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Implying that religion invented incentives. However, Christianity codified, stabilized, and moralized patterns and customs that already solved coordination problems in large property-owning inheritance-driven societies. So it's not Christianity investing things, it's formalizing them.You can't ignore the role of Abrahamic religions.
Romans had rigid status hierarchies, legalized prostitution, unequal norms by class and gender, widespread sexual exploitation, and extremely low expectations of pair bond stability among elites. What you call "sexually liberal" was rather permissive for some and coercive for others, not an absence of sexual order. Bathhouses and statues show comfort with the human form in specific context, not a general lack of sexual boundaries.Also, Ancient Rome is an example of a sexually liberal society where sex would've had similar consequences, if not more due to a lack of contraception.
Nudity is less related to those consequences yet it's viewed as shameful. Romans, without the restrictions of Abrahamic religions, viewed naked bodies as more or less normal. This can be seen in their public bathhouses, or their naked statues.
I don't agree with the notion that nudity norms correspond to sex norms. I think nudity is more related to privacy, status signaling, vulnerability, and situational appropriateness. Consider the sauna in Nordic countries. There you have nudity without sexual availability because there are strict situational norms. So nudity can be normalized in bounded contexts while sexual access and pair bonding are still sharply regulated.Compared to pre-Abrahamic cultures, modern cultures have a greater aversion to sex and sexualisation of the naked body.
No, that's backwards. Abstraction and scale are what generates novelty. Regardless of any moralized framing, when you remove sexual cues from reciprocal interaction and convert it into endlessly variable and consequence-free stimuli, novelty explodes.This novelty and higher stimulus concentration is caused by our more hesitant attitude towards sex, and how nudity is seen as indecent.
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Pair-bonding effects of sex are a meme. People have varying abilities to separate sex and romance/love. If you're only comfortable having sex with someone you love you won't be interested in hookups in the first place. Redpill and incel communities where "pair-bonding" is a huge thing aren't known for being very sexually experienced, it's a form of projection really.I don't think contraception and antibiotics can eliminate or mitigate pair-bonding effects, jealousy, mate competition, or the compounding impact of short-term incentives on long-term relationship stability. At best, they're easier to ignore individually, but they remain visible in aggregate outcomes.
Onlyfans etc being profitable is also a meme (that a lot of women sadly fall for). The top 1% or whatever make 99.9% of the money. For the average person actual prostitution or even a shitty minimum wage job pays off a lot better financially.Now we go the modern day, where as a conventional prostitute had a limit in the day to how many men she could service, an online one can have millions of fans, and thus rake in much more money. So now you can get rich selling your dignity, it's not just a means for desperate women to stay alive. Which makes this more attractive as a career.
Yeah, and alcohol affects people differently, but neither alcohol tolerance nor addiction are a meme.People have varying abilities to separate sex and romance/love.
I would say for most people these differences around relationship formation, attachment etc are already there and they are what determines if someone is likely to engage in hookups or not. If we compare minorities (ie. virgins vs very promiscuous people) then the amount of casual sex they've had does affect these things, but for normies (the majority) it makes little difference whether they've had a few relationships throughout their lives or a couple relationships + a handful of one night stands.Or would you say that, for most people, repeated casual sex has no measurable effect on later relationship formation, attachment, jealousy, and stability?
No, not really. They both share the low-impulse control aspect, agreed. But then, its rather hard to accidentally bond with someone / get STDs / start a pregnancy by jerking off.jacking off is less degenerate than hooking up with a stranger. This is despite both scenarios being the same thing at a high level
Does anyone know whether tribes people and or nudist groups have intense hook-up culture?Tribe members would look at ass and tits all day and wouldn't think much of it, it was normal for them.
Right, but that is all of Europe and Asia and I think the results speak for themselves.Generally, they didn't cover up unless their climate forced to.
Sure, but the ability to separate sex from romance is not something to be fond of in a long term partner.People have varying abilities to separate sex and romance/love.