Should lolicon / shotacon be considered drawn child pornography?

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Why would i ban you from anything?, your opinion is as valuable as mine or any other participant. I don't think you are debating however, its more cherry picking the reply's and straw-manning the fuck out of them, to be honest i am a bit disappointed.

In the same what you're apt to interfere with others lives or is it different when you do it cause muh morals?

The poster's argument was that someone masturbating to a cartoon is in effect only a thoughtcrime. You decided to argue against this by comparing it to torturing puppies. His response, correctly, mind you, was to point out that torturing puppies is not a victimless crime. With this latest response, you've completely abandoned all reason and derailed the conversation even from your own original false equivocation. How is anyone supposed to think you're arguing in good faith at this point?

We weren't talking about anything particularly child related however. We were talking about cosplay, which isn't inherently childlike at all. The people who engage in this aren't roleplaying children, if they are indeed roleplaying; they are roleplaying an anime character, who isn't a child and doesn't exist. Under this methodology, anyone who ever had sex while cosplaying as Asuka from Neon Genesis Evangelion and playfully calling their lover a "Baka Shinji" was a pedophile, which is just stupid. Once again, if somebody does this in their own home, with another adult, who cares? As long as they don't involve children, expose children to it, or tell children about it, who gives a shit?

I give up, Happy New Year

 

[Agent of Misinformation]

Yes. Illustrations have references to convey their subjects and topics. The sexual subject has minors involved, which makes it a form of drawn CP. The Japanese should have heavily restricted what comes out of the Anime industry for a long time. Hell, they should have outright banned pornography in their sphere of the world. Those who say no to this question are either stupid or pedophiles themselves.

 

[Slap47]

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That's strange, Lolicons keep insisting that there’s no pedophiles among them. In this very thread they said so!

Keep up the gaslighting; it only works on contrarians, retards and Lolberts with zero principals whatsoever. We all know why you jack it to depictions of cartoon children being raped, you’re just in denial.

There seems to be far more cases of people crusading against this stuff getting outed as predators. If anything, stuff like this happening seems to be exceedingly rare unless the person also happens to be trans.

Regardless, there is predators in every group ever and what matters is if the group rallies around them as a hero or tries to protect them. Furries, the Catholic Church and Teachers Unions being the worst offenders of this problem.

 

[WelperHelper99]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_W2ggtLASe8
I give up, Happy New Year

Somehow we got to cosplay Evangelion sex. I think I started that pages back. I feel like a Vietnam Vet

 

[Kiwisee]

There seems to be far more cases of people crusading against this stuff getting outed as predators. If anything, stuff like this happening seems to be exceedingly rare unless the person also happens to be trans.

Regardless, there is predators in every group ever and what matters is if the group rallies around them as a hero or tries to protect them. Furries, the Catholic Church and Teachers Unions being the worst offenders of this problem.

Regardless, Lolicons insist it never happens; yet it happens despite all their protests. I'm sure if I dug deep enough, I'd uncover hundreds of Lolicon predators from just discord servers alone who are barely smart enough to avoid being caught.

I posted an example of one such fellow, who argued to lower the age of consent as low as 11… with a timeline plastered in Loli shit.

They'd be more honest if they just admitted they were pedophiles instead of trying to play mental gymnastics.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Regardless, Lolicons insist it never happens; yet it happens despite all their protests. I'm sure if I dug deep enough, I'd uncover hundreds of Lolicon predators from just discord servers alone who are barely smart enough to avoid being caught.

I posted an example of one such fellow, who argued to lower the age of consent as low as 11… with a timeline plastered in Loli shit.

They'd be more honest if they just admitted they were pedophiles instead of trying to play mental gymnastics.

Dude, trawing 4chan, you find dozens of those creeps in /a/. All they want is to fuck kids. They'll just tell you. They're too stupid to lie. The lolicon is just a shield, something to take the edge off until they cant stop themselves from molesting a child. Not top shelf whiskey, but it's booze.

