Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Taser Confetti]

Assuming you're going to run a 10.5 at 200-300 yards then yeah you're going to want to run the heavier stuff but at that distance you're either in a SHTF cenario or you're straight murdering someone.

Yeah, people fetishize range like they’re about to ship off to Kandahar province. If you’re engaging people at even a 100 meters it better be true SHTF (Chinese paratroopers are landing kind of bad) otherwise your ass is going to prison.

Anything longer than 14.5 is for legal compliance or hunting. Just because the Marines had to clear houses with muskets in Fallujah doesn’t mean you should or have to.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Careful, you’re gonna make the guys with PSA’s and the cheapest surplus ammo angry.

We're too busy having fun figuring out how to attach a knockoff bayonet to it than worry about gun snobs on the internet.

 

[Taser Confetti]

We're too busy having fun figuring out how to attach a knockoff bayonet to it than worry about gun snobs on the internet.

Duct tape and a Glock knife like a true Chad.

 

[BikeLock]

For the record, I tried with two Tier 1 concealed holsters that were specifically made for the VP9. They weren't universal holsters. My go to holster for my P30L is my expensive safariland hoslter on my battle belt. I need a normal OWB for a carry belt but am waiting for another sale.

This guy's channel has pushed me over to Wright Armory's system over Langdon tactical: DeFendCo's YouTube channel.

My goal is to buy a USP Expert and get it cut to use as a match pistol and maybe buy a regular P30 to get cut too.

I like the Wright Amory system a little better as it still uses an actual USP rear sight.

I use a Veddar holsters IWB holster that fits my VP9 and my P30 and P2000 very well. Kydex with a leather backer.

 

[ellroy]

Yeah, people fetishize range like they’re about to ship off to Kandahar province. If you’re engaging people at even a 100 meters it better be true SHTF (Chinese paratroopers are landing kind of bad) otherwise your ass is going to prison.

Anything longer than 14.5 is for legal compliance or hunting. Just because the Marines had to clear houses with muskets in Fallujah doesn’t mean you should or have to.

One of my instructors at the my range is a SWAT officer for the local county police. He says he uses a 10.5 carbine, unsuppressed but there are guys on his team who will use 16 inch rifles close quarters. Yeah SBRs are king in CQB but you can make a longer rifle work if you know how to move and present fast enough.

That said, don't be like certain fat morons who visit this thread and think you need a 20" or 24" rifle because you read a wikipedia article on 5.56. That would be a lousy length for self defense in close quarters.

 

[Taser Confetti]

One of my instructors at the my range is a SWAT officer for the local county police. He says he uses a 10.5 carbine, unsuppressed but there are guys on his team who will use 16 inch rifles close quarters. Yeah SBRs are king in CQB but you can make a longer rifle work if you know how to move and present fast enough.

That said, don't be like certain fat morons who visit this thread and think you need a 20" or 24" rifle because you read a wikipedia article on 5.56. That would be a lousy length for self defense in close quarters.

Slicing the pie in a house is an absolute bitch with long guns. I’ll die on the hill that a high capacity pistol with a light is the ultimate home defense option. There’s a reason countless agencies all over the world send that guy in with a shield first.

 

[The Dude]

You will need to get the Wilson combat rear sight. don't even take the gun to the range before replacing the rear sight. S&W 686 or GP100 speed loaders will work.
I have the Wilson combat rear sight on both my Python and Anaconda. it provides a much nicer sight picture and is rock solid. it is a required expense.
I am at 925 rounds on my Python at it has been reliable with good primers. hard foreign primers sometimes will fail to detonate in double action. US primers have been 100% reliable.
I'm at 1439 rounds in my .45 Anaconda and it has been the same save for a better trigger than the python. it's marginally better. I chalk it up to the longer trigger providing more leverage.
The Python and Anaconda are my primary EDC guns now. both ride in elpaso sadderly leather holsters.
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Definitely considering the Wilson sights, along with the Kensight Eliason repros made for the new Pythons since you can get them with tritium globes to go along with the tritium front sight that comes with the Combat Elite. DL Sports are also making some seriously robust, bombproof sight sets, though they are fixed sights and not adjustable.

