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@thhrang is there anything close to a timeline on this? Ana Valens is very high on my personal shitlist.
VTuber Kirsche Verstahl - Host of Foxu News and anti-BRIDGE activist.
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I believe that @reinigen is actually currently working on a big effortpost timeline of everything that should be done by the end of the day.
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Oh no. Kirsche might have cured Null anime racism!
Truly today is a day of miracles!
Truly today is a day of miracles!
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While you're waiting for the effortpost, I can at least give you info on what caused Ana Valens and whoever that bint guy is to set their sights on Kirsche in the first place. Ana Valens wrote a hitpiece on a coomer Vtuber agency called VAllure, accusing them of transphobia and, ironically, pedophilia. Kirsche covered the situation in an April 4 livestream and started digging into who Ana Valens is live on air. The relevant portion of the livestream was uploaded as a separate video here:
This is why. This video is why Ana Valens got Big Mad at an anime fox girl and started writing hit pieces.
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Hey null since you are posting on this thread, would you ever consider doing a stream with kirsche to talk about valen?
I just want to see the synthetic thread meltdown
I just want to see the synthetic thread meltdown
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It's been an interesting few weeks.
Out of curiosity, it used to be that threads on a person could start with something as simple as a one-line post of someone asking if one could start a thread. But nowadays, every person thread opens up with an extensive biography detailing a person's life along with their phonebook.
Are old-timey discussion threads something that's still an option?
TOTAL FUTAFAGGOT DEATH
>Feb or March: A Vtuber company called VAllure that focuses heavily on pornographic content gears up to hire a new lineup
>Ana Valens (From here referred to by 'Phil') applies and tells other trannies to do the same
>They tell him and other tranny applicants 'in no uncertain terms' that they aren't interested in a tranny vtuber
>Phil goes on a big internet crusade calling VAllure pedophiles and calls on other trannies to brigade any business connections of theirs to hurt their bottom line
>At the same time, he and a vtweeter (tranny activists who never stream but larp as vtubers on twitter) called 'NBinted' also do the same with Kirsche
>they bombard everything from gamersupps to youtooz all the way down to 'Dragon's Treasure' with emails telling them that she's a nazi and that they need to cancel their deals with her immediately
>they even get some tranny affiliates of gamersupps including a vtuber called RinPenrose to cancel their affiliate links in protest, all in an attempt to hurt her financially
> an entire crowd of trannies posting incessantly about Kirsche and about how she's a nazi with all kinds of gay guilt-by-association shit every single day, for months
>While Kirsche is on holiday, Phil posts an article about her on Vice, calling her a nazi, and then another article
>2 days after the first article dropped, the devs of CrimeBoss, a game Kirsche had been advertising for free for 2 years and just gave her a proper monetized affiliate link a month before, cut ties with her
>When she asked why, they said it was a 'unanimous' decision and declined any offers for her to clear it up or talking to her manager
>Phil doubles down on calling for trannies to brigade businesses to demand they cut ties with Kirsche, there's a 3rd hit piece, at least one of the articles has outright doctored screenshots and attributes random posts on 4chan and 8chan to her
>retards in Kirsche's chat keep memeing that she should sue them over this
>about 2 days ago, she posts a video clip of a cosplayer dressed up as her avatar sticking a C&D letter to Vice's wall (not an outside wall, right where the mailbox is)
>yesterday, Vice deletes/pulls all 3 hit pieces
>Today, Phil posts on twitter and bluesky that Futa Fridays are over and then DFEs (or rather simply deactivates his twitter and Bluesky account)
Out of curiosity, it used to be that threads on a person could start with something as simple as a one-line post of someone asking if one could start a thread. But nowadays, every person thread opens up with an extensive biography detailing a person's life along with their phonebook.
Are old-timey discussion threads something that's still an option?
>no more futa friday
TOTAL FUTAFAGGOT DEATH
No, hasnt been compiled yet, that'll prob take a few hours. Here's a QRD
>Feb or March: A Vtuber company called VAllure that focuses heavily on pornographic content gears up to hire a new lineup
>Ana Valens (From here referred to by 'Phil') applies and tells other trannies to do the same
>They tell him and other tranny applicants 'in no uncertain terms' that they aren't interested in a tranny vtuber
>Phil goes on a big internet crusade calling VAllure pedophiles and calls on other trannies to brigade any business connections of theirs to hurt their bottom line
>At the same time, he and a vtweeter (tranny activists who never stream but larp as vtubers on twitter) called 'NBinted' also do the same with Kirsche
>they bombard everything from gamersupps to youtooz all the way down to 'Dragon's Treasure' with emails telling them that she's a nazi and that they need to cancel their deals with her immediately
>they even get some tranny affiliates of gamersupps including a vtuber called RinPenrose to cancel their affiliate links in protest, all in an attempt to hurt her financially
> an entire crowd of trannies posting incessantly about Kirsche and about how she's a nazi with all kinds of gay guilt-by-association shit every single day, for months
>While Kirsche is on holiday, Phil posts an article about her on Vice, calling her a nazi, and then another article
>2 days after the first article dropped, the devs of CrimeBoss, a game Kirsche had been advertising for free for 2 years and just gave her a proper monetized affiliate link a month before, cut ties with her
>When she asked why, they said it was a 'unanimous' decision and declined any offers for her to clear it up or talking to her manager
>Phil doubles down on calling for trannies to brigade businesses to demand they cut ties with Kirsche, there's a 3rd hit piece, at least one of the articles has outright doctored screenshots and attributes random posts on 4chan and 8chan to her
>retards in Kirsche's chat keep memeing that she should sue them over this
>about 2 days ago, she posts a video clip of a cosplayer dressed up as her avatar sticking a C&D letter to Vice's wall (not an outside wall, right where the mailbox is)
>yesterday, Vice deletes/pulls all 3 hit pieces
>Today, Phil posts on twitter and bluesky that Futa Fridays are over and then DFEs (or rather simply deactivates his twitter and Bluesky account)
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Can you get me links to all three of the articles?
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One thing that cannot be understated is how much attention Asmongold directed at this situation. He started playing Kirsche's videos on Ana Valens on his own livestream and showing Ana Valens' greatest hits like the rape barn and the confession about compulsively masturbating to children to over 600 000 people.
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A video*
Anyways don’t forget the gamer gate remnants and asmongold rallying to defend kirsche and vtubers as a whole from jorno scum with rape fetishes.
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I technically also skipped the sportskeeda article and the ex sportskeeda editor that defended her, but it covered the gist.
Speaking of, something we need to archive is the part where Asmongold forced his audience to listen to the rape camp clip. I just realized it's not in kirsche's 2nd ova so the clock's ticking.
reinigen
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This is an okay summary, but you only have the most tail end of the story here and vastly undersells how RETARDEDLY ENTERTAINING this whole sordid affair was. For the record, I'll do a summary of the whole chain of events here.Vice News picked a fight with a vtuber on behalf of a pedophile tranny rape fetishist calling itself Ana Valens and lost after said vtuber had a cosplayer tape a cease & desist full of anime stickers and memes to their door. Also, she named the C&D "Academics Please Respond" in honor of Kraut and Tea.
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Looks like a cosplayer was sent to mail it, lmao.
She is threatening to go to court if VICE does not stop & retract their articles.
(https://archive.is/IxrO1)
(https://www.vice.com/en/article/waypoint-stands-with-ana-valens/)
(https://archive.is/wip/1INqo)
(https://www.vice.com/en/article/vtubing-has-an-elephant-in-the-room-bigotry/)
(https://archive.is/wip/Ilq5c)
(https://www.vice.com/en/article/why-is-this-gamer-supps-vtuber-pushing-the-great-replacement-theory/)
The articles by Phil and the article by Waypoint where they stand by him got nuked.
Ana Valens has its own thread here:
Notes -
- I will use the term "Vtuber Community" very loosely here and there. There is no real centralized community. There will be pockets surrounding fan groups of specific talents/agencies, and spheres of influence centered around major places such as here, /vt/, Reddit, TVA, etc, but there is truly no UNIFIED vTuber community..
- There is another major actor in this story of an anonymous Twitter account named "NBinted". NBinted, or Bint for short, is a they/them and has a rather long and infamous history in vTubing Twitter for such shitty behavior as excusing doxing of talents and handwaving away suicide attempts. For the last 6 months his fixation has been attempting to cancel Kirsche. A large source of the disinfo on her is sourced from Bint's timeline where he constantly strawman's Kirsche's arguements, and is constantly removing context and lying by omission to paint her as worse than she is. For the sake of space, I won't be mentioning them much but they DO play an important part of all the Tweeting and Signaling going on. Lots of Valens Twitter sources either directly or indirectly go back to Bint.