 

[skykiii]

How many Yugioh video game fans have ZERO interest in real Yugioh cards?

This is me in a nutshell actually.

But yeah I haven't been in this topic because... I made my point and the last time you replied to me directly, I basically agreed with everything you said.

(Actually had this reply drafted long ago but didn't bother posting it, and KF's system just saved it all this time...)

Yes. Illustrations have references to convey their subjects and topics. The sexual subject has minors involved, which makes it a form of drawn CP. The Japanese should have heavily restricted what comes out of the Anime industry for a long time. Hell, they should have outright banned pornography in their sphere of the world. Those who say no to this question are either stupid or pedophiles themselves.

Posts like this are another reason I got bored of this topic.

People keep circling this endless drain of non-issues like whether its pedophilic or whether it turns people into pedophiles.... which none of that fucking matters.

What DOES matter, is that most of the western world has or has had, at one point or another, "obscenity" laws which wound up getting abused, and this hypothetical loli ban would be just another variant of those, and would open the door for abuse, and for that reason the answer should be "no."

Which, of course, is exactly why that angle is ignored.... because then the thread would be over because there's only one right answer.

And yet its not an answer that satisfies certain people's moral outrage and need to censor something they find offensive (and which they're likely actually into and that's why they bleat so loudly about it).

I find it funny how a lot of the basic tenets of ban-advocacy here, if reworded slightly, would sound exactly like SJW rhetoric.

"We must ban lolicon because it turns people into pedophiles!"

"We must ban PragerU because it turns people into Nazis!"

Literally just two words are different. It boggles my mind that people here can read both, find one statement laughable but nod in agreement with the other.

 

[Father Fornicatio]

Regardless, Lolicons insist it never happens; yet it happens despite all their protests. I'm sure if I dug deep enough, I'd uncover hundreds of Lolicon predators from just discord servers alone who are barely smart enough to avoid being caught.

I posted an example of one such fellow, who argued to lower the age of consent as low as 11… with a timeline plastered in Loli shit.

They'd be more honest if they just admitted they were pedophiles instead of trying to play mental gymnastics.

Wtf is a loli predator?, i get images in my head like a mini predator in a candy van.

So lets assume all loli lovers are pedophiles, what changes?. You want to go exterminates on all pedophiles?, okay lets do that, but where do we draw the line?. There is a USA movie where children are removed from their parents house because mommy took pictures of their kids playing in the bath naked. While a bit romanticized that movie is based on reality and there are a lot of situations where CPS and "good citizens" go insane, hell even the Green Mile could make a case here. Their is a precedence that laws while good in their intentions, are abused to dominate and control the people. Here in our nation the government is arguing for on device scanning so the state can see whatever you have on your smartphone. A person should be assumed innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. I know this isn't specifically what you mentioned in your post but that's where we are going if we want to go after every assumed child molester....or loli predator, to protect society against danger.
Child abuse is everywhere, in every layer of society, there is a proverb: Spare the rod, spoil the child, that many parents in the past abused to beat the shit out of their children. I think that people who actually rape, abuse torture children have much, much deeper issues than tapping to loli, and that the threshold to go from fiction to reality, from loli on paper to molesting your neighbor is so great that the risk is negligible. When a person actually proceeds to do that, he would do it regardless of lolicon involvement anyhow because he is deeply mentally disturbed.

I think however that public shaming need to come back, if one argues to lower the age of consent to 12, get the town together and ready the rotten fruit even if it was spoken in a ironic sense. See a virtuous MAP?, release the hounds. Shaming idiots should come back again, society is much to friendly for idiots. But touch a child, your life is forfeit and should belong to the state to use however they see fit, for you crossed the threshold and you will do again..people who do this have major issues and often show warning signs which are ignored by their surrounding people and 99 times of the 100 dont know of lolicon at all.