For speedloaders I'm going with SL Variant speedloaders. There is an outfit that is making high quality repros of them. They are very fast to use since they are completely spring-loaded, including the cartridges. There's a plunger that indexes against the rear of the ejection star that once pressed firmly releases the cartridges, which then "squirt" into place in their chambers under spring pressure. Quick, clean, no twisting or other complex movements. And they are competitively priced with other quality loaders like 5 Star at about $38 per loader. I'll probably end up buying three of them.

 

[ellroy]

Slicing the pie in a house is an absolute bitch with long guns. I’ll die on the hill that a high capacity pistol with a light is the ultimate home defense option. There’s a reason countless agencies all over the world send that guy in with a shield first.

I'm going to make an argument that yes, a compressed ready pistol with light is way easy to slice the pie with but an over the shoulder ready 11.5 carbine suppressed can work well too and because of how many points of contact and the sling you have on the carbine, it's a safer option on room entry, especially as a civilian when you may stick your muzzle out too far and then have to deal with someone making a reach for it. You don't have a sling on a pistol and only two points of contact if someone wants to wrestle it away from you. Having on a sling with multiple points will give you more more control.

Plus civilians don't have access to legit ballistic shields.

 

[The Dude]

Plus civilians don't have access to legit ballistic shields.

Um...wrong. You absolutely can buy them as a civilian, just like you can ballistic armor. There's no law against civilians owning ballistic shields. Hell, just watch some Kentucky Ballistics videos. He's used a few entry shields in his videos, testing them to see what they're capable of stopping, and what will easily defeat them. Scott with KB is just a civilian, though he is former law enforcement (Kentucky Trooper).

 

[Taser Confetti]

I'm going to make an argument that yes, a compressed ready pistol with light is way easy to slice the pie with but an over the shoulder ready 11.5 carbine suppressed can work well too and because of how many points of contact and the sling you have on the carbine, it's a safer option on room entry, especially as a civilian when you may stick your muzzle out too far and then have to deal with someone making a reach for it.

It’s exactly why I don’t keep my can on my 10.3” if I’m shooting someone in my house frankly the hearing loss is the least of my worries. Can only goes on for outside activities - it’s not like 5.56 is ever hearing safe anyways.

Plus civilians don't have access to legit ballistic shields

They absolutely can purchase them. You’re probably a goober if you own one though.

 

[ellroy]

Um...wrong. You absolutely can buy them as a civilian, just like you can ballistic armor. There's no law against civilians owning ballistic shields. Hell, just watch some Kentucky Ballistics videos. He's used a few entry shields in his videos, testing them to see what they're capable of stopping, and what will easily defeat them. Scott with KB is just a civilian, though he is former law enforcement (Kentucky Trooper).

I stand corrected.

It’s exactly why I don’t keep my can on my 10.3” if I’m shooting someone in my house frankly the hearing loss is the least of my worries. Can only goes on for outside activities - it’s not like 5.56 is ever hearing safe anyways.



They absolutely can purchase them. You’re probably a goober if you own one though.

More reason to keep active hearing protection on hand with your carbine. To quote the SWAT instructor at my range, "we're wearing peltor comtacs, we don't care about the noise from unsuppressed."

But yeah, if you own a ballistic shield then you have more money than sense.

 

[Boney]

I'm almost afraid to be "that guy" again... but uh... actually I'm not.

Why are we not putting our suppressors on for the exact situation in which a suppressor is going to have its most profound positive effects?

You get the short gun so you can put on the supressor without it being burdensome and overly long. Your Mk18 yearns for the can and the whole reason you stump max is so that you can free up that length and weight for force multipliers.

A shorter gun in general is desirable but even better then that is rapidly placed follow up shots because you aren't flashbanging yourself every shot from the shorty in the hallway.

