James O'Keefe III vs Twitter (2021)

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All this lawsuit effects if James. CNN has fuck you money despite being a dieing media organization. Twitter has fuck you money and is one of the most popular sites despite people trying and failing to create a alternative because no one cares. The only good thing for James is publicity being good but his boomer fans love him for "exposing" political drama that doesn't effect anything because spoiler alert your vote doesn't matter and the vote is always rigged and that is why 2016 was a shock.
 
They are being subsidised by other more profitable arms of multi-corps. They do not have to break even themselves. They will NOT go bankrupt.
Most of these megalithic corporate octopus entities have some money losing entities in them. They allow them to shift around the tax burden and basically avoid paying any taxes at all, and meanwhile at least the media outlets can lose money endlessly. The other parts of the octopus make money out of the propaganda, even if the actual fake news is losing money on paper.

So you have these media monopoly fake news outlets owned by the same people who own military contractors and somehow the fake news can't yell rah-rah loud enough to support any goddamn optional war that benefits Americans absolutely not at all. . .but it benefits fucking Raytheon or whoever. They used to talk about the military-industrial complex but now it's really the military-industrial-media complex.

They'll pose and virtue signal about troons or whatever dumb bullshit is the cause du jour but then cheerlead anything that possibly means another few trillion for military contractors. Oh, but "muh representation" in some idiotic capeshit movie is what the so-called left cares about (which is always superficial so they can just remove it for the chinks without really hurting the plot).
 
Project Veritas has just gotten a Huge win. The prior restraint on the New York Times publishing anything related to what was seized in the FBI raid has been upheld, and even more importantly the court has ordered the Times to return everything it has to Veritas and to destroy all copies. If the originals cannot be returned for whatever reason the Times must also destroy those too.

Further, the court has ordered that all information the the times has obtained from the FBI raid is barred and cannot be used in any defense motion to which Veritas is a Plaintiff against the times.

Finally the Court orders the Time Company to submit an affidavit to the court within 10 days where they assert under penalty of perjury the order has been carried.

This is what the kids call "extraordinary remedies". Judge is big mad and he wrote 26 pages explaining just how mad he is.

@Null this is a big one. O'Keefe just landed a kill shot, provided the appellate division upholds it.
 

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Project Veritas has just gotten a Huge win. The prior restraint on the New York Times publishing anything related to what was seized in the FBI raid has been upheld, and even more importantly the court has ordered the Times to return everything it has to Veritas and to destroy all copies. If the originals cannot be returned for whatever reason the Times must also destroy those too.

Further, the court has ordered that all information the the times has obtained from the FBI raid is barred and cannot be used in any defense motion to which Veritas is a Plaintiff against the times.

Finally the Court orders the Time Company to submit an affidavit to the court within 10 days where they assert under penalty of perjury the order has been carried.

This is what the kids call "extraordinary remedies". Judge is big mad and he wrote 26 pages explaining just how mad he is.

@Null this is a big one. O'Keefe just landed a kill shot, provided the appellate division upholds it.
What the FBI was trying to do via the NYT is what you call "parallel construction." It involves allowing a third party with apparent insulation from the investigators such as a news organization or an uninvolved law enforcement agency to release information gathered by the first party (in this case the FBI) unlawfully which the first party then launders into the courtroom as apparently independent evidence. This allows them to do an end-run around the court's jurisdiction and US search and seizure laws.

Judges generally don't like when you try and erode their authority like that.
 
What the FBI was trying to do via the NYT is what you call "parallel construction." It involves allowing a third party with apparent insulation from the investigators such as a news organization or an uninvolved law enforcement agency to release information gathered by the first party (in this case the FBI) unlawfully which the first party then launders into the courtroom as apparently independent evidence. This allows them to do an end-run around the court's jurisdiction and US search and seizure laws.

Judges generally don't like when you try and erode their authority like that.
They didn't think it through though as Veritas was already in a lawsuit with the times. A lawsuit which the Times was actively participating in. That changes the game big time. The 1st Amendment does not protect you from using illegally obtained attorney client documents. It's using a violation of the 4th Amendment to Violate the 6th Amendment, and then of they were to use that stuff against an opposing party in the case that would be a 14th Amendment violation.