Sorry for sperging out again but there is so much tragedy in this world that Lolicon isnt even in the top 100 of my list to ban, imagine for example the orphans in Ukraine who's parents are killed in the 2022 war.....its a human trafficker/Epstein client list candyshop. People should stop banning drawings, bad words, and such, and focus on actual tragedy and suffering. CPS is a money driven organization filled to the brim with power hungry karens, immigration is a free for all for human trafficking and molesters, no accountability for politicians who's policies like gender shit actually hurt kids are far more important than a drawing where a little anime girl is ravaged by a space alien with a six foot dick.

Sorry Skitzels, i may have used you for my last post here, with this one plus the previous one i have said more than enough and i will go on, shitposting around(insert Enya song). Loli art seems such a non issue in the grand scale of things to me, like people who faint when they see an in-game panty shot, that it makes me angry.....there are so much more important things to worry about.Like my energy bill...............

 

[Kiwisee]

@Father Fornicatio Ironic that you chose to cite Turkey Tom, when he has made a whole ass video talking about pedophiles in the anime community (which yes, includes Lolicon). Just rewatch his video on Anime Creeps, and you'll see the irony.

It's as the site operator says: If someone says they're attracted to children, real or fictional, believe them.

Plus, you cite the whole “there's worse problems in the worst” is dumb; because you're operating on the assumption that someone can't care about world problem and also be disgusted at pedophiles who get off to fictional depictions of child sex abuse.

Maybe that's a you problem? For someone who wants to minimize its impact by saying “there's more important things in life”, you sure let your fetishes define you to the point of getting defensive when rightfully being called a degenerate.

You can keep gaslighting yourself into believing that you're not a pedophile for jacking off to drawn images of children getting molested, just don't expect normal people to go along with it.

You can keep acting willfully obtuse by trying to separate the terms pedophiles and lolicons, but just know it doesn't work. I have posted examples in this very thread of Lolicons acting like predators in public with zero consequences from people like you, which tells me everything I need to know.

 

[WelperHelper99]

@Father Fornicatio Ironic that you chose to cite Turkey Tom, when he has made a whole ass video talking about pedophiles in the anime community (which yes, includes Lolicon). Just rewatch his video on Anime Creeps, and you'll see the irony.

It's as the site operator says: If someone says they're attracted to children, real or fictional, believe them.

Thing is the more I'm on this site, the more Josh's line proves itself true. It's never a fast decent into moral oblivion, but it usually starts with something mild, like a drawing or some shit. On its face it IS a piece of paper. But it's contents are the devil's contract. Once you sign, it's almost impossible to break free.

Then they slide further down the hole once the lolicon isn't enough. Then it's real CSAM of children. And then full pedophilia. Every. Single. Time. Too many molested children in the world to prove me otherwise.

Plus, you cite the whole “there's worse problems in the worst” is dumb; because you're operating on the assumption that someone can't care about world problem and also be disgusted at pedophiles who get off to fictional depictions of child sex abuse.

Maybe that's a you problem? For someone who wants to minimize its impact by saying “there's more important things in life”, you sure let your fetishes define you to the point of getting defensive when rightfully being called a degenerate.

You can keep gaslighting yourself into believing that you're not a pedophile for jacking off to drawn images of children getting molested, just don't expect normal people to go along with it.

You can keep acting willfully obtuse by trying to separate the terms pedophiles and lolicons, but just know it doesn't work. I have posted examples in this very thread of Lolicons acting like predators in public with zero consequences from people like you, which tells me everything I need to know.

I find when people become defensive to the point of word salad, it's projection. Lolicon is reprehensible. Nothing good is added to the world from it. All justifications end up coming back to self pleasure and self gratification at their core.

I ask, what good has lolicon ever done? I can name good things ANIME has done. I can't name a single good thing lolicon has done.

 

[Tad Loaf]

Lolicons keep insisting that there’s no pedophiles among them. In this very thread they said so!

Please point them out so we can laugh at them, because anyone with a functioning brain would know they exist to some degree on both sides.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Please point them out so we can laugh at them, because anyone with a functioning brain would know they exist to some degree on both sides.