- I will also describe events in chronological order where possible. Stuff written in red will be information that is revealed at a later date, but was added for the sake of keeping everything in chronological order.
THE GREAT TRANNY/VTUBER RETARD WAR OF 2025
Principal Combatants -
Ana Valens
Besides being an absolute disgrace of a journalist who can't stop talking about sex because he's a rotted porn brained gooner, Valens also fancies himself as a vtuber.
Ana has positioned himself in the highly niche market as a "Giantess/Vore/Fart/Burp" vTuber. VODs are scarce because Valens - SHOCKINGLY - deletes them immediately after every stream. However some clips remain to give you an idea of the quality of entertainment.
Surely filling this wanted niche of entertaining, Valens MUST have a large audience, right?
(Note - that hump is likely botted followrs being added and summarily removed once the accounts were axed)
Now why would this failed waste of space be so interested in the vTuber sphere? Simple, for quite a while now most of the top female streamers in the world are vTubers.
As with all things, progs (and especially trannies) chase where the money is. They want to infiltrate and spread their influence. vTubing is just one of the latest battlegrounds in this gay infiltration of hobbies.
Kirsche Verstahl
Thread here - Kirsche is a professional Independant vTuber who has been streaming since Nov. 2018. She herself is a bit outside the norm of regular vTubers. She has what many would consider an "Old-school internet" edgy sense of humor, and is decidedly much less PC than most vTubers are. Although she games, chats, and reacts to stuff like most other vTubers, she dips her toes into Current Events and Politics. Worse, she commits the cardinal sin of having right leaning political beliefs. Some of her biggest streams the last year has been live-reacting to Trump being shot (thanks to ace Chatter "CatPeeFetish" alerting the stream), Election Day Coverage, as well as Trump's Inauguration Day. In an industry infested but socially-maladjusted, low social skills, prog minded women, she is a relative anomaly. And it has caused her no small amount of headaches because she is outspoken in her ideals.
Kirsche remained relatively small until late 2022/early 2023 when she started gaining traction. Despite her models vibrating like she has Parkinson's (she's been scammed by no less than 3 artists) she currently streams to about 3000 CCV on both Twitch and Youtube combined.
In short, Kirsche is everything Valens hates. A biofem. A republican. Successful. Doesn't have to be a degenerate on main to make money. And most importantly, publicly says "trans women are men in dresses".
vTweeters
vTweeters deserve a special section here because you have to understand how idiotic most of these retards are. Although there's no SET definition of "vTweeter", it will largely refer to three groups typically.- Small indie vTubers who spend more time Tweeting and Seething than actually producing content
- Hyper progressive/Communist/PoC/Alphabet People who use vTubing as another medium to push their politics rather than a form of entertainment.
- Children.
Precurser - The ASMR Tranny Gatekeeping
On March 31st, 2025 it was announced that Valens was hired by Vice/Waypoint to be a contributer.
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Valens once again leveraged their journalist position to start writing about his kinks and sex video games nonstop. He also proclaimed he would start writing about vTubers as well. And he wasted no time in trying to abuse his place of power to try and bully people he had an axe to grind with.
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A day later on April 1st, Valens released the article "These vTubers Want You In Their Lewd Game. You Might Want To Pass". This piece was about VAllure - a small vTuber corpo specializing in erotic ASMR vTubers. Although they stream normally, they also will release PG-13 ASMR on their channels, as well as R18 ASMR on their Fansly pages. The talent are all female, and their target audience is men. No surprise there.
Although Valens tries to dress it up other ways, the reason for this article becomes apparent nearly half way through. In a recent stream announcing they are recruiting more vTubers for a "Second Generation", the talent got asked about trans talent. Shibi Cottonbum - the rabbit in the above picture - used the most PC way of saying "No Trannies" by stating applicants "Need to sound like a woman". They also emphasized they have no intention of doing lesbian (or F4F) content. Needless to say, this caused Valens to seethe on his Bluesky account when it happened.
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The vTuber community at large quickly recognized this article for what it was - a coom brained tranny pissed they couldn't join a semi-sucessful porn themed vTuber corpo. It was mocked in most of the major chat locations (Here, 4chan, TVA) but obviously it gained SOME traction in the major prog hive clusters of Reddit, some pockets of Twitter, and obviously BlueSky where the above screenshots were taken from.
Some "drama" vTubers also covered and critiqued the article. Although I won't go into detail about them, it is notable that two vTubers in particular - Rima Evenstar and ElaraVTUBER - talked about this on stream. It's notable because Valens showed up to those streams and demanded he be given a platform to "Correct the Record".
Considering the days before the VAllure article got dropped Valens could be seen seething on his BlueSky, in the days after these videos from Rima and Elara it was easy to see what was coming.
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Luckily for those two - and unluckily for Kirsche - Kirsche herself decided to criticize Valens as well.
Kirsche - in her normal autistic fashion - didn't just talk about the VAllure article. She brought up tons of examples of Valens' past misdeeds onstream, up to and including Valens' KiwiFarms thread, the DM's from Null, and the "Cis Girl Breeding Facility" Voice recording. When Kirsche talks about topics, she likes to put all the sources on screen to show proof of what she's talking about. She's meticulous and wants the fact she went over something recorded so she can't be accused of lying or making shit up.
Valens immediately took notice and dropped all talk of Rima and Elara, and a much more enticing target was chosen.
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Valens once again leveraged their journalist position to start writing about his kinks and sex video games nonstop. He also proclaimed he would start writing about vTubers as well. And he wasted no time in trying to abuse his place of power to try and bully people he had an axe to grind with.
[A]A day later on April 1st, Valens released the article "These vTubers Want You In Their Lewd Game. You Might Want To Pass". This piece was about VAllure - a small vTuber corpo specializing in erotic ASMR vTubers. Although they stream normally, they also will release PG-13 ASMR on their channels, as well as R18 ASMR on their Fansly pages. The talent are all female, and their target audience is men. No surprise there.
Although Valens tries to dress it up other ways, the reason for this article becomes apparent nearly half way through. In a recent stream announcing they are recruiting more vTubers for a "Second Generation", the talent got asked about trans talent. Shibi Cottonbum - the rabbit in the above picture - used the most PC way of saying "No Trannies" by stating applicants "Need to sound like a woman". They also emphasized they have no intention of doing lesbian (or F4F) content. Needless to say, this caused Valens to seethe on his Bluesky account when it happened.
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[A]The vTuber community at large quickly recognized this article for what it was - a coom brained tranny pissed they couldn't join a semi-sucessful porn themed vTuber corpo. It was mocked in most of the major chat locations (Here, 4chan, TVA) but obviously it gained SOME traction in the major prog hive clusters of Reddit, some pockets of Twitter, and obviously BlueSky where the above screenshots were taken from.
Some "drama" vTubers also covered and critiqued the article. Although I won't go into detail about them, it is notable that two vTubers in particular - Rima Evenstar and ElaraVTUBER - talked about this on stream. It's notable because Valens showed up to those streams and demanded he be given a platform to "Correct the Record".
Considering the days before the VAllure article got dropped Valens could be seen seething on his BlueSky, in the days after these videos from Rima and Elara it was easy to see what was coming.
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[A]Luckily for those two - and unluckily for Kirsche - Kirsche herself decided to criticize Valens as well.
Kirsche - in her normal autistic fashion - didn't just talk about the VAllure article. She brought up tons of examples of Valens' past misdeeds onstream, up to and including Valens' KiwiFarms thread, the DM's from Null, and the "Cis Girl Breeding Facility" Voice recording. When Kirsche talks about topics, she likes to put all the sources on screen to show proof of what she's talking about. She's meticulous and wants the fact she went over something recorded so she can't be accused of lying or making shit up.
Valens immediately took notice and dropped all talk of Rima and Elara, and a much more enticing target was chosen.
Article #1 - "Why Is This ‘Gamer Supps’ VTuber Pushing the Great Replacement Theory?"