It was absolute hubris on the New York Times part to do this. They are squealing right now about how the court is threatening the free press, but their flagrant abuse of process is what caused that threat. The court is just pointing it out.
 
It was absolute hubris on the New York Times part to do this. They are squealing right now about how the court is threatening the free press, but their flagrant abuse of process is what caused that threat. The court is just pointing it out.
They're only mad now because all the other times they do these things in concert with the feds they've gotten away with it. In 2013 Reuters interviewed numerous former federal agents who said that parallel construction was normal in the Bureau, and that the 4th and 6th amendments didn't matter to the people in charge.
 
Project Veritas has just gotten a Huge win. The prior restraint on the New York Times publishing anything related to what was seized in the FBI raid has been upheld, and even more importantly the court has ordered the Times to return everything it has to Veritas and to destroy all copies. If the originals cannot be returned for whatever reason the Times must also destroy those too.

Further, the court has ordered that all information the the times has obtained from the FBI raid is barred and cannot be used in any defense motion to which Veritas is a Plaintiff against the times.

Finally the Court orders the Time Company to submit an affidavit to the court within 10 days where they assert under penalty of perjury the order has been carried.

This is what the kids call "extraordinary remedies". Judge is big mad and he wrote 26 pages explaining just how mad he is.

@Null this is a big one. O'Keefe just landed a kill shot, provided the appellate division upholds it.
NYT already seething about this one. They're going to appeal it.

A Dangerous Court Order Against The New York Times​

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Half a century ago, the Supreme Court settled the matter of when a court can stop a newspaper from publishing. In 1971, the Nixon administration attempted to block The Times and The Washington Post from publishing classified Defense Department documents detailing the history of the Vietnam War — the so-called Pentagon Papers. Faced with an asserted threat to the nation’s security, the Supreme Court sided with the newspapers. “Without an informed and free press, there cannot be an enlightened people,” Justice Potter Stewart wrote in a concurring opinion.

That sentiment reflects one of the oldest and most enduring principles in our legal system: The government may not tell the press what it can and cannot publish. This principle long predates the Constitution, but so there would be no mistake, the nation’s founders included a safeguard in the Bill of Rights anyway. “Congress shall make no law,” the First Amendment says, “abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.”

This is why virtually every official attempt to bar speech or news reporting in advance, known as a prior restraint, gets struck down. “Any system of prior restraints of expression comes to this court bearing a heavy presumption against its constitutional validity,” the Supreme Court said in a 1963 case. Such restraints are “the very prototype of the greatest threat to First Amendment values,” Justice Antonin Scalia wrote a generation later.

On Friday, however, a New York trial court judge broke from that precedent when he issued an order blocking The Times from publishing or even reporting further on information it had obtained related to Project Veritas, the conservative sting group that traffics in hidden cameras and fake identities to target liberal politicians and interest groups, as well as traditional news outlets.

The order, a highly unusual and astonishingly broad injunction against a news organization, was issued by State Supreme Court Justice Charles D. Wood, who wrote that the Times’s decision to publish excerpts from memos written by Project Veritas's lawyers “cries out for court intervention to protect the integrity of the judicial process.” This ruling follows a similar directive Justice Wood issued last month in response to a story The Times published that quoted from the memos. The Times plans to appeal this latest ruling.

In requesting the order from Justice Wood, Project Veritas’s lawyers acknowledged that prior restraints on publication are rare but argued that their case fits a narrow exception the law recognizes for documents that may be used in the course of ongoing litigation. This exception recognizes that because parties are forced by the court to disclose materials, courts should have the power to supervise how such forced disclosures are used by the other party. The litigation here is a libel suit Project Veritas filed against The Times in 2020, for its articles on a video the group produced about what it claimed was rampant voter fraud in Minnesota. The video was “probably part of a coordinated disinformation effort,” The Times reported, citing an analysis by researchers at Stanford University and the University of Washington.

The group’s lawyers also argue that the memos are protected by attorney-client privilege and that The Times was under an ethical obligation to return them to Project Veritas, rather than publish them. This is not how journalism works. The Times, like any other news organization, makes ethical judgments daily about whether to disclose secret information from governments, corporations and others in the news. But the First Amendment is meant to leave those ethical decisions to journalists, not to courts. The only potential exception is information so sensitive — say, planned troop movements during a war — that its publication could pose a grave threat to American lives or national security.

