Suicide threats - When did people start caving to strangers making them?

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As a kid, 80s-90s, I recall that public threats of suicide were generally dismissed as either empty, attention seeking or just called on.

Back then, trannies wouldn’t have got particularly far by threatening suicide if they didn’t get their way.

When did it switch so that all a troon has to do is mention they would have killed themselves if they don’t have X, the general population seem to cave to their demands?
 
PipTheAlchemist powiedział(a):
Troons weren't worshipped back in the 80's and 90's like they are today.
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True, but I mean that anyone trying to cry bully with suicide threats would be dismissed, not just Troons.

For all today’s mewling about Kurt Cobain, a lot of people thought he was a fucking spineless idiot at the time.

Why is it that troon suicide is somehow more the fault of everyone else than people with depression or a lot of teenage girls?
 
The correct response to anyone threatening suicide is: Lay down a few tarps first. If you're taking yourself out because you think nobody cares about you, well, nobody cares to have to clean up after you, either.
 
In the late 2000s/early 2010s, there was a slow effort to get the public more aware of depression and depression-adjacent behaviors - one of which was suicide. Thus, you have the public more sympathetic to these types of behaviors - which isn't an inherently bad thing; people nowadays are more likely to find out that one of their friends or family legitimately has depression or had actually attempted to kill themselves, and so will sympathize (being that it hits close to home).

Add this to the recent cultural phenomenon of mollycoddling trannies and the emphasis on "diversity and inclusion", and you get this. The catering to trannies really started to take off in the mid 2010s, when you had the really loud and aggressive trannies (usually MtFs) start bullying their way into the public space and demand access to spaces not previously accessible to them. Wokeism isn't quite the word I want to use here, as it is more of a wide-ranging umbrella term, but a good portion of wokeism's main tenants were embedded into societal and cultural aspects of today. This is also why the trannies were able to successfully plague the rest of the populace and brow beat others into their demands (see: Elliot/Liz Fong-Dong's attempts at taking down the Farms).

It's evolved to the point where threatening suicide is considered abusive behavior in that the person threatening suicide is trying to coerce a person/people to their wants.
 
Not A Bunny powiedział(a):
The correct response to anyone threatening suicide is: Lay down a few tarps first. If you're taking yourself out because you think nobody cares about you, well, nobody cares to have to clean up after you, either.
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Like a sketch on an insane clown posse album.

A fellow rings the suicide hotline and says no one cares, the clown answering the phone retorts that the poor guy who has to clean that shit up does.

“If you’re gonna do it, do it outside!”
 
Serious answer: The anti-bulling and "mental health awareness" campaigns of the late 00's/early 10's. That's when things really went from considering suicide to be an irrational choice made by the victim ("a permanent solution to a temporary problem"), to pretty much romanticizing it by absolving the victim of all responsibility and placing the blame on outside sources. Even the language used to talk about suicide, at least in the media, has changed with the active "committed" being replaced by the passive "died by". Suicide is now something that happens to people, not something they do.

With this shift in view has come a huge emphasis on trying to mitigate it by any means necessary. And as the blame is no longer on the victim for killing themselves, it has now shifted to others for not helping them enough. Or worse, for forcing them into it through mistreatment. "Anti-bulling" and "mental health awareness" became the idea that we're all responsible for everyone else's mental and emotional state.

Ironically, suicide baiting is something that's considered manipulative and downright abusive behavior when it happens in an individual relationship, but the dynamics that enable it to work are exactly the same as the ones that have now permeated society at large.
 
Sad stuff.
Know a family who lost their very promising, normal, successful daughter to swift depression and even with medicial institution, couldn't save her from taking her life. Very devastating stuff.
A lot of fools take life for granted.
 
There's been a lot of "myth debunking" regarding people who threaten suicide or publicly talk about being suicidal. It seems to be a consensus now that this is in fact a warning sign a person might actually do it, not the opposite.

I don't believe that. The inherent attention seeking behavior involved in publicly announcing suicidal thoughts indicates a sense of self-importance that at least partially protects people from wanting to erase themselves from the world.
 
the mindset that assigns positive value to victimhood status is feminine in nature
womens power over social norms and behavior has only grown and expanded over these decades
the more power they have, the more they shape society to their whims
the result is, among other things, endless coddling and capitulation to whiny and self-pitying behavior, including suicide threats

tl;dr: blame feminism
 
I think it's better to err on the side of caution, it's always a sign of a serious mental disorder no matter how real they are.

Suicidal threats can easily turn into a murder-suicide or mass shooting if the person is actually committed to carrying it out.
 
Suicide threats are as old as suicide itself. It's just an easy threat to make against someone who loves you to manipulate them. The big change was when suicide became the fault of someone rather than the perpetrator, as well as deified as the ultimate victimhood (see 13 Reasons Why as a prime example) leveraging it as a weapon against others.

I wouldn't be surprised if this worldview only increased suicides rather than prevented any, as well as kickstarting an entire industry in mental health and opioids. There is a reason that suicide is a sin in the bible.
 
It's really weird how people use the threat of suicide to manipulate. It's toothless. I've seen a few suicides and none of them have graves. They will not be remembered.
 
I had a friend who blew his brains out and he had been threatening to do it for years. Every time it was over a girl leaving him, and I guess we all got used to hearing it. The one time he ended up getting committed over it. But the one time he doesn’t tell anyone, doesn’t even idly talk about it, he sent himself upstairs.

On one hand I feel like he was calling for some sort of help for years, and on the other maybe I really was just all hot air until that last time.
 
I have a friend who literally made a suicide bait post the other night and turned his phone off. This is in a city over 100 miles away from me, we were all networking to figure out what However and where he was until his mom called him out and said he's attention whoring. It's not funny considering we had a mutual friend off himself at the beginning of this month.
 
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