[A]On April 21st, the day a planned vacation for Kirsche, Valens dropped an obvious hitpiece against Kirsche. Valens opens by not talking about Kirsche, but by bring up her largest sponsor Gamersupps. The article then spent the the entire time taking Kirsche completely out of context to frame her as "An Alt-Right Nazi Transphobe". Some examples of the 'proof' Valens used -
The point that people latched onto the hardest however was one of the most innocuous things she did. Last year Kirsche sold a marketable plushie version of herself that started shipping in April. She has been retweeting fan photos of the plush that were sent her way. One such photo is this one from account called "Pippa_Feet" (Or Senchou Mimikyu)
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In the 3rd photo, you can see Kirsche's plushie (along with a plush version of Pipkin Pippa) flanking a series of books to the untrained eye that look like war books. Upon further inspection however, the books appear to be actual, not meme, ACTUAL Nazi literature from a publisher called "Antelope Hill" that is described as a white supremicist publisher online. Mimikyu would identify those books as "Michael" by Joseph Goebbles, In His Own Words: The Essential Speeches of Adolf Hitler, and "The Burning Souls" by neo-Nazi Léon Degrelle. Valens goes on to of course say shit like "While Kirsche is a political VTuber, it remains unclear if the content creator was aware of the Nazi imagery seen on the bookshelf — or the various fascist books on display. In fact, several VTubers jumped into a lively Twitter debate about whether Kirsche had the knowledge to recognize fascist imagery at all. One German VTuber claimed she didn’t “even know” that the Iron Cross was a popular Nazi symbol. Regardless, it’s likely Kirsche is now aware of the imagery and meaning of the books shared by the retweeted user after a day’s worth of discourse on Twitter. Yet Senchou’s post remains shared on her Twitter page."
At a later point in time, Kirsche would reveal she left the retweet up because it felt like a lose/lose move. She personally felt keeping it up was the right thing to do as she prefers to own up to her own mistakes. However, she knew that if she left it up she would be accused of retweeting Nazi stuff. But if she removed the tweet, she knew she would be accused of "Trying to hide the evidence".
After the article dropped, Valens began a full court press of retweeting any and all people on Bluesky publicly calling for all of Kirsche's sponsors to drop her. As well, all of the seething prog indies started coming out of the woodwork to amplify all the noise. To give an idea of how idiotic these people are(we disparagingly call them vTweeters in the business) a chunk of them took this Jim tweet as 100% serious. (For the record, as of writing Valens has privated his Twitter. This WAS a retweet of the article above)
https://x.com/MoshiMoshiMoan/status/1914534375254802937 - https://ghostarchive.org/archive/xQIVO
A minor thing of note is that Valens displayed how little the knew a few times with this article. The biggest example is stating the vTuber Nyanners was still with the vtuber corporation vShojo. As of this article, Nyanners had left vShojo nearly two years ago. Facts like this and others would be silently removed from the article over time and no update notice. He would do this with all his articles, and his stealth edits were caught repeatedly by archive sites showing the remove over time.
Kirsche would proceed to not comment at all on the events and seeminly kept quiet during the duration of her vacation. Despite her silence however Valens' articles were already having an effect. Kirsche partnered with INGAME Studios with a game called "Crime Boss Rockay City". It is a Payday knockoff with celebrity tie ins. It's not particularly well liked, but she's autistic and loves the game for some reason. She had been promoting the game for nearly two years and had gotten several short-term affiliate links in recent months to help beta test their revenue split program. Although she didn't share the DMs, Kirsche shared the Devs had informed her that the code purchases for the game were a massive force in driving their sales. She had also helped the game out on the backend by hooking them up with industry contacts she had for asset modelers and voice actors. The justification for dropping her, as Kirsche was told, "Was not related to the article" - however they linked two sets of Tweets that were evidence given in the article. Needless to say this smelt like bullshit. They refused to negotiate with Kirsche or her manager, and quietly dropped her stating it was a unanimous decision. Kirsche would not announce this fact until Friday, May 9th. It made up a decent amount of her regular stream content, and here is an example of how much she played it.
According to Twitch's metrics, she was literally the #1 Crime Boss Rockay City streamer.
- A Reddit Post calling Kirsche "The main culprit I've seen for alt-right pandering"
- Another Reddit post saying "she's Alt-Right, anti-woke, and apparently transphobic to a degree" while also saying "none of this is my own info, just restating what other people said, can't confirm nor deny this stuff"
- Out of context clips from an account know to be a shit-stirring troll who has been trying to cancel Kirsche for over a Year:
- Misconstruing Kirsche talking about how fucked up migration is in Britain as "The Great Replacement Theory"
- Kirsche retweeting the Whitehouse tweeting out the ICE tip line
The point that people latched onto the hardest however was one of the most innocuous things she did. Last year Kirsche sold a marketable plushie version of herself that started shipping in April. She has been retweeting fan photos of the plush that were sent her way. One such photo is this one from account called "Pippa_Feet" (Or Senchou Mimikyu)
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In the 3rd photo, you can see Kirsche's plushie (along with a plush version of Pipkin Pippa) flanking a series of books to the untrained eye that look like war books. Upon further inspection however, the books appear to be actual, not meme, ACTUAL Nazi literature from a publisher called "Antelope Hill" that is described as a white supremicist publisher online. Mimikyu would identify those books as "Michael" by Joseph Goebbles, In His Own Words: The Essential Speeches of Adolf Hitler, and "The Burning Souls" by neo-Nazi Léon Degrelle. Valens goes on to of course say shit like "While Kirsche is a political VTuber, it remains unclear if the content creator was aware of the Nazi imagery seen on the bookshelf — or the various fascist books on display. In fact, several VTubers jumped into a lively Twitter debate about whether Kirsche had the knowledge to recognize fascist imagery at all. One German VTuber claimed she didn’t “even know” that the Iron Cross was a popular Nazi symbol. Regardless, it’s likely Kirsche is now aware of the imagery and meaning of the books shared by the retweeted user after a day’s worth of discourse on Twitter. Yet Senchou’s post remains shared on her Twitter page."
At a later point in time, Kirsche would reveal she left the retweet up because it felt like a lose/lose move. She personally felt keeping it up was the right thing to do as she prefers to own up to her own mistakes. However, she knew that if she left it up she would be accused of retweeting Nazi stuff. But if she removed the tweet, she knew she would be accused of "Trying to hide the evidence".
After the article dropped, Valens began a full court press of retweeting any and all people on Bluesky publicly calling for all of Kirsche's sponsors to drop her. As well, all of the seething prog indies started coming out of the woodwork to amplify all the noise. To give an idea of how idiotic these people are(we disparagingly call them vTweeters in the business) a chunk of them took this Jim tweet as 100% serious. (For the record, as of writing Valens has privated his Twitter. This WAS a retweet of the article above)
https://x.com/MoshiMoshiMoan/status/1914534375254802937 - https://ghostarchive.org/archive/xQIVO
A minor thing of note is that Valens displayed how little the knew a few times with this article. The biggest example is stating the vTuber Nyanners was still with the vtuber corporation vShojo. As of this article, Nyanners had left vShojo nearly two years ago. Facts like this and others would be silently removed from the article over time and no update notice. He would do this with all his articles, and his stealth edits were caught repeatedly by archive sites showing the remove over time.
Kirsche would proceed to not comment at all on the events and seeminly kept quiet during the duration of her vacation. Despite her silence however Valens' articles were already having an effect. Kirsche partnered with INGAME Studios with a game called "Crime Boss Rockay City". It is a Payday knockoff with celebrity tie ins. It's not particularly well liked, but she's autistic and loves the game for some reason. She had been promoting the game for nearly two years and had gotten several short-term affiliate links in recent months to help beta test their revenue split program. Although she didn't share the DMs, Kirsche shared the Devs had informed her that the code purchases for the game were a massive force in driving their sales. She had also helped the game out on the backend by hooking them up with industry contacts she had for asset modelers and voice actors. The justification for dropping her, as Kirsche was told, "Was not related to the article" - however they linked two sets of Tweets that were evidence given in the article. Needless to say this smelt like bullshit. They refused to negotiate with Kirsche or her manager, and quietly dropped her stating it was a unanimous decision. Kirsche would not announce this fact until Friday, May 9th. It made up a decent amount of her regular stream content, and here is an example of how much she played it.
According to Twitch's metrics, she was literally the #1 Crime Boss Rockay City streamer.
