Jace's Mental health

[Duke Nukem]

I thought the same exact thing when I saw that post (being self-aware about having gone off his meds and fucking up). He might recover...

But then all the butthurt about getting advice, and the continued delusions about being a wounded veteran, shot that to hell.

Just wait until you see the totally kickass USMC combat throwing knife he got out of the trash yesterday.

 

[WachtAmWeb]

Whether or not Jace is a full-blown schizophrenic, he's certainly nowhere near normal. I know we've already seen examples of Jace having moments of lucidity, but get this: it's been happening occasionally since before he was having frequent Crucial Danger situations. In around spring 2013, not that long before Gamerfood first got involved, Jace finally gave into the pressure from /k/ and begged a couple of deep-cover trolls for help dealing with spergs like me attacking his blog. It worked on a superficial level - he asked them to help him not look like an idiot and answer questions correctly, and the volume of trolling against him dropped drastically. However, having fewer /k/ommandos calling his house, spamming his blog etc just made him more cocky - thus the upsurge in his making videos and playing games with "fans" that led him straight to Gamerfood (I should also point out that it also led him to learn how to actually block people on Tumblr, which cut down the trolling by lots because he got my IP and those of several others). It seems likely to me that the current period of relative lucidity will not last. Rob can't keep on controlling him forever.
TL;DR this ride never ends.

 

[Seahorses]

It makes sense for a former veteran to have PTSD.

 

[Smutley]

It makes sense for a former veteran to have PTSD.

Former FUTURE Veteran, friend. That means its PreTSD.

 

[Seahorses]

In all seriousness though, I think we've been acting somewhat condescending towards Jace.

Babying him doesn't help. Egging him on when comes on here with his Semper Fidelis BS doesn't help either (and I'm a little guilty on that end).

Jace just needs friends. I think we are good community that should show him friendship like we've shown a personality like Sammy.

He is a little rough around the edges, I get it - but until he sees us as real friends (and not "fans") we don't have any sway in helping him.

 

[A-Stump]

'Help' a lolcow.

Good one. You know that old adage of a battered woman claiming her husband just needs 'help' and is just rough around the edges? It's like that but with more autism. They are so bluntly unchanging unless adaption forces them to that you are better off never forming the idea.

 

[Protoman]

It's certainly a possibility. Contrary to what seems to be the popular belief on the forums, I'm entirely open to the idea that people can change, and I've always felt that Jace had managed to retain some part of himself that most lolcows seem to have lost. It's not certain, but it's possible.

Will he ever be able to hold intelligent conversation or lead what many of us would consider a fulfilling life? Almost certainly not. Will he be able to hold socially acceptable conversations and work a job that allows him to sustain himself while doing the things he loves and maintaining a few good friendships? Maybe. I hope so.

 

[DeagleDad420]

He is a little rough around the edges, I get it - but until he sees us as real friends (and not "fans") we don't have any sway in helping him.

Some people say he's a little rough around the edges. Some people say he doesn't play by the rules.



























They're right

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

I just hope Jace gets real help and doesn't continue to come here and say he gets disability for his war wounds to spend on vidya from being a retired spec op Army Ranger Green Beret Delta Force Navy SEAL Air Force PJ (I think that's all of them). Feeding into his delusions isn't helping him, and may well be hurting him.

Seriously, the fake veteran with PTSD charade is getting old. You don't have to contradict him but don't encourage his delusion either.

 

[DeagleDad420]

I just hope Jace gets real help and doesn't continue to come here and say he gets disability for his war wounds to spend on vidya from being a retired spec op Army Ranger Green Beret Delta Force Navy SEAL Air Force PJ (I think that's all of them). Feeding into his delusions isn't helping him, and may well be hurting him.

Seriously, the fake veteran with PTSD charade is getting old. You don't have to contradict him but don't encourage his delusion either.

I just hope Jace gets real help

Jace

If Jace recovered he would cease to be a lolcow and we would forget about him. First, it's never going to happen, because the ride never ends, and second, if he somehow miraculously recovered and overcame his ridiculous list of mental health problems overnight, the only way for him to live a normal life after all that has happened would be to completely abandon the Internet. Even if he came back with an alias, he has so many stalkers they'd find him and it would all begin again.

And if that happened, we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves without any new activity and the community would eventually dissolve (remind you of anything?) so it would be a moot point.

Also making absurd claims that he's a future/past/present tense marine is pretty much the same thing he's been doing since day 1. I don't really get why you're suddenly upset about it now, I mean it's kind of like saying "Man this Sonichu shit is getting old."

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

The ride may never end, but right now I want off. He's not funny in his angry young man phase.

Maybe I thought the results were going to be too dramatic too fast and he