Sympathy for ILJ?

[Creepuscular]

Also it really ain't cool to accuse her parents of molesting her.

Maybe it doesn’t matter, but my spider-sense tells me it might be a good idea to do that purely as a courtesy to Null.

 

[Thomas Highway]

I feel "sympathy" in that I think most of the really hideous claims about her are exaggerated or mostly the result of her own bullshit tall tales being taken more seriously than they should be. That said she's clearly an asshole, at the very least. One of those people who seems to enjoy making other people feel awful and uncomfortable. Reading the discord logs it's obvious she's a tryhard edgelord who gets off on bringing out the worst in people. She has little empathy for others even at her best. I don't think she killed her dog, but she definitely harassed a trans student and then basically laughed when they committed suicide. That's just straight up fucked up.

Bro she boils hamsters.

 

[cow-wannabe]

Also it really ain't cool to accuse her parents of molesting her.

These poor fuckers are already dealing with enough.

Yes. I should make clear that speculating about molestation is not speculation about who did such a thing if it occurred (and if I suggested as much I retract it), although I will make clear they (or at least some of them) neglected, and continue to neglect, her, as evidenced at least by the emergency custody order glowly-dad got against fly-mom.

 

[Thomas Highway]

Yes. I should make clear that speculating about molestation is not speculation about who did such a thing if it occurred (and if I suggested as much I retract it), although I will make clear they (or at least some of them) neglected, and continue to neglect, her, as evidenced at least by the emergency custody order glowly-dad got against fly-mom.

Glowy shit is about as reality based as Zoomer shit.

These are narratives.

 

[Spooky Bones]

To OP and other tender-hearted virgin males: what about Sean Walker / WCT?
He's way, way less involved than Bella. Never boiled any hamsters. Never stole from Chris. The most he's guilty of is being a conceited histrionic teenager.

So why then? I mean why do you make threads defending this evil bitch, but not Sean Walker? What could the difference between these two individuals be? I'll give you the answer: one X chromosome and eight cup sizes.

Sorry, but I don't really think this comparison holds water. People mostly feel bad for Bella due to the sheer volume of hate she is getting I think, Gunt perhaps excepted. WCT may or may not get his time to shine depending on whether or not something horrible comes out about him (although lacking a glowdad and big tits he is less memeable.) Then people can feel bad for him and then if there is still a disproportionate response, then you can chalk it up to sexism. If anything I think the degree of exposure Bella is getting is where any sexism would likely be found. Like I said, memeable.

 

[cow-wannabe]

Glowy shit is about as reality based as Zoomer shit.

These are narratives.

The glowy stuff is just a meme, but the emergency custody order was detailed in this post.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/micha...l-team-four-and-six-member.97511/post-9728139

 

[Creepuscular]

as evidenced at least by the emergency custody order glowly-dad got against fly-mom.

It was speculated this was because Bella went to TTU.

Since he’s in New Mexico, and mom is in NYC, it makes sense for there to have been a custody transfer.

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

It was speculated this was because Bella went to TTU.

Since he’s in New Mexico, and mom is in NYC, it makes sense for there to have been a custody transfer.

That makes no sense. She wouldn't be at TTU until over 18, so there is no custody at that point.

 

[Spooky Bones]

The custody case was in Maryland

 

[Donaldo]

If all of that is true that's even more reason to limit exposure online and not act like a retard.

She can either learn from this or keep rolling in the shit. WHERE ARE THE PARENTS? Hopefully her dad told her to shut up, she has been silent and not sperging out.

 

[Linkin Park]

If you feel sympathy for Bella, you're the first syllable of that word. A simp. Put the same story on anyone from EDP to Nick Fuentes, and they'd be getting hell.

How the hell do you guys think we got here? Too many people felt sympathy for her, because she has a vagina, and that goes from her weirdo, enabler friends to her glowie parents.

 

[cow-wannabe]

Right well, I'm off to bed folks. Thanks for all the opinions, facts, and debate so far, it's been really useful in trying to muddle through to some sense in all of this, and my reaction score doesn't seem to have taken that bad a hit, which is a plus.

Next week I'm thinking of starting a thread in the name of diversity to farm a lot of the Islamic Content reactions that I'm sorely missing.

"ILJ - Are Hamsters Halal?"

Night all and catch up tomorrow.

 

[Creepuscular]

That makes no sense. She wouldn't be at TTU until over 18, so there is no custody at that point.

You are correct. I was going by the part in the custody order saying "Consent Emergency Motion for Order Allowing Minor Childs Immediate Enrollment in School".

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

Sociopath by definition is mostly "nurture".

Psychopath definition is mostly "nature".

We don't know whether Isabella is a psychopath or sociopath, so we don't know if its nature or nurture.

As in most instances, it's usually a ratio of nature and nurture.

The question isn't if its nature or nurture, its what the ratio of nature to nurture it is.

I would suspect 75% nature, 25% nurture for now. But that's just a fun guess.

This isn't entirely true and I'm not sure what definitions you're using to base this off of.

Personality disorders are hotly debated by psychs. They don't know if they're nature or nurture, or what % they would be of that because they aren't sure what causes them in the first place. The people who have them aren't really trustworthy in terms of their narratives, and there is seldom pure consistency in the backgrounds of people who have them. Example is like narcissists can be overly neglected or overly praised, but logic would dictate those two extremes should cause two different results in the child and it doesn't seem to. This is part of the confusion for doctors.