Kirsche Return Stream - 4/29/2025
She also tweeted out this image as a summary of most of the worst points made from the article -
The one major concession Kirsche gave was she asked GamerSupps to remove the badge from her Twitter account. People were spamming her friends and contacts demanding to know "DO YOU SUPPORT THIS WHITE SUPREMECIST NAZI" and the like, so she was hoping this would help in some way. GamerSupps would remove the badge a week and a half in the future, but it stayed for a few days angering the vTweeters.
It's that little icon on the end. Functionally, it serves no purpose. GamerSupps is still sponsoring Kirsche and she's still shilling her code (Code KIRSCHE for 10% off). It was a minor bit of hope that it would help KIND of slow things down, but no such luck.
In the background, Valens was still seething and reweeting people trying to cancel Kirsche
Kirsche Stream - 5/02/2025
VTweeters and Valens latched onto this to claim "Kirsche is fine giving racists money" and "Kirsche thinks it's fine to call 9 year olds slurs".
SportsKeeda - VTuber Kirsche goes viral for seemingly defending Shiloh Hendrix's fundraiser after latter reportedly calls a child the N-word
While not directly related to Ana, this is still relatively important. An article came out by what appears to be an Indian Slop Website by ace reporter "Richik "anarkiddie" Bhattacharya" from Kolkota, India. I'm pretty sure it was compiled by AI or something because shit's just wrong. It makes no effort to distinguish between what Kirsche is saying, vs what she's obviously reading as comments from chat. On top of that, they post clips that completely debunk the thesis/title of the article by just watching for a few seconds.
Kirsche herself - once again - spent time on stream breaking down point by point why it was wrong and showed it was most likely an AI Slop Jeet article.
This didn't stop the vTweeters however. They went into overdrive spreading it without actually reading the article (shock) spreading the word Kirsche thinks its fine to call children slurs.
The quatlity was so bad that even Roach King Asmongold made a video about reacting to the article.
As of today this video is sitting at 700k views and is the first MAJOR positive coverage for Kirsche. Other content creators would start paying attention to the situation because of how shitty this article was. Of special note - for those that don't follow Asmongold - he's been an an absolute "Anti-Progressive Brain Rot" kick as of late. He's come into direct conflict with popular Commie/Socialist Political streamers like Hasan and others. He has been outright streaming Trump stuff, and combating prog politics talking points through careful and actually nuanced conversation with his audience. I know the man's reputation, but it's been great to see him cause every prog in the streaming space to collectively shit their pants about his current streaming style.
This is important - and will come up later - because he ends this video on Kirsche with two major points. One, he's fucking sick of cancel culture. He has sworn that when he sees a cancel culture story that is obviously false he's going to use his platform to showcase those injustices to the public. Two, he urges people that the only way to stop this going forward is to rat on every spineless company that dares to capitulate to the cancel mob. He calls for them all to be outed, and put on blast to shame them as hard as possible. This call to action will come back later in the story.
Kirsche herself - once again - spent time on stream breaking down point by point why it was wrong and showed it was most likely an AI Slop Jeet article.
This didn't stop the vTweeters however. They went into overdrive spreading it without actually reading the article (shock) spreading the word Kirsche thinks its fine to call children slurs.
The quatlity was so bad that even Roach King Asmongold made a video about reacting to the article.
This is important - and will come up later - because he ends this video on Kirsche with two major points. One, he's fucking sick of cancel culture. He has sworn that when he sees a cancel culture story that is obviously false he's going to use his platform to showcase those injustices to the public. Two, he urges people that the only way to stop this going forward is to rat on every spineless company that dares to capitulate to the cancel mob. He calls for them all to be outed, and put on blast to shame them as hard as possible. This call to action will come back later in the story.
Rin Penrose opens they/them's mouth
Rin Penrose is another vTuber that has a lot of bad stuff going for her. First, she's British. Second, she identifies with "they/them" pronouns, and third, they are Asexual. Rin currently sits at 860k YouTube subscribers but doesn't have to show for it.
The reason is because Rin gamed the YouTube shorts algorithm to her major subscription size. Despite the fact she is nearly 10x the size subscriber wise of Kirsche, Kirsche has double to triple her CCV. Rin also doesn't make nearly the same amount of money. This is because the Shorts game - notoriously - favors CHILDREN as the audience. They usually don't have that much money to give. Anyways, the reason I bring Rin up...
https://x.com/RinPenrose/status/1919814420886155527 - https://ghostarchive.org/archive/Z6N9a
As of today it's sitting at 2.4 million views. Rin is a sizable and known creature. Much more 'clout' then Kirsche because Rin has the right politics and is a more traditional vTuber, and used to be a Corporate vTuber. This caused people to take Valens' cancel campaign on Kirsche to be taken much more seriously. People outside the vTweeter sphere started talking about this. And shortly thereafter the GamerSupps icon from Kirsche's Twitter account was finally removed.
Now, at this point there WAS another major issue invovling GamerSupps at this time. However, this was regarding a major Indie vTuber being unmasked as a backstabbing duplicitous bitch. Another story for another day. One issue was this vTuber, Sinder, was partial owner of GamerSupps. However, the astute could see Rin was using term "Views" in this tweet, not "Actions". As such, it was easy to piece together Rin meant Kirsche. People did side-eye this message though because "If the person mentioned is so terrible, why did you not call them out by name?" It seemed like she was half committing to the call-out while not explicitly naming them, so people were cynical of this move.
One odd thing about this situation though is the fact Rin Penrose even made this stance to begin with. Rin is rather known for keeping in her lane and being drama free. It's especially interesting when you consider two facts -
1) Rin's ex-Corpo - Idol - was originally founded in Israel. Despite the obvious Prog indicators, she has never once waded into the Israel/Palestine issues, even after leaving the company.
2) Rin's manager - https://x.com/zoey_mane - is a well known Tranny Shit-stirrer. I've seen speculation that this issue was probably pushed largely by Zoey and Rin just went along for the ride.
So how did this work out for Rin? Well, let's check the stats on they/them's next stream?
20 dollars. NOICE.
Valens of course glommed onto this as a major means to push his horseshit again. He once again went into overdrive asking for why GamerSupps hasn't dropped Kirsche yet. And why do we allow this Nazi on the platform.
The reason is because Rin gamed the YouTube shorts algorithm to her major subscription size. Despite the fact she is nearly 10x the size subscriber wise of Kirsche, Kirsche has double to triple her CCV. Rin also doesn't make nearly the same amount of money. This is because the Shorts game - notoriously - favors CHILDREN as the audience. They usually don't have that much money to give. Anyways, the reason I bring Rin up...
https://x.com/RinPenrose/status/1919814420886155527 - https://ghostarchive.org/archive/Z6N9a
As of today it's sitting at 2.4 million views. Rin is a sizable and known creature. Much more 'clout' then Kirsche because Rin has the right politics and is a more traditional vTuber, and used to be a Corporate vTuber. This caused people to take Valens' cancel campaign on Kirsche to be taken much more seriously. People outside the vTweeter sphere started talking about this. And shortly thereafter the GamerSupps icon from Kirsche's Twitter account was finally removed.
Now, at this point there WAS another major issue invovling GamerSupps at this time. However, this was regarding a major Indie vTuber being unmasked as a backstabbing duplicitous bitch. Another story for another day. One issue was this vTuber, Sinder, was partial owner of GamerSupps. However, the astute could see Rin was using term "Views" in this tweet, not "Actions". As such, it was easy to piece together Rin meant Kirsche. People did side-eye this message though because "If the person mentioned is so terrible, why did you not call them out by name?" It seemed like she was half committing to the call-out while not explicitly naming them, so people were cynical of this move.
One odd thing about this situation though is the fact Rin Penrose even made this stance to begin with. Rin is rather known for keeping in her lane and being drama free. It's especially interesting when you consider two facts -
1) Rin's ex-Corpo - Idol - was originally founded in Israel. Despite the obvious Prog indicators, she has never once waded into the Israel/Palestine issues, even after leaving the company.
2) Rin's manager - https://x.com/zoey_mane - is a well known Tranny Shit-stirrer. I've seen speculation that this issue was probably pushed largely by Zoey and Rin just went along for the ride.
So how did this work out for Rin? Well, let's check the stats on they/them's next stream?
20 dollars. NOICE.
Valens of course glommed onto this as a major means to push his horseshit again. He once again went into overdrive asking for why GamerSupps hasn't dropped Kirsche yet. And why do we allow this Nazi on the platform.