You're implying they don't exist

 

[Tad Loaf]

You're implying they don't exist

I have autism, I never imply anything, ever.

 

[Kiwisee]

Please point them out so we can laugh at them, because anyone with a functioning brain would know they exist to some degree on both sides.

You.

I understand that autism leads to you Lolicons having zero self awareness. For that, you have my condolences.

 

[Tad Loaf]

You.

Lets see it (This is me implying you have nothing to show)

 

[skykiii]

Hark the Loli angels sing
Glory to the Shota King
Piece of ass is nice and mild
Girls and bare breasts reconciled....

 

[Tablet County]

Hark the Loli angels sing
Glory to the Shota King
Piece of ass is nice and mild
Girls and bare breasts reconciled....

Why do you feel the need to type this?

 

[Gondolindrim]

I think not. If we started putting people in jail or on lists for drawings, it'll start a slippery slope that throws the world into chaos in an attempt to censor all forms of media. It would start at stopping pedophiles, like most things do, but before long it escalates to someone or something that "looks" like a child or is percieved as too cute, even showing a child would get to be taboo because some freak somewhere would theoretically want to sexualize them. It would just keep escalating.

 

[Lightsaber Dildo]

It does, I refuse to accept that I have to live in Sodom & Gomorrah.

You were born in the wrong time, then. Unfortunate for you, and your great-great grandkids.

And even if that wasn't true, which it is, I still shouldn't have to live in social squalor because you think that's some principled ideal to strive towards, fuck that.

I shouldn't have to live under an oppressive authoritarian regime just because you don't like icky drawings. That's the level of hyperbole you're arguing right now.

You're just making a good argument to ban smoking too, not one to dissolve social order.

There are plenty of current societal issues you can point to that dissolve social order, loli/shota art is probably close to, if not, on the bottom of the list.

So you think the values they promote will lead to a flourishing society? You want that influencing people?

I don't really want any religious organization influencing society, really. The church we know has not exactly been a shining paragon of virtue, nor has Islam. Satanism has actually caused less harm to society than either of them, but you don't see me petitioning to ban the Catholic church just because some priests fucked little kids.

Then you're taking up a vegan stance whether you like it or not, me eating a burger or even just drinking milk "impedes on SOMEONE'S life".

You couldn't refute the point, your analogy was shit. You're abandoning all reason by this.

We can, have, do, and should continue to legislate morality. Libertarian bullshit is nonsense.

Never implied we shouldn't. We also shouldn't legislate things without good reason, and "morality" in itself is not a good enough reason, sorry. Morality might not be subjective, but it isn't objective, either. It's a case-by-case thing.

It's just as gay, though.

Great, then if we follow the line of logic backward, we can see that you are missing a piece of your brain that properly separates fiction and reality. Glad you let that nonsensical belief out in the open, it really bolsters your position.

Said this numerous times, loli/shota is pedophilic. But it's not harming children. And it can't, it doesn't, and you can't blame the art for when a lolicon molests a child. Do you blame the gun when a school gets shot up? You know, like a libtard?

Absolutely, in fact if you're watching ANY gay porn then you're already a faggot.

You're SO close to figuring out where gay people come from, dude. Like a pube's length away.

Regardless, I'm just replying to you so you can make an even bigger clown out of yourself at this point. The only thing we've accomplished here is you think an art form is immoral, so it should be banned.

I'll continue to campaign against censorship as long as I live. And I hate pedophiles, truly. I've never been convinced that banning art has ever produced the desired result of discouraging pedophilia (or any other immoral indulgences) in any society. There's never been proof that indulging in loli/shota has led to someone molesting kids. Why? Because it doesn't. Those people were already pedophiles before they looked at loli/shota, and if it wasn't loli/shota, it would've been googling "child swimsuits". Therefore, there's no point in shooting freedom of expression in the kneecaps for the sake of fictional children, and I rest my case.

 

[skykiii]

Why do you feel the need to type this?

I honestly have no idea.