 

[The Dude]

I'm almost afraid to be "that guy" again... but uh... actually I'm not.

Why are we not putting our suppressors on for the exact situation in which a suppressor is going to have its most profound positive effects?

You get the short gun so you can put on the supressor without it being burdensome and overly long. Your Mk18 yearns for the can and the whole reason you stump max is so that you can free up that length and weight for force multipliers.

A shorter gun in general is desirable but even better then that is rapidly placed follow up shots because you aren't flashbanging yourself every shot from the shorty in the hallway.

Right now my Vector is my main home defense gun and I keep a can on it, as well as a sling to make it much harder to take away from me. I've got plans to get frangible ammo specifically for home defense, after test firing them in the Vector to ensure reliable function.

 

[Boney]

Right now my Vector is my main home defense gun and I keep a can on it, as well as a sling to make it much harder to take away from me. I've got plans to get frangible ammo specifically for home defense, after test firing them in the Vector to ensure reliable function.

You should probably skip the frangible and stick with hollowpoints. In pistol calibers you really need that penetration and deformation quite badly. The key to not shooting through walls is to not miss. I'm not being snarky, it is genuinely the only good answer. Make sure you have a flashlight on your gun.

 

[Taser Confetti]

More reason to keep active hearing protection on hand with your carbine. To quote the SWAT instructor at my range, "we're wearing peltor comtacs, we don't care about the noise from unsuppressed."

My handguns are my “get the fuck out of my house gun” solution. If I’m grabbing my 10.3 it’s because of some boomer fantasy like a suburban full of MS13 decided to roll up to my house and try to kill me and at that point I’ll take the tinnitus. I’m not buying some bump helmet with the modular peltors because I don’t own NVG’s and think the majority of people who own them are LARPers with more money than sense searching for Instagram likes.

Why are we not putting our suppressors on for the exact situation in which a suppressor is going to have its most profound positive effects?

Because I’d rather not get the end of my rifle grabbed by a tweaker or nigger while I’m trying to clear my house.

You should probably skip the frangible and stick with hollowpoints

Federal HST or go home.

 

[Boney]

Because I’d rather not get the end of my rifle grabbed by a tweaker or nigger while I’m trying to clear my house.

Why are we clearing the house?

Federal HST or go home.

Good take for .45 I am also an HST enjoyer

 

[DocAwe]

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Because I’d rather not get the end of my rifle grabbed by a tweaker or nigger while I’m trying to clear my house.

If someone grabs the muzzle of your rifle maybe just shoot them with it?

 

[Taser Confetti]

Why are we clearing the house?

I’d tell 99% of people to run to the master bedroom with their kids and barricade it and keep on the line with 911 if some freak kicks down their door.

I’m an ornery son of a bitch and have enough training though that if someone does that to me I’m coming for them. I also live in the middle of fucking nowhere and there’s no telling even when dispatch also contacts the state troopers to assist that they’ll get there.

If someone grabs the muzzle of your rifle maybe just shoot them with it?

Depending on the angle that will accomplish little to nothing.

 

[Boney]

have enough training

>have enough training
>does the wrong thing

 

[The Dude]

You should probably skip the frangible and stick with hollowpoints. In pistol calibers you really need that penetration and deformation quite badly. The key to not shooting through walls is to not miss. I'm not being snarky, it is genuinely the only good answer. Make sure you have a flashlight on your gun.

Hollowpoints are what I've currently got loaded up. Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P 9mm. I do have a flashlight mounted, a Surefire XH35, but I will eventually change that out for either an X300 1000lm, or possibly a ScoutLight down the road.

Good take for .45 I am also an

230gr HSTs are what I use in my Dan Wesson Specialist for carry. For my Staccato P I load either Hornaday Critical Duty 135gr FlexLock +Ps for most of the year, and Underwood 90gr +P Xtreme Defenders for cold weather when heavy coats start getting worn since they don't have a hollowpoint to get gummed up and fail to expand, but still provide similar hydrostatic shock performance as a hollowpoint.