Article #2 - VTubing Has an Elephant in the Room: Bigotry
[A]So while the Prog/vTweeter side of Twitter was trying to get Kirsche cancelled, the vTuber Fandom at large knew about Valens and his history. They remembered his history with GamerGate and immediately knew the playbook this retard was using. So they responded in the traditional way to someone like Valens - telling him he will never be a woman and to neck himself.
Article #2 immediately starts recounting Rin Penrose talking about dropping her GamerSupps sponsorship again. After that, she goes into once again starts going in on Kirsche - emphasizing her GamerSupps sponsorship, and citing that AI Slop SportsKeeda article as another source on why she's super duper racist. She also cited a handful of Tweets from that NBinted fellow I mentioned earlier, as well as Nyara - another tranny vTuber from Germany who is big into trans'ing kids.
This is mainly because he wished that he had transitioned as a kid. He didn't however, so his voice sounds like the fucking Fish from American Dad.
Have you guys noticed how Kirsche's Rogues Gallery seems to all be trannies? Funny how that's working out for her.(editor's note - @Null - there was a proving grounds thread on this freak located here - https://kiwifarms.st/goto/post?id=20142465 - any idea what happened to it?)
Back to the article. Valens then proceeds to use Rin as a cudgel to try and whip up people to target Kirsche - "Regardless, I suspect Penrose won’t be the last creator to cuts ties with Gamer Supps in the weeks ahead. Penrose is a major creator in the VTubing space, and I suspect her departure will embolden others to voice their displeasure with Gamer Supps’ radio silence on Kirsche’s comments. Or at the very least, they may be utterly alarmed by the kind of vitriol being posted under Penrose’s announcement tweet. The replies, to be blunt, are a dumpster fire."
Valens then starts to equate the typical Internet response of "Kill Yourself" and "Fuck off Progs" to a problem that reflects the whole vTuber Community. He of course never shows any of the Tweets in the opposite direction of telling Kirsche to neck herself because she's a Nazi and everything. Valens continues by quoting this "“Bro look at the comments on this,” a concerned VTuber fan wrote, quotetweeting Penrose. “The VTuber scene has been absolutely infested with right-wing weirdos, actively defending a VTuber that spouts The Great Replacement Theory and is just bigoted from head to toe. What happened [to] the community I loved?”"
With that out of the way, Valens spends most of the rest of the article documenting THE AWFUL BIGOTED HATE he experienced in places for JUST ASKING QUESTIONS and STANDING UP FOR TRANS RIGHTS. Such harrowing threats like being called "A Salty Tranny" on 4chan's /vt/ board and 8chan.moe's /vyt/ board. Also notes of they never want a Tranny to join VAllure.
In one stroke of brilliance Valens linked directly to live posts on vTuber centered site The Virtual Asylum, rather than archives. The owner @Sanshain updated those posts with a fun public note for Valens.
Amongst all this seething Valens brought up an article I mentioned earlier - the Fall Guys Butt Plug incident. Valens tries to rewrite history by claiming the buttplug was never in his ass, and was instead pressed against his chest. However, a quick comparison between the articles can show this is horseshit (more on this later!)
Valens's ends the article with an obvious horseshit "I don't WANT Kirsche to be run out of the vTuber Industry" and tries to use the "uwu I'm such a small bean" defense.
"As I mentioned above, I don’t have an innate problem with Kirsche and other VTubers criticizing my work. But when a community is filled with transphobia, and criticism just so happens to line up with a community’s anti-trans bias? When it’s done in a way to reinforce harassment already happening within the community? That’s different. I have no patience for that. Nor should you, if you’re also a victim of this kind of behavior in VTubing.
Why did criticism of my article take on such a loaded political nature? Why did so many right-wingers and VTubers attack my character and usher in a larger conversation on trans peoples’ right to exist in VTubing spaces? Whether it’s Kirsche, Under the Tea, or a bizarrely aggressive right-wing Christian VTuber, these groups are mobilizing their fanbases for more than just criticism. They are using their communities to foster and embrace beliefs like “queer women don’t exist,” trans women aren’t women, and that trans people “only try to invade space they are not welcome in.” Criticism shifted from the article to the person, and from the person to the symbol she represented: Transness, queerness, lesbianism. “Degeneracy.”"
Article #2 immediately starts recounting Rin Penrose talking about dropping her GamerSupps sponsorship again. After that, she goes into once again starts going in on Kirsche - emphasizing her GamerSupps sponsorship, and citing that AI Slop SportsKeeda article as another source on why she's super duper racist. She also cited a handful of Tweets from that NBinted fellow I mentioned earlier, as well as Nyara - another tranny vTuber from Germany who is big into trans'ing kids.
This is mainly because he wished that he had transitioned as a kid. He didn't however, so his voice sounds like the fucking Fish from American Dad.
Have you guys noticed how Kirsche's Rogues Gallery seems to all be trannies? Funny how that's working out for her.(editor's note - @Null - there was a proving grounds thread on this freak located here - https://kiwifarms.st/goto/post?id=20142465 - any idea what happened to it?)
Back to the article. Valens then proceeds to use Rin as a cudgel to try and whip up people to target Kirsche - "Regardless, I suspect Penrose won’t be the last creator to cuts ties with Gamer Supps in the weeks ahead. Penrose is a major creator in the VTubing space, and I suspect her departure will embolden others to voice their displeasure with Gamer Supps’ radio silence on Kirsche’s comments. Or at the very least, they may be utterly alarmed by the kind of vitriol being posted under Penrose’s announcement tweet. The replies, to be blunt, are a dumpster fire."
Valens then starts to equate the typical Internet response of "Kill Yourself" and "Fuck off Progs" to a problem that reflects the whole vTuber Community. He of course never shows any of the Tweets in the opposite direction of telling Kirsche to neck herself because she's a Nazi and everything. Valens continues by quoting this "“Bro look at the comments on this,” a concerned VTuber fan wrote, quotetweeting Penrose. “The VTuber scene has been absolutely infested with right-wing weirdos, actively defending a VTuber that spouts The Great Replacement Theory and is just bigoted from head to toe. What happened [to] the community I loved?”"
With that out of the way, Valens spends most of the rest of the article documenting THE AWFUL BIGOTED HATE he experienced in places for JUST ASKING QUESTIONS and STANDING UP FOR TRANS RIGHTS. Such harrowing threats like being called "A Salty Tranny" on 4chan's /vt/ board and 8chan.moe's /vyt/ board. Also notes of they never want a Tranny to join VAllure.
In one stroke of brilliance Valens linked directly to live posts on vTuber centered site The Virtual Asylum, rather than archives. The owner @Sanshain updated those posts with a fun public note for Valens.
Amongst all this seething Valens brought up an article I mentioned earlier - the Fall Guys Butt Plug incident. Valens tries to rewrite history by claiming the buttplug was never in his ass, and was instead pressed against his chest. However, a quick comparison between the articles can show this is horseshit (more on this later!)
Valens's ends the article with an obvious horseshit "I don't WANT Kirsche to be run out of the vTuber Industry" and tries to use the "uwu I'm such a small bean" defense.
"As I mentioned above, I don’t have an innate problem with Kirsche and other VTubers criticizing my work. But when a community is filled with transphobia, and criticism just so happens to line up with a community’s anti-trans bias? When it’s done in a way to reinforce harassment already happening within the community? That’s different. I have no patience for that. Nor should you, if you’re also a victim of this kind of behavior in VTubing.
Why did criticism of my article take on such a loaded political nature? Why did so many right-wingers and VTubers attack my character and usher in a larger conversation on trans peoples’ right to exist in VTubing spaces? Whether it’s Kirsche, Under the Tea, or a bizarrely aggressive right-wing Christian VTuber, these groups are mobilizing their fanbases for more than just criticism. They are using their communities to foster and embrace beliefs like “queer women don’t exist,” trans women aren’t women, and that trans people “only try to invade space they are not welcome in.” Criticism shifted from the article to the person, and from the person to the symbol she represented: Transness, queerness, lesbianism. “Degeneracy.”"
A Brief Aside on Politics in VTubing
Before we continue, I did want to touch base a bit more on the subject of Politics in VTubing. It's important to note that this phrase "Keep Politics Out Of Vtubing" is invoked often as a means to describe Kirsche and her content. She's a big fan of the above Sam Hyde quote, and so she has made pushing more and more to be unafraid to share her personal views through the years.
"Keeping Politics Out of VTubing" doesn't seem to apply to people who have the CORRECT politics. I want to show a couple of notable examples -
GamerSupps Partner Trickywi -
Tricky posted shortly after the Trump Assassination attempt with the above Tweet. Although she was eventually put on blast for it and walked it back, she seemingly suffered no public consequences for it. She is still actively selling merch with GamerSupps including her own flavor.