Project Veritas’s legal memos are not a matter of national security. In fact, but for its ongoing libel suit, the group would have no claim against The Times at all. The memos at issue have nothing to do with that suit and did not come to The Times through the discovery process. Still, Project Veritas is arguing that their publication must be prohibited because the memos contain confidential information that is relevant to the group’s litigation strategy.

It’s an absurd argument and a deeply threatening one to a free press. Consider the consequences: News organizations could be routinely blocked from reporting information about a person or company simply because the subject of that reporting decided the information might one day be used in litigation. More alarming is the prospect that reporters could be barred even from asking questions of sources, lest someone say something that turns out to be privileged. This isn’t a speculative fear; in his earlier order, Justice Wood barred The Times from reporting about anything covered by Project Veritas’s attorney-client privilege. In Friday’s decision, he ordered The Times to destroy any and all copies of the memos that it had obtained, and barred it from reporting on the substance of those memos. The press is free to report on matters of public concern, he wrote, but memos from attorneys to their clients don’t clear that bar.

This is a breathtaking rationale: Justice Wood has taken it upon himself to decide what The Times can and cannot report on. That’s not how the First Amendment is supposed to work.

Journalism, like democracy, thrives in an environment of transparency and freedom. No court should be able to tell The New York Times or any other news organization — or, for that matter, Project Veritas — how to conduct its reporting. Otherwise, it would provide an incentive for any reporter’s subjects to file frivolous libel suits as a means of controlling news coverage about them. More to the point, it would subvert the values embodied by the First Amendment and hobble the functioning of the free press on which a self-governing republic depends.
 
What blows my mind is they didn't even hide it. The Court Pounded repeatedly in its ruling on the fact that the NYT asked Veritas for comment about its communication with their attorney of Record. That right there was what did it. The idiots were so arrogant, they not only ran a story using communication between an officer of the court and a client, but openly claimed they even asked both the officer and the client for comment.

The idiots in the editors staff clearly didn't run this by the lawyers because that was a breathtakingly stupid move. I don't see this getting reversed. 6th Amendment protections are settled law in America. An opposing party is not allowed to use irregular means to get communications between an attorney and their client.

People get so worked up over the 1st and 2nd amendments that they forget there are others. In this case the NYTs press freedom guaranteed under the 1st Amendment is at direct odds with Veritas' right to counsel under the 6th. The court has to weigh the damage, and ultimately decided it was the NYT that chose to Violate the 6th Amendment. They cannot hide behind the 1st after wilfully inducing a breach of the 6th.

This judge was furious. He is citing English common law from the 16th century. The 1st and 6th Amendments directly, and the Virginia declaration of rights from 1776.
 
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What blows my mind is they didn't even hide it. The Court Pounded repeatedly in its ruling on the fact that the NYT asked Veritas for comment about its communication with their attorney of Record. That right there was what did it. The idiots were so arrogant, they not only ran a story using communication between an officer of the court and a client, but openly claimed they even asked both the officer and the client for comment.

The idiots in the editors staff clearly didn't run this by the lawyers because that was a breathtakingly stupid move. I don't see this getting reversed. 6th Amendment protections are settled law in America. An opposing party is not allowed to use irregular means to get communications between an attorney and their client.

People get so worked up over the 1st and 2nd amendments that they forget there are others. In this case the NYTs press freedom guaranteed under the 1st Amendment is at direct odds with Veritas' right to counsel under the 6th. The court has to weigh the damage, and ultimately decided it was the NYT that chose to Violate the 6th Amendment. They cannot hide behind the 1st after wilfully inducing a breach of the 6th.

This judge was furious. He is citing English common law from the 16th century. The 1st and 6th Amendments directly, and the Virginia declaration of rights from 1776.
They were this arrogant because they've got corrupt intelligence and federal law enforcement agencies beyond any oversight or accountability willing to destroy their enemies. You had the FBI conduct a bullshit raid on behalf of a butthurt president for the sole purpose of fishing for embarrassing info to leak to the media outlet being sued by the target for defamation. If any other outlet had published the leaks they would have had some level of plausible deniability. There was zero legitimate journalistic reason to publish any of this shit, and the fact that they did without hesitation makes the purpose of the raid and level of coordination between both parties obvious. Outside of Clown World people would actually be facing prison for this shit.
 
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