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you'd have to actually do something of quality or unique
have some relatively normal crook put up the fight of a lifetime against spider-man and fail
have it happen again while it's a holiday and, defeated, confess he pities peter for not having much of a life either
pete would be confused before it devolved into a somewhat friendly conversation about how they both fought and wasted their time over nothing
ending page will be half the spirited crook facepalming in prison and the other half pete facepalming alone in his place because the writers, via their idea of spider-man, have already taken everything that made his life better from him
I was throwing shit at a wall, but that does sound like a good metacommentary on modern Spidey. It's not great power and responsibility anymore. Peter just does things and gets cucked or crippled or completely taken over by someone else or forced to play with the mongrel negroid so people think he's important.
I always thought it was some bizarre projection from writers wanting to breakup couples like MJ and Peter, or Jean and Scott, or wanting Sue to fuck around/flirt with other guys. You know what's my personal favorite era of Spider-Man? The Michelline run in the late 80s with McFarlane and Erik Larsen, partly because Peter's in a part of his life where him and MJ are a young married couple and that's not something you saw in comics. At least Barda and Mister Miracle are still together, I think? If they ever break them up, then truly the west has fallen(TM).
Many of them have outright admitted it was them not wanting couples together. Quesada broke up every marriage without children, typically by killing the women off, because he was upset that his wife left him, but refused to go after the mothers because his own died and he was still upset by that.
The main thing with Spider-Man is that every writer has admitted they don't want him to be an adult because then when he screws up, he looks like an idiot. But if that's the case, then don't write him as a screw up.
With Spider-Man, and Batman to an extent, every writer wants to be the one to add something permanent to the mythos--and what better way than a new iconic love interest? Never mind the next person in line will be doing the same thing. With an extra side of character assassination for your waifu to get her out of the way to make room for his.
The other problem is you have people who saw how iconic Frank Miller's Daredevil and Batman became, Garth Ennis' Punisher, Claremont's X-Men, and all the others, and decided that they wanted to do the definitive run too. Except that those writers weren't trying to make a definitive run, they were trying to make good books and they became definitive because the stories were so popular that they still sell well decades later, but the new writers inspired by them don't get that. And rather than do their jobs, the editors just let them do it no matter how badly it raped the characters.
The main thing with Spider-Man is that every writer has admitted they don't want him to be an adult because then when he screws up, he looks like an idiot. But if that's the case, then don't write him as a screw up.
The other problem is you have people who saw how iconic Frank Miller's Daredevil and Batman became, Garth Ennis' Punisher, Claremont's X-Men, and all the others, and decided that they wanted to do the definitive run too. Except that those writers weren't trying to make a definitive run, they were trying to make good books and they became definitive because the stories were so popular that they still sell well decades later, but the new writers inspired by them don't get that. And rather than do their jobs, the editors just let them do it no matter how badly it raped the characters.
Quesada broke up every marriage without children, typically by killing the women off, because he was upset that his wife left him, but refused to go after the mothers because his own
Many of them have outright admitted it was them not wanting couples together. Quesada broke up every marriage without children, typically by killing the women off,
Ironic because this was around the same time Gail Simone made a stink about "women in fridges" an argument that's always been retarded to me because you can chalk it up to lazy writing more than you can misogyny or whatever.
The main thing with Spider-Man is that every writer has admitted they don't want him to be an adult because then when he screws up, he looks like an idiot. But if that's the case, then don't write him as a screw up.
Also retarded, Peter screws up all the time because he's a character that's human. That makes him interesting and it can still be done when he's a married adult. I don't see why these would have to be mutually exclusive? But I guess I'm not a deep enough thinker to be a Marvel writer.
Ironic because this was around the same time Gail Simone made a stick about "women in fridges" an argument that's always been retarded to me because you can chalk it up to lazy writing more than you can misogyny or whatever.
I wonder what your guys' take on Tom King handling Bats and having Catwoman ditch Wayne right before the wedding. Don't know the precise details, but I believe it was extremely dumb. Not sure if he was being evil, or if he's simply incompetent. Having checked several of TK's works, it's hard to tell sometimes.
I wonder what your guys' take on Tom King handling Bats and having Catwoman ditch Wayne right before the wedding. Don't know the precise details, but I believe it was extremely dumb. Not sure if he was being evil, or if he's simply incompetent. Having checked several of TK's works, it's hard to tell sometimes.
I'm 50/50 on King.
I don't mind Selena ditching him because I never liked the relationship.
Either make something with Dr. Zeller or bring back Vicky Vale.
I'm 50/50 on King.
I don't mind Selena ditching him because I never liked the relationship.
Either make something with Dr. Zeller or bring back Vicky Vale.
Like I'm fine if Bruce has a kid with Selena because Helena Wayne is one of those characters who basically canon in the future time line. I also want a future story where Helena is in charge of the Falcone Family.
I don't think the relationship is as important as Lois and Clark is.
I'm still amazed that King wrote the least edgy Joker in like a decade in his run. That's the one thing I'll give him credit for
King is so frustrating. He's legit written some of my favorite comics in recentish memory (that one issue where Hal becomes Lightray and talks to his child self, Batman/Elmer Fudd) but then he's made an absolute ton of indefensible shit as well.