Roe v Wade -
When the Roe v Wade decision came out back in 2022, many non-politics vTuber shit up their timeline crying about this. The response from teh crowd of course wasn't "Keep out Politics", it was "YAAAAAAAS KWEEEEEEEEEEEEEN".
Within the realm of vTubing as well, there are two major notable exceptions to the "keep politics out" mantra.
This all despite the fact Kirsche works VERY hard to keep her politics segregated to her own channel. If she collabs with other vTuber, she doesn't bring up politics unless someone else talks about something first. If she raids people, she will outright ban people if they bring up politics in the raid target's channel. Hell, she used to raid prayersfromabigail aka Sister Abigail. Sister Abbi is an ACTUAL LUTHERAN CHRISTIAN VTUBER. She would have legit sermons and spread the word of God on Twitch. And all the money she made from the streams would be donated to mission work. When Kirsche raided Abbi, if you so much as said a swear word and she recognized your name you were banned from her community with no chance of appeal.
But I digress. It's pretty easy to see people were basically petrified to support her publicly. Most of the support she ended up getting came from OUTSIDE first, which in turn allowed support to come from WITHIN the vTuber community.
"Keeping Politics Out of VTubing" doesn't seem to apply to people who have the CORRECT politics. I want to show a couple of notable examples -
GamerSupps Partner Trickywi -
Tricky posted shortly after the Trump Assassination attempt with the above Tweet. Although she was eventually put on blast for it and walked it back, she seemingly suffered no public consequences for it. She is still actively selling merch with GamerSupps including her own flavor.
Roe v Wade -
When the Roe v Wade decision came out back in 2022, many non-politics vTuber shit up their timeline crying about this. The response from teh crowd of course wasn't "Keep out Politics", it was "YAAAAAAAS KWEEEEEEEEEEEEEN".
Within the realm of vTubing as well, there are two major notable exceptions to the "keep politics out" mantra.
- NijisanjiEN - Nijisanji is the second largest vTuber corporation in the world. Their EN lineup is completely unabashadly progressive. The have gay people, they/thems, and they are not afraid to voice their opinions. As a special note, the previous Twitter Harasser "Bint" originated as what is colloquially known as a "NijiSister" - AKA a diehard Niji fan. Sisters defend Nijisanji them to the through all the worst Corporate actions they took - up to AND INCLUDING causing the working conditions for a talent to be so bad she attempted suicide TWICE.
- Midrange or smaller vTubers - Although the larger Indie vTubers largely keep their mouths shut, there is a layer of popularity (typically 1-2k viewers or below) where prog politics are fully supported. They may not talk about it all the time, but the aura of rot is there. You won't find a vTuber equivilent of Hasan, but you'll find tons of commies the smaller and smaller you go in the Indie scene,
This all despite the fact Kirsche works VERY hard to keep her politics segregated to her own channel. If she collabs with other vTuber, she doesn't bring up politics unless someone else talks about something first. If she raids people, she will outright ban people if they bring up politics in the raid target's channel. Hell, she used to raid prayersfromabigail aka Sister Abigail. Sister Abbi is an ACTUAL LUTHERAN CHRISTIAN VTUBER. She would have legit sermons and spread the word of God on Twitch. And all the money she made from the streams would be donated to mission work. When Kirsche raided Abbi, if you so much as said a swear word and she recognized your name you were banned from her community with no chance of appeal.
But I digress. It's pretty easy to see people were basically petrified to support her publicly. Most of the support she ended up getting came from OUTSIDE first, which in turn allowed support to come from WITHIN the vTuber community.
Kirsche Stream - 5/9/2025
Note - This stream marks the start of Kirsche's fullcourt press to start fighting back against Valens. Until this point Kirsche had kinda half fought back, half tried to ignore. However from this point forward she went full aggro. The next few streams also saw significantly higher than normal CCV. Her recent average before this weekend was about 3k CCV. On every stream this weekend she had about 5k CCV.
The stream starts and it's easy to see at this point Kirsche is obviously pissed off. She begins the stream talking about the fact she's been targeted for the last month by a non-stop life ruination campaign. She touches base on the Rin Penrose drama by noting she wished people would give her the same benefit of the doubt that these idiots seem to be affording Valens. She also jumps on the people obviously virtue signal farming off her controversy. Kirsche also shares the story about how - in the past - she was slated to receive management on the sly from the same company Rin was part of (Idol Corp) but hesitated because she didn't want her image to affect the talents there (something Kirsche had mentioned in the past but brought up again this stream).
She spent the first part of the stream addressing another drama I didn't mention - and won't go into more than these paragraph (because it's way too fucking autistic for this already autistic effortpost) - Synthetic Man's audience calling her a BBC loving secret Jew. She brought this up because Synth's audience had been attacking her this way for 3 months since Kirsche had presented a "Best Husbando" award on the show. The Side Scrollers audience voted award went to Barret Wallace from Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth. For the last 3 months Kirsche has been trying to figure out why the fuck this was going on and in the background came to an understanding with Synth behind the scenese. The night before on the 8th, Kirsche showed up at Synthetic Man's stream, and he made her a mod so he could see her messages easier. An hour after this, previously noted e-Stalker NBinted was posting a flurry to try and make Kirsche look bad again.
Kirsche had caught the moron live rage tweeting about her and actually baited him to look like a moron, luckily.
So got him to prove he does no research and just rage tweets out anything about Kirsche to make her look as bad as possible. So anyways, Kirsche talked a bit about how that drama was resolved and of course had to talk about the rediculousness of Bint mentioning these things. But of course the vTweeters had already used this as proof positive Kirsche was a double secret Nazi.
After talking about that drama, Kirsche went on to react to the Asmongold video about her. Using the segment talking about "Accountability for Coward Companies" as a springboard, Kirsche revealed that she had been removed from her affiliation with Crime Boss. She shared the information I had noted earlier, and even reveal there were active plans to add her as a playable character complete with full voice lines to the game. It was even planned to be matched with Kirsche having a new vTuber model that matched her in game appearence. vTuber models regularly cost multiple thousands of dollars each, with the highest quality ones being 15k-20k because of the sheer amount of work needed and the specialty art/rigging knowledge needed. So this was quite a commitment on Kirsche's part. She never shared the full reference sheet publicly, but a brief flash on screen was shown months ago and this fanart had been made. I present this so you have a rough idea of what might have been.
This obviously was completely scrapped and INGAME walked back their relationship without revealing anything publicly. Kirsche's community was largely upset because an exceptional amount of them had purchased and played the game as a Community game both with other fans and with Kirsche herself. Kirsche urged people that if they disagreed with their move to change their review of Crime Boss to a Negative rating and leave polite and reasonable explanation of what they want. Kirsche noted to only do that if they wanted to, and also emphasized to not go wild in the comments because people like Valens would just use that as ammunition.
The whole "Negatively Reviewing" Crime Boss drama would be spread across the whole weekend, but I'll sum up at least the information about the game reviews specifically here. Crime Boss already suffered from "Mixed" reviews on Steam. However, Kirsche's community tanked those scores. Here's a picture of how things were looking early Sunday morning.
And it wasn't just people who bought the game and left reviews after a short period of time. There were people with tons of hours on their account leaving reviews. Here's a small sample to show this is the case.
After Kirsche talked about Crime Boss, she went back to live react to the VOD from that day's Asmongold Stream as Asmon had covered Ana Valens. Although Asmongold's Team didn't turn it into a video, the clip of it was shared around in other places -
Key things Asmon touched on the video -
- Showed the above article with numerous quotes telling Ana YWNBAW and KYS
- Looks up Valens' article history on Vice which at this point is riddled with nonstop talk of fetish porn anime games including Futa and Vore. Asmongold says he understands why people told Valens to neck himself
- Calls Valens an example of the Mental Health crisis in American that no one wants to talk about. Says he should be locked up in some kind of facility
- Says he cannot wait for publications like Vice to start dying due to people like Valens
Kirsche used this as a jumping point to once again touch cover this tweet.
Showing how time after time this last month the Trans activits targeting her have lied, slandered, and tried to overall ruin her life. During this time, it became known the devs were banning Steam Forum threads in support of Kirsche. One fan caught a thread and screenshotted it before it was nuked.
The Devs of course left the threads made by people who are Kirsche harassers I haven't directly named here, as well as threads praising them for "standing up to racists and transphobes." Kirsche commented on the vTweeters taking a victory lap as news of Kirsche being dropped spread far and wide, as well noticing these people were saying they would buy Crime Boss now. The rest of the stream was rather lowkey, and not much more of note. It was at this point though that public sentiment largely started shifting into Kirsche's favor because of the Crime Boss incident.
In fact, support was so large Kirsche ended up being the second biggest superchat receiver in the USA that day.
This isn't even including all revenue from the Twitch's end as well as her seperate "StreamElements" donation link. Looking much better than Rin's $20, primarily because Kirsche's demographics for her audience are largely 25-35 year old working men.
Kirsche Stream - 5/10/2025
Overnight the vTweeter retard army pulled out a common response to Kirsche's community leaving bad reviews. "THIS is Cancel Culture, I thought you guys HATED Cancel Culture". In particular, a vTuber Clipper named Keniisu drew Kirsche's attention. Kirsche would directly retweet the little shit but he had her blocked.
Kirsche started her stream by putting this ignorant shit on blast as an example of the DARVO tactics they've been employing. As she writes, she was just fine existing until Valens alerted the horde and whipped them into a frenzy to get her banned. It was espeically thorny because Kenii is a clipper for Pipkin Pippa, an actual friend of Kirsche. Badmouthing her employers friend spublicly isn't a good look. And wasn't just Kirsche, Keniisu was getting absolutely cooked in the replies to his tweet. He had been retweeting Bint and Valens on main, and had a history of retweeting Kirsche hate in the past. Keniisu would eventually limp dicked walk this all back in an effort to save face because he is a clipper in the community and didn't want the bad publicity, but it was already too late. He lost at least one credit in his profile likely showing someone fired him from his clipping role for his.
As Kirsche was covering some minor news and talking more about the Crime Boss situation, Asmongold once again covered Kirsche. This time the Crime Boss fiasco. And - as luck would have it - he focused more on Valens. Although the talk was a bit longer than shown in the video, it got clipped down to this on his smaller video clip channel.
The highlight is Asmongold playing for everyone the full "Cis-woman Breeding Facilty" voice recording. Sixty-thousand viewers. Chat is visibly disgusted. That clip alone is making rounds everywhere to exemplify how much of a degenerate Valens is.
Kirsche then talked a little bit about a second partner that dropped her, a small unnamed arms manufacturer that she was going to partner with to make a custom Kirsche 1911 and matching grips. The person just dropped the partnership and simply said "I want no part in drama, I'm a small business." Kirsche and Chat were very confused, because they seemingly dropped the project due to the cancel campaign from people who LIKELY WOULD NEVER BUY GUNS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Kirsche also revealed though that she and her manager had secured ANOTHER gun manufaturer, so Kirsche guns will still be coming in the future.
The rest of the stream was a lot of general chatter around what was going on, and just back and forth chat about how Kirsche exists in the vTuber sphere and cancel culture in general. The stream ended relatively lowkey however support for Kirsche continued to pour in. She ended the day the #1 superchatted person in the USA.
An Aside on Valens Mentals at This Point
[A]As noted above, this is right about when public perception really started shifting Kirsche's way. It's also when Valens attitude seemingly changed. Until now he seemed content to post "I'm just asking questions" style journo bullshit while quoting his articles, or retweeting people constantly about reaching out to GamerSupps to drop Kirsche as a sponsor. Bint would essentially act as a hatchet man for Valens as the worst tweets that were being spread were either coming from or amplified by Bint. And Valens would retweet Bint and vice versa.
At this point however, Valens started actively commenting on stuff that would happen from Kirsche and others streams. First up was Asmongold here. He responded to it within a few hours of the moment happening on stream. He would act annoyed at people questioning the Fall Guys story. And he would start actively making concern posts that would typically be posted by someone other than Valens.
Not only that, but Bint started getting more despirate. Earlier at the start TVA had recorded him at posting 100 Twitter Posts a day, the majority of them about Kirsche. At this point however, he was exceeding 150 posts a day and the pace kept increasing. He started deep diving through Kirsche's VOD archives trying to find more and more clips to use out of context against Kirsche.
At this point however, Valens started actively commenting on stuff that would happen from Kirsche and others streams. First up was Asmongold here. He responded to it within a few hours of the moment happening on stream. He would act annoyed at people questioning the Fall Guys story. And he would start actively making concern posts that would typically be posted by someone other than Valens.
Not only that, but Bint started getting more despirate. Earlier at the start TVA had recorded him at posting 100 Twitter Posts a day, the majority of them about Kirsche. At this point however, he was exceeding 150 posts a day and the pace kept increasing. He started deep diving through Kirsche's VOD archives trying to find more and more clips to use out of context against Kirsche.
Kirsche Stream - 5/11/2025
And people were absolutely clowning on them throwing the whole "Modern Audience" trope at INGAME. Steam Forum Posts from people who didn't purchase Crime Boss but were praising the game would be screenshotted and pointed out on social media and other places. A handful of these people were actually shamed into buying the game, but posts like the above from Nyara were commonplace. Grummz and others had seen it by this point and were signal boosting Crime Boss' decision for dropping Kirsche.
On top of that, the nickname "Anal Violence" had spread in Kirsche's community and would be cemented when one fan made an AI song that Kirsche played on stream.
(if you read this on stream Null, play this. It's a bop)
Needless to say the clowning on Valens really started kicking into overdrive. Asmongold's video watching the Breeding Facility clip caused that clip of Valens to start getting spread far and wide on Twitter. More and more people were realizing who exactly it was trying to cancel Kirsche and were not happy about the moral crusading this obvious degenerate was doing.
Kirsche ended her weekend streams by once again being one of the top Super Chatted streams in the USA, this time ending up at 4th place.
Nikatine Interview with Valens - Night 5/11/2025
After Kirsche's stream Ana Valens would go onto Twitch to be interviewed by a tiny streamer named Nikatine. That stream was noting but softball questions and was overall a massive dicksucking session and just let Valens regurgitate about his Crusade on the naughty fans of vTubers. Valens was a little too loose lipped however and revealed a bunch of information that Kirsche would end up seeing and signal boosting.
- When the show actually started talking about the articles Valens wrote, they spent the first 3 minutes talking about Gamersupps before Kirsche's name is even mentioned.
- Made it really obvious that Valens views Kirsche as an enemy to defeat rather than someone to write about. He talked repeatedlly about how his personal thoughts were divergent about what he wrote. He admitted outright whatever neutrallity he wrote in the article was just a facade and he 100% believed Kirsche was some turbo-alt right Nazi that was being allowed to run rampant
- Ranted for a while about Kirsche using the term "autogynophile" and how it was "Not 101 level transphobia". Also got upset at Kirsche brining up his KiwiFarms thread on air and "showing his dead name".
- Referred to Kirsche's artice as "The GamerSupps Article" towards the end of the interview
- Also talked about reaching out to other journalists to get more eyeballs on this story and spread the word
Article#3 - Waypoint Stands with Ana Valens
[A]The third article was actually put out by Waypoint's Managing Editor at the time, Dwayne Jenkins. In it he tries to elevate Valens to sainthood. He showcases the "abuse" thrown Valens way and types "Ana is being attacked for simply asking questions about certain areas of the VTubing community — which she’s an active part of." He proceeded to show off some examples of the "Hate" Velans was getting.
Now that last photo is obviously not Kirsche. That's another vTuber - Leaflit - who they're showcasing. Leaflit is another openly right leaning vTuber. Although she doesn't talk her politics nearly as much as Kirsche, it's a known thing. That thumbnail is from a video that Leaflit reacted to. The OG thumbnail was from the Youtuber's video, it just has Leaflit slapped on top of it.
Also of note is that tweet RE: Sam Hyde wasn't even from this incident. It was directed at Asmongold back in February. So just throwing everything at the wall.
Dwayne then proceeds to reveal the whole plan. "So, here’s the deal. Ana’s ongoing plight has reached critical mass. The people advocating for Ana, anyone belonging to the LGBTQIA+ communities, and any other marginalized groups, to endlessly suffer? That’s only one part of a truly disgusting equation. The other — equally important — part is: Why are clear, unambiguous bigots and racists allowed major platforms? Why are they given sponsorships and brand deals?"
He all but lays out a GamerGate inspired purge of the vTuber fandom. He ends the article with the following segment so you can see his emphasis that he himself wrote.
Now that last photo is obviously not Kirsche. That's another vTuber - Leaflit - who they're showcasing. Leaflit is another openly right leaning vTuber. Although she doesn't talk her politics nearly as much as Kirsche, it's a known thing. That thumbnail is from a video that Leaflit reacted to. The OG thumbnail was from the Youtuber's video, it just has Leaflit slapped on top of it.
Also of note is that tweet RE: Sam Hyde wasn't even from this incident. It was directed at Asmongold back in February. So just throwing everything at the wall.
Dwayne then proceeds to reveal the whole plan. "So, here’s the deal. Ana’s ongoing plight has reached critical mass. The people advocating for Ana, anyone belonging to the LGBTQIA+ communities, and any other marginalized groups, to endlessly suffer? That’s only one part of a truly disgusting equation. The other — equally important — part is: Why are clear, unambiguous bigots and racists allowed major platforms? Why are they given sponsorships and brand deals?"
He all but lays out a GamerGate inspired purge of the vTuber fandom. He ends the article with the following segment so you can see his emphasis that he himself wrote.
Night 5/12/2025 until Kirsche Stream 5/13
[A]So a bunch of stuff happened between Article 3 dropping and Kirsche's Tuesday stream. It's necessary to use this as setup because Kirsche's stream marks the start of a 24 hours of non-stop shit exploding in Valens face.
Valens posting Habits - Immediately after article 3 went live started Valens tried to signal boost people to reach out to other journalistic outlets to spread the news "of his harassment"
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Public Response to Article 3 - as I noted above, the managing editor all but called for the purge of the vTuber fandom. This plus the inclusion fo the Leaflit screenshot without mentioning Leaflit herself started shifting public perception that this entire ordeal was purely a means to get rid of the icky transphobes and racists from the new hobby they were trying to infiltrate. And Valens was obviously trying to be propped up as the definitive vTuber reporter.
Kirsche's Antics Overnight - Kirsche had three Tweets of note from this period leading to her Tuesday stream.
Valens posting Habits - Immediately after article 3 went live started Valens tried to signal boost people to reach out to other journalistic outlets to spread the news "of his harassment"
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Public Response to Article 3 - as I noted above, the managing editor all but called for the purge of the vTuber fandom. This plus the inclusion fo the Leaflit screenshot without mentioning Leaflit herself started shifting public perception that this entire ordeal was purely a means to get rid of the icky transphobes and racists from the new hobby they were trying to infiltrate. And Valens was obviously trying to be propped up as the definitive vTuber reporter.
Kirsche's Antics Overnight - Kirsche had three Tweets of note from this period leading to her Tuesday stream.
- First was actually a tweet from 5/11, but I want to group it here because it deals with the tactics of her harassers. The Twitter account Dead Domain is another person who has been harassing Kirsche in the past. Dead Domain had compiled a whole bunch of clips of Kirsche and strung them together into a 10 minute autism fest of no context whatsover. Kirsche used that to her advantage and showcased how one such clip was taken totally out of context.
Kirsche's edited video here:
And Dead Domain's OG clip compilation here:
- The second Tweet was on the night of 5/12. Kirsche compiled the previous Tweets Valens had made about Rima and Elara from last month, as well as clips from the Nikatine interview. In it, she argued that Valens was intent on getting a story out to cause GamerSupps reputational damage, it didn't matter who the target was. And that Kirsche had inadvertantly made herself the target after she made that stream on the VAllure piece.
- The next day, Kirsche retweeted a black vTuber showing off their racist message directed at her and celebrating the cancel mob against Kirsche.
The vTweeters and Ana would imply that Kirsche was intentionally attacking black creaters and abusing her platform. All the usual shit.
This vTuber actually ended up shortly thereafter posting she got dropped by her sponsor ADVANCED.GG, a competing product to GamerSupps. They, unshockingly, would use thsi against Kirsche.
The Great 24 Hours of Tranny Felting
Okay, now. This was all setup to this final 24 hours from Mid-day Tuesday 5/13 until Mid-day Wednesday 5/14. It's a lot to cover, so bear with me.
Kirsche Stream - 5/13/2025
First she shows up a video from a YouTuber named BigMicahC who claims to have worked for SportsKeeda in the past. In the video he talks about how he was having to fight back younger journalists who wanted to use the platform to moralize instead of reporting. He ends the video by showing the inconsistencies in the article and calling for the termination of the "Reporter" and the editor who approved the article (which, let's face it is probably AI. But the sentiment is nice).
She then brings up a follow-up tweet from Keniisu earlier - this of him attempting to walk back his targeting of Kirsche.
She pointed out how this guy is typical for these kinds of cancel mobs. More than happy to throw stones from the crowd, but the second they are dragged into the light they scatter like roachs. She in particular calls him out as this behavior seemed two-faced due to him posting a follow-up screenshot which shows a DM from Valens himself. And not only did Keniisu approve the message, he took the time to blur out common followers.
Kirsche then proceeds to read a ChatGPT analysis someone had made and posted on Twitter. In it, they asked ChatGPT to analyze Valens online presence and make a critical analysis. The document alleges that Valens is a sex-obessessed activist who uses their identity as a shield and hates women. (big shock) (document attached to post)
Next up, she then pulls up a Tweet from Valens complaining about "abusive usernames" in his Twitch chat. Kirsche mocks him for absolutely mild they are and essentially calls him a bitch if this is the worst he's been getting.
Asmongold had at this point touched a bit more on the subject so a brief clip was provided to Kirsche. He had seen more from Kirsche's harassers, and can be summed up quite well with this clip.
Kirsche would then proceed to bring up the tweet - once more - about graphic murder and rape fantasies. And put it all on blast by pulling up Valens' A03 Fanfiction account on stream, which included such tags as "Rape", "Incest", "Feminization", and "Futanari.
She would proceed to OPEN said stories and read the smut on air for all to hear. Choice lines were read. Chat cringed. It was wonderful.
Now, brief aside on two things up to this point in the stream. First, you have to understand. This shit she's covered until now is a TYPICAL Kirsche stream. She's shown off all this kinds of stuff - including the bad fanfiction - on stream before. She is 100% in her element and just enjoying life.
Second, Valens has taken notice of Kirsche putting this all on blast and tried to play the "Woe is me" card.
Valens would continue to tweet throughout the stream upset at the things Kirsche would show on stream.
Next on the stream docket was going over the article from the previous day. In it, Kirsche used that document plus Valens old tweets to demonstrate on stream how they wanted to get rid of swathes of vTuber fans with wrongthink. Even memed on him for Tweeting out "VtuberGate"
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whatsupwthat
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Should note, that the "Waypoint stands with Ana Valens" article was edited shortly after release, suspected faked screenshot.
May 12th article
May 13th article
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Sunflower Samurai
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I think here he wasnt just told he was rejected, but just that they wanted female passing voices, he also got outraged because VAllure's "leader" said they wouldnt do F4F (female speaker for female listener) content, something that Valens tried smugging over, F4F works in the erotic ASMR/Audio communities get pennies compared to male focused work, which VAllure was focusing on.
The article with the 8chan and 4chan screenshots actually was about Phil attempting to paint those posts as hardcore fans of VAllure, calling him a tranny, not attributing them to Kirsche necessarily, he also mentioned the splinter vtuber forum extensively, even outright linking posts calling him a tranny
everything else seems to be accurate, good post
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Synth on suicide watch.
Also worth noting, if just for the funny factor, all of the people who cancelled deals with Gamersupps publicly either didn't make enough money for Gamersupps for them to even warrant getting their own merch (Unlike Kirsche, who has several pieces of merch with Gamersupps.), or had already separated with Gamersupps prior and just publicized the fact for brownie points.
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they started by editting out the pictures but realized the substance of the article loses meaning without them. there was a process and then a realization.
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Okay, that was me acting on a screencap that doesn't line up with the timeline.
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Judging by Bint's pfp i think this could've been from back when VAllure was first accepting applications, he had this PFP of a creator known as Mint Fantome, and to spare you some retarded vtubing drama backstory, he was bullied into no longer supporting her publicly because he kept attacking a good friend of Mint, and people told him to kill himself because of that (and to not be a hypocrite by using the pfp)
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New hitpiece is out. This time by some jeet called Shubham Kumar writing for Stealth Optional.
I confess I read his name as Subhuman Kumar first.
I confess I read his name as Subhuman Kumar first.
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