend to be easy to spot. Long hair, rainbow bangle, and a bag with a paw print on it.

I like Dragonborn a lot personally. I say this as someone who play Argonion in Skyrim despite not being very good. I have a soft spot for beast races in general. Humans, Elves, and Hobbits are the vanilla and extra vanilla of DnD. Dragonborn and Warforged are the strawberry and mint chocolate. I think Dwarves are the only stock human-like race I enjoy.

I have a soft ban on short stacks. Goblins, Hobbits, etc. (dwarves dont count) I don't enforce it or even tell my players, but something feels off about them, especially if the game has some kind of adult theme. eg. If I pitch a game where we're playing Conan with ripped guys in loincloths and babes in chainmail bikinis, and someone brings a hobbit. They're out.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Dragons aren't usually playable in DnD because of balance, I suppose.

And yet I can't get anyone to play RIFTs.

Dragonborn are such soulless garbage. I can't peg a single character trait for them.

This is a really strange thing about dragonborn. They have lore and character traits, and people seem to know them. And yet talking online gets me confused responces and questions of where I'm pulling this lore from.

eg.

Because it is only in 4e. In 5e, they hatch from dragons.

I've not heard that before. But I assume they got it somewhere.

In my case, they have a noble warrior honour culture. Often seen as overly serious as a result. But I think it was in this thread I was asked where that was printed, and couldn't find it. And what's weird is I came into DnD at 5e, so it's not like I'm pulling it for 2e books or something.

 

[strawberry15]

In my case, they have a noble warrior honour culture. Often seen as overly serious as a result. But I think it was in this thread I was asked where that was printed, and couldn't find it. And what's weird is I came into DnD at 5e, so it's not like I'm pulling it for 2e books or something.

That is from 4e, maybe your dm or player had experiance in 4e and implemented that to here.
Also 3rd era settings are nice but very underdeveloped. Dragon fist could have been interesting...

 

[The Ugly One]

When it comes to 80s fantasy, I'd like something with a more "cover of Heavy Metal" vibe to it.

Be careful what you wish for.

Spoiler: Warning: NSFL

 

[40 Year Old Boomer]

Never heard of them. What are they?

Corrupted draconic humanoids originally created by a dark ritual performed on metallic dragon eggs by an ancient red dragon, an evil wizard, and a cleric of Not-Tiamat (Takhisis). Rather than being color coded carbon copies with breath weapons, each type has a specific morphology, powers, and death throes.

Brass are Baaz and are typically fighters and turn to stone when they die, capturing enemy melee weapons or even holding them in place depending upon circumstance.

Copper are Kapak and tend to be rogues and fighters. They have glands that produce venom for spitting or coating weapons and when they die they dissolve into puddles of noxious acid.

Bronze are Bozak and are natural spellcasters. Their bones explode upon death.

Silver are Sivak. They can actually fly while the others are only capable of gliding. Their gimmick is shapeshifting. If they kill another humanoid, they can take their shape. They also take on the shape of their killer when they die, potentially causing confusion on the battlefield.

Gold are Auraks. They have no wings, are more powerful spellcasters, and on death go berserk for a minute or two, catch on fire during this, then explode even harder.

They have a militaristic culture what with being corrupted child soldiers since hatching and are a new enough race in the setting that the first generation are still kicking around and would be in their 80s. They were basically just disposable mooks until Don Perrin started writing stories about them, drawing on his own experience in the military.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

A lot of the outrage online I find overblown.
I don't mind anthro enjoyers, I even don't mind full on furries most of the time.

From my experience, a lot of the dislike is more from people who've had some bad experiences with furries, rather than the races themselves; I've got nothing on Tabaxi, but the reputation from furries is what kills my interest, not to mention some bad prior experiences with furries in other games. That said, I can also say that there's some DMs/players who think that there should only be humans + maybe a few other humanlike races in a fantasy setting, and get autistic when they don't get their way, so...

I have a soft spot for beast races in general.

Same with me, honestly; not that I dislike playing humans, it just feels like a fun opportunity to play a monster race. Cool lore and ability opportunities, you know?

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Also, hate to be that guy, but there's a few more beast races I was curious about. As stated, Tabaxi are pretty much ground zero for furfaggotry, Leonin are fairly alright, Dragonborn are undercooked, Aarakocra tend to be popular with flying enthusiasts more than anything, and Lizardfolk are... mixed. The other races I was curious about are:

- Minotaur: (Multiverse, Ravnica)

- Bearfolk (Ebon Tides)

- Harengon (Multiverse)

- Loxodon (Ravnica)

Anyone got any experience or horror stories with them? They feel fun or bad to use? How popular are they with furries?

Also, last question: does anyone have any thoughts on Mr. Welch's take on Mystara? Was thinking about trying to convince my DM to run some stuff from it, since it seems like fun.