King is so frustrating. He's legit written some of my favorite comics in recentish memory (that one issue where Hal becomes Lightray and talks to his child self, Batman/Elmer Fudd) but then he's made an absolute ton of indefensible shit as well.
Tom King hadn’t fucked with stuff I like before that godawful Captain Atom/Jenny Sparks mini. Where he managed to create bizzare revenge porn for Armageddon and ruin both characters (and Supes because he implied Superman fucked Jenny) it’s an all out disaster that glows very strongly.
He fucked with the Captain, he fucked with the Authority and he fucked with Superman. That’s three, I hope he dies.
Also he’s literally a former CIA agent so he’s pure evil and everything he does is likley an op.
Ive come to the conclusion that Fury My War Gone By is the second best comic Ive ever read, after DKR. Its so good, so so good, perfect even. The last line "Duty we owe to the past and a responsibility we owe to the future, Blood on the Bandaged Wounds of Brave men and All the stars in the Sky" is oscar material in context. It goes along so well with the best Punisher lines from MAX and "In your most private moments, I want you to remember the one man who beat you" from DKR.
Something that keeps me motivated to still enjoy comics even though it feels like the industry as a whole has been in a death spiral for the past 10-15 years (and really since Marvel went bankrupt in the late 90s if we're being honest...), is because these characters have been around for so goddamn long you can find stuff you've never read before that's good and also new to you. An example I've been reading today is the Batman: Strange Apparitions run in Detective Comics 469-479. It's a bit ironic because the Bronze Age is my wheelhouse when it comes to comics, but I missed this for some reason and I'm glad to have finally read it. From what I can gather, this is from the time when everyone was pissed at Marvel being a rudderless ship and the EIC position being a millstone that nobody wanted, since this was pre-Shooter. Which is why I imagine people like Steve Englehart and Len Wein ended up on writing as they shuffled over to DC for a cup of coffee.
Speaking of Englehart, the team behind the first two issues (469-470) are an all-star team. The aforementioned Englehart writing, Walt fucking Simonson drawing, and Al Milgrom inking and coloring. The pencilwork and colors really are a highlight here, there's so much trippy '70s goodness in these pages. You can really tell this is the era of comics where everyone would show up to the office baked and would do shittons of LSD:
I'm normally a big Englehart fan, I love the work he did on Silver Surfer, but the writing to me is the weakest part of this arc when he's at the helm. It's a lot expository dialogue that Batman is saying out loud to nobody but himself and to us the readers, which doesn't really make sense in-universe. It also has a tendency of feeling stilted, and dated, like these aren't actually conversations real people would ever have (That might be the LSD tbh). And I don't mean date as in 'this is an old comic book from the '70s what do you expect?' I feel like even readers back then would think this was some 40s/50s-tier dialogue. You get used to it, but I feel like even if I was reading this contemporaneously at the time, I would come away thinking the writing's a bit dodgy.
The good is that it reintroduces Golden Age villains like Hugo Strange, The Penguin, Deadshot makes an appearance in the middle issues. The Doctor Prosperous stuff at the beginning is trippy and he covers any panel/page he's on in a yellow and green CIA-esque glow. And it's fun seeing Batman actually do detective work on a more street-level and not be Batgod which I feel like is the only way he's written nowadays. Silver St. Cloud serves as the love interest which is a nice change of pace, I always felt like she was underrated in the grand pantheon of the Bat-harem.
Overall, I give Strange Apparitions a "If I was a Deadhead stoner comics fan in the '70s I would want that Nightmare splash page as a blacklight poster"/10.
I'm not really a comic book guy but i was thinking about how xmen is supposed to be an allegory for civil rights, which kind of makes it a bit of a heavier text than something like spider man.
The story is already framed about keeping different groups in peaceful co-existence, so it's about a conflict between xavier and magneto and their underlying beliefs about mutant superiority. magneto believes they have the power to subjugate the masses and xavier believes they have a responsibility to protect the masses. Were any xmen comics explicitly trying to go for an examination of ethnic nationalism?
I'm not really a comic book guy but i was thinking about how xmen is supposed to be an allegory for civil rights, which kind of makes it a bit of a heavier text than something like spider man.
The story is already framed about keeping different groups in peaceful co-existence, so it's about a conflict between xavier and magneto and their underlying beliefs about mutant superiority. magneto believes they have the power to subjugate the masses and xavier believes they have a responsibility to protect the masses. Were any xmen comics explicitly trying to go for an examination of ethnic nationalism?
Lol no, no. They did ALL become ethnic nationalists, racists and hedonists but it was without a shred of self-awareness on anyone’s part, in-universe and out.
They tried to groom Franklin Richards and denied sanctuary to any “humans” who are just as, if not more persecuted than the mutant scum.
They deserve every bad thing that comes their way.
Lol no, no. They did ALL become ethnic nationalists, racists and hedonists but it was without a shred of self-awareness on anyone’s part, in-universe and out.
They tried to groom Franklin Richards and denied sanctuary to any “humans” who are just as, if not more persecuted than the mutant scum.
They deserve every bad thing that comes their way.
