Should America expand - Gloria Imperium Americana

[mindlessobserver]

This is not really a discussion for if America can expand its borders. It's more a question of if America SHOULD Expand its borders. As the world becomes increasingly authoritarian, China becomes more revanchist and threatens expansion into the Pacific and Indian oceans, and the EU threatens to become some nightmarish combination of nannystate and oligarchic kleptocracy, should the United States consider a policy of direct intervention and expansion that has not been done since the late 19th and Early 20th centuries. Most obvious targets being central America, the Pacific Islands, Canada and the UK. The objective could be anything from taking the kid gloves off and applying hard diplomatic, economic and military pressure to harden the American sphere, to outright annexation.

Is this something that should be done? Is it moral? More importantly is it necessary to preserve liberal governance in the face of a tidal of wave of authoritarian ideologies and naked expansionist ambitions by revisionist powers?

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Work with the legitimate Mexican government to invade and decapitate the cartels as quick as possible. Formulate trade deals with Mexico that lead to its growth into a nation people don't want to abandon, thereby minimizing the immigration crisis on our border.

That's half the battle right there. Regional supranational organizations might be the way of the future for any nation that wants to compete, the US and Mexico actually forming a healthy relationship that results in Mexico's self-sustained prosperity will do a lot to nullify the world's usual cries of heavy-handed american imperialism.

 

[millais]

We should annex Taiwan/Formosa. Commodore Perry recommended annexation of the island as a forward base of operations in the Western Pacific to President Fillmore during his Japanese expedition, the Qing Chinese tried to sell it to us to forestall Japanese conquest at the end of the 19th century, and polling from the last decade suggests the Taiwanese would prefer US rule over Communist Chinese rule by a clear majority.

We should not annex Airstrip One, aka United Cuckdom.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

polling from the last decade suggests the Taiwanese would prefer US rule over Communist Chinese rule by a clear majority.

I'm really curious where that's going to go. We have clear defense treaties with Taiwan but honestly who doesn't expect the US to cuck out if China decides to flex?

 

[Al Gulud]

Ah yes good old America has always invaded countries to OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL bring freedom and prosperity to other nations. If they do so again it will definitely be because of only those reasons.

 

[Snuckening]

America needs Lebensraum because China is somehow "threatening expansion into the Pacific/Indian Ocean" (despite it's borders not changing in 50 years- and zero Chinese Pacific/Indian Ocean colonies)? Sure, that totes makes sense.

 

[Benine Bovine]

No.

 

[Y2K Baby]

the legitimate Mexican government

Already, a problem with your plan.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

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Already, a problem with your plan.

Mexico isn't that terrible compared to the world stage, and things have to improve at some point. Fucking Iraq is in better shape now (yeah yeah ) than it was 20 years ago, and look at the fuckjob that led to that situation. A coordinated and sensible plan could give Mexico some hope for a brighter future.

 

[Hat]

Balkanize the USA and let the South rise again.

 

[oldTireWater]

Absolutely not. History has shown that, more often than not, we're not exactly playing 3D chess with our foreign involvements.

If you think you know what's best for someone else, be it international or interpersonal, that's a clue that you're about to piss someone off and create a problem.

If you're talking Lebensraum, then all legality and morality must go out the window, and genocide must be embraced. Step into WW3 with open eyes or not at all.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Ah yes good old America has always invaded countries to OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL bring freedom and prosperity to other nations. If they do so again it will definitely be because of only those reasons.

Then I would expect an invasion of Alberta will begin soon. Given how inept the village idiot in Ottawa is, I wonder if Albertans would see Americans as liberators.

 

[RG 448]

We haven’t expanded enough until we’re living on planet america.

 

[Y2K Baby]

We haven’t expanded enough until we’re living on planet america.

We already are.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Then I would expect an invasion of Alberta will begin soon. Given how inept the village idiot in Ottawa is, I wonder if Albertans would see Americans as liberators.

Haven't the Maritimes threatened to seek admission to the US if Quebec declares full independence? I swear I read something about that once, though god knows what the hell you do with Labrador or Newfoundland. And not in a dog way.

Edit:
QUEBEC CRISIS CREATES TALK ABOUT 4 CANADIAN PROVINCES JOINING

Meh, ancient history at this point, but I wasn't completely off-base, either.

 

[Black Waltz]

only if I'm in charge

 

[AF 802]

FUCK OFF, WE'RE FULL

 

[Guts Gets Some]

Honestly... America would be better off if we just gave the keys to Canada instead.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Honestly... America would be better off if we just gave the keys to Canada instead.

Lol, kill yourself.

 

[wylfım]

Unite the Americas under one, glorious empire.
From there. World Domination™