I will further point out that Psychopath and Sociopath are both aspects of Antisocial personality disorder and are no longer considered separate diagnosis and are both thought to be the same thing now.

 

[Crusader King 1]

This isn't entirely true and I'm not sure what definitions you're using to base this off of.

Personality disorders are hotly debated by psychs. They don't know if they're nature or nurture, or what % they would be of that because they aren't sure what causes them in the first place. The people who have them aren't really trustworthy in terms of their narratives, and there is seldom pure consistency in the backgrounds of people who have them. Example is like narcissists can be overly neglected or overly praised, but logic would dictate those two extremes should cause two different results in the child and it doesn't seem to. This is part of the confusion for doctors.

I will further point out that Psychopath and Sociopath are both aspects of Antisocial personality disorder and are no longer considered separate diagnosis and are both thought to be the same thing now.

Both psychopathy and sociopathy have similar diagnoses associated with them, such as antisocial personality disorder, but are still considered different. Literature is still in debate on the exact definition of each one.

https://www.mha-em.org/im-looking-for/mental-health-knowledge-base/conditions/127-psychopathy-vs-sociopathy

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

The DSM-5 is the updated version, and the link provided states what I mentioned.

https://www.mha-em.org/im-looking-for/mental-health-knowledge-base/conditions/127-psychopathy-vs-sociopathy

"The common features of a psychopath and sociopath lie in their shared diagnosis: antisocial personality disorder." The DSM-5 doesn't say psychopath or sociopath, it says antisocial personality disorder. Those terms aren't in there.

They aren't treated as different anymore because it got too hard to tell them apart. They now are just covered by the single diagnosis. Any difference is just mental masturbation from a clinical perspective.

 

[Hot HOT HOTTT]

Psychopathy and Sociopath have different definitions, but are both denoted as Antisocial personality disorder for simplicity. This doesn't mean they don't exist.

Colloquially maybe, or perhaps in countries outside the USA - but as far as I recall, the DSM-V has no distinct listing for either and they are grouped under ASPD.

 

[Hurgle Blurk]

Want to add here that bad people are unreliable narrators for how they became such. A lot of really bad people, serial killers and shit, will claim all kinds of abuse but once investigated there is never any evidence of it.

Could it have happened on the DL? Sure. But when someone does that kind of thing is them being a liar really something you wouldn't expect?

I have no doubt whatsoever that this girl was subjected to severe, long-term abuse as a child. Contrary to popular belief, people like this do not just happen. They are made, and the steps required to make them are ones that are very well understood in some fields, even if it is considered impolitic to acknowledge them.

It does not change my opinion of her in the least. Once someone is that way, there is no "fixing" them. There is no medication they will respond to positively, and there is no course of treatment of any other kind that will result in any beneficial change.

Colloquially maybe, or perhaps in countries outside the USA - but as far as I recall, the DSM-V has no distinct listing for either and they are grouped under ASPD.

It depends.

The DSM regards them as synonymous. (The DSM has many problems. A number of very good books that have been written which chronical how the latest revision was put together, and how much of a politicized mess the entire process was, and how the end result is a revision that excludes things that by all rights should be included and includes things that, bluntly stated, do not exist in any way as other than examples of psychiatric malpractice of the most obscene variety.)

Those words are not, however, generally speaking, synonymous in legal medicine, forensic medicine, or in behavioral health units. There are many differences between someone who has ASPD and someone who is a psychopath. Differences in pathology, in behavior, in recommended treatment, in expected recidivism rates, likelihood of sexual offense, etc. The easiest way to sum them up, and this is reducing a very complicated thing to a soundbite - the easiest way, is that someone with ASPD can be predatory, but a psychopath is a predator. (The difference is not, however, 'nature v nurture.')

Because the consequences of being officially labelled, by any authority, a psychopath, are so potentially ruinous, you are never meant to apply PCL-R to anyone outside of a formal, diagnostic setting where you have the person in question to interview at length and have been given full access to what amounts to their entire recorded life. And, after having studied both extensively for a period of days, it is still considered good practice to then have someone else go through the exact, same steps to see if they arrive at the same or similar conclusion as regards their score and end diagnosis, and, only after that, if you both agree, is it considered ethical to write it down in someone's jacket.

But this is Kiwi Farms, so I am willing to say, on an anonymous Internet message board that, given everything I have read from Bella herself and from Bella's friends, I believe Bella to be a psychopath as defined by Wong, Hare, et al.

(Also: aside from the PCL-R, you have the LSRP (which is good if you need to distinguish if someone is a primary or secondary psychopath, ie, if they are A Psychopath or if the confluence of their other diagnoses has left them with psychopathic traits), and the PPI-Revised (which is a self-inventory, sort of like the MMPI), and a few other diagnostic tools, but PCL-R is the most widely used and the one best known outside the world where they are used.)

 

[Thomas Highway]

The DSM is only truly useful for filing insurance claims.

Need the diagnosis the carrier will cover.

From now on, every person EVEN MENTIONING THE DSM shall be boiled alive like Allah has willed it in his sacred text, for heresy and not following the Quran when someone is having a rough patch emotionally. Inshallah.

Is fine, United Behavioral Health rejected the claim as they always do.

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]