💰 Grifter Kino Casino - Read Kiwifarms with abortionist A-a-andy Warski and lardy PPP. A lolcow drama show. 2/28/2019, never forget.

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Rick Nekieta powiedział(a):
Added in yet another edit: I do recall them verbally saying they paid Flaked a grand a month at one point. This may or may not be current. If Flake's cut is only 12K, that increases A and A's respective earnings by 4K.
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A grand a month or a 3rd of the clips channel earning, which ever is higher, to my recollection.
Rick Nekieta powiedział(a):
Obviously one or both of these are an order of magnitude off. Which is the more credible frame of reference? Or are both incredibly faulty mechanisms and a better frame of reference is needed? I killed a 45 minute effort post because of this contradiction.
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Both are incredibly faulty as YT earnings are done per watch minute which is greatly dependent on video length, and pay out rates also vary greatly per video due to what ads they can and cant run on certain videos, and the only true and accurate metric is creator dashboard that only channel owner has access to. But do expect their earning to be on the much greater side as they do get that 1st world ad money rate, and most of their clips are like an hour+ and all of the most popular stuff is like 2+, 3+ hours, which results in a lot more watch minutes then your average video.

Edit: The first one seems to be more accurate.

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This is a screen cap from farming slop i like to watch, and in the end of the vid he goes over his yearly earning, part of which is YT, and a big part of which is his previous years 2 hour long recap which got 7 mil views. So you divide that ~102k with 70, you get ~1.46k per 100k views, which is on par with your first image. Granted this is slop and Sektur™ viewers probably have longer attention spans and higher viewer retention, so my uneducated guess would be around 1,7k to 2k per view on tard a lards most popular stuff. Maybe even close to 2.5k on stuff that's over 3 and a half hours.
 
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Rick Nekieta powiedział(a):
Added in second edit: It appears that doubling or tripling the social blade is more accurate for a first world country, as the worldwide stats are based on the fact that a third world channel gets a lot less dollahs per view, as their ads do not reach those with deep pockets. I'll use 2.5X social blade estimate as a decent estimator for now. It bears noting that this is BEFORE YT's 30% cut and whatever taxes they pay. Based on this, I guesstimate the channel nets just shy of 60K/yr before taxes, after YT cut, which is just shy of 20K per person. 20K for flaked, 20K for A and A. Add this to the estimated 40K from Kick, we have roughly 60K + gumroad earnings + superchat earnings - taxes.
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Oeselian Chad powiedział(a):
But do expect their earning to be on the much greater side as they do get that 1st world ad money rate, and most of their clips are like an hour+ and all of the most popular stuff is like 2+, 3+ hours, which results in a lot more watch minutes then your average video.
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This is a wildly optimistic view of YouTube ad revenue. Also, you can't multiply the views by length to get watch time as most views will be for a tiny fraction of the overall length of the video.

Oeselian Chad powiedział(a):
A grand a month or a 3rd of the clips channel earning, which ever is higher, to my recollection.
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Then he's getting somewhere close to $1,000, if not exactly $1,000.
 
Between Balldo's input and Oeseilian's input, we now have (keep in mind, this is an upper bound analysis with every variable estimated in their maximum favor, I am STEELmanning their position) about 52K + superchats (superchats are low revenue by any estimation since the sub model.) + gumroad revenue (this can not be guesstimated or estimated). Ashton once claimed 1000 gumroad customers, but I reject this on the strongest of terms, as they barely hit 1000 live organic viewers on their free streams and most of them have their subscriptions by way of paypig. But, on the other hand, there is no upper bound on what a single paypig can shove into Ashton's snout. I have NO basis to launch any educated guesses to gumroad revenue. I am finalizing my guesstimation at 57K + gumroad revenue - taxes per person per year. This said, their metrics are tanking on all platforms and the decay is present.
 
Andy's background pixel art screen thing annoys the shit out of me. The loop is so short it doesn't even go around twice before doing the zoom out thing. This is the worst thing Andy Warski has ever done.
 
If the editor flakes out, that could spell trouble for the casino.

Much of their success came from the clip channel. Provided that they pay the editor decently (they don’t), I foresee a potential snakening happening in this front.

Besides that, Andy Warski fucking sucks. Ashton’s a fat lying grifter but at least on that DSP show he’s listenable when his cohost’s more intelligent. Maybe that’s why I miss the old days of pre-Casino PPP, because when he had live shows they had an aura of intelligence but also fun energy to them.

Hate on the fatass all you want, but admit that he’s funny when he has the right people around him. Tardski isn’t it.
 
Cyberpunk Meta powiedział(a):
If the editor flakes out, that could spell trouble for the casino.

Much of their success came from the clip channel. Provided that they pay the editor decently (they don’t), I foresee a potential snakening happening in this front.
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I think the clip channel has had a part in their success but the primary reason for the success of the clip channel was the fact that Nick Rekieta fell off the rails for 2 years and over a year into that Metokur Masochist apparently allowed KC to start covering Rekieta.

Before the cokestream their Rekieta coverage was obviously only done because Elissa was doing all their clipping for them and the Rekieta segments were lazy "Donate X subs to end this boring Rekieta segment early". Then the Cokestream happened.

Here's a graph of the subscribers gained each week for the clip channel. I'm not going to mark when Rekieta got arrested on this graph, I'm pretty sure it's possible to guess even if you didn't know when it was.

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They squandered the Rekieta bump entirely. According to their view counts they still get more viewers than they used to get (3k, which is still half of what they were getting during the Rekieta bump) but from my casual viewing their view count tends to hover around 3k so often that I'm starting to get a little suspicious.

Cyberpunk Meta powiedział(a):
Besides that, Andy Warski fucking sucks. Ashton’s a fat lying grifter but at least on that DSP show he’s listenable when his cohost’s more intelligent. Maybe that’s why I miss the old days of pre-Casino PPP, because when he had live shows they had an aura of intelligence but also fun energy to them.

Hate on the fatass all you want, but admit that he’s funny when he has the right people around him. Tardski isn’t it.
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It wouldn't surprise me if PPP tries to replace Warski with DSP. There's a reason Keemstar put $50,000 on the table for DSP to join Lolcow Live. A show that covers Internet drama with someone like DSP on it, to say "EVEN DSP IS LAUGHING AT THIS GUY!" is great content. From his brief appearances on KC he already showd more promise as a co-host than Warski who brings basically nothing to the table except as a foil to laugh at.
 
Balldo's Gate powiedział(a):
It wouldn't surprise me if PPP tries to replace Warski with DSP. There's a reason Keemstar put $50,000 on the table for DSP to join Lolcow Live. A show that covers Internet drama with someone like DSP on it, to say "EVEN DSP IS LAUGHING AT THIS GUY!" is great content. From his brief appearances on KC he already showd more promise as a co-host than Warski who brings basically nothing to the table except as a foil to laugh at.
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Also most importantly DSP didn't LIVESTREAM CP LIKE ANDY WARSKI DID ON 2/28/2019
 
Red flaming panda powiedział(a):
Sorry, I didn't hear you. Can you repeat that. Andy did what now?
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ANDY WARSKI LIVESTREAMED CP ON 2/28/2019

Now that that's out of the way, Ashton's situation is just terrible. He is chained to fucking Tardski in order to be able to not starve to death in the frozen cabin. Holy shit man that's a fate worse than death. Imagine that you wake up, eat potato chips and you have to livestream with Tardski. I'd sooner fucking end myself. It's so much more preferable than pedoshielding metokur masochist and your own cohost.
 
Cyberpunk Meta powiedział(a):
Exactly. The whole point of the kino casino is to have two greedy funny retards laugh at other retards on the Internet. DSP might be a fence sitter but tip him over a bit and he unveils his real form. PPP’s already got that wrestlemania energy in him, and given the fact that they’re both WWE fans, it would be funny if they did host a show together.

Reminder: when the Casino started a whole three years ago (January 2022, their anniversary was two days ago), Warski still had that “e celeb” residue in him, albeit a faded one as he was streaming to nobodies. He was always just the tech guy originally, but ended up taking control of the show through his paypig cabal.

PPP, I theorize is too greedy to let this grift go, and his poor handling of things two months ago shows. Being beholden to paypig scum is the worst thing a streamer can entangle themselves to. The content is not organic. It’s not creative. It’s a dry spell and it’s fucking garbage, to be frank. The fatass knows this but he needs the money man, so his fatass won’t freeze to death in the Canadian tundra.
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One thing that got lost in the shuffle of the "don't be a hero stream" (PPP/Surfer breakup) of 9/14/21 is that the final straw that led to Ashton's chimpout was when Surfer called for a chat poll (1 for Ashton's speech, 2 for Surfer's antics) and the chat was overwhelmingly 2s. Admittedly, I did not watch any of the pre-Casino PPP streams in real time and I've imbibed a few key ones only very recently. Ashton loves to display his oratory skills. The audience loves his orations, but just not to exclusion, and they will always take some schizo antics over a speech in real time. This IS a sektur audience after all. Ashton recently referred to Mama JF as "a spoonful of sugar that helps make swallowing the medicine easier" (slight paraphrase, not a direct quote) and this was a sneak dis on Warski, likening Warski to his own MamaJF. Even at the Casino, especially given the infantile nature of their paypigs, lowbrow and low IQ antics trump his orations in terms of audience preferences. This was especially evident in the complete disinterest in the Percip stream in his second failed coup back in '22, in the wake of BoxedWineGate. Ashton does not generate large donos or enrapture the with his orations alone. The Casino audience specifically and I DON'T just mean the paypigs (although they personify this to an even greater degree) grow bored of simply orations, no matter how much Tardski gets the majority of the flak for his howler monkey antics. Ashton HATES it when low IQ bullshit takes preference over his orations and this stings double when the audience either vocally requests him or interrupt his orations with paypig donos that DEMAND an IMMEDIATE shoutout. Whether it is Surfer or Tardski, Ashton needs a tard to make his schtick work and he gets visibly pissy when the dumb shit overwhelms the orations. To be fair, a lot of the audience is with him on this. He loathes being a walrus on a string, as evidenced that that is HIS SELF-CHARACTERIZATION, not ripped from the Farms.

Second, my memory must be severely faulty because I swear in the early Youtube days, Tardski would have something in the way of orations himself and there was more of a dialogue than would follow in the wake of BoxedWineGate and Andy's ostensible sobriety (or at least on air sobriety). My review of classic clips from the Youtube era seems to bely my memory though, as even the comments at that time were critical of Andy's howler monkey antics. I swear Andy had more speaking lines in the early days and Ashton seemed to take in what he said, until after the Boxed Wine Stream when his interjections were just dismissed and the rant would continue. I think Andy had more confidence to vocalize his takes when he was as high as a kite and the Boxed Wine Stream took this out of the show. I have no idea if the clips are just selectively chosen to edit his contributions out or if my memory fails. I know Ashton always saw him as an OBS monkey and a rolodex manager.

Finally, I saw over 2 hours of last nights show and the donos were shit to that point. Did that sustain or was there an 11th hour surprise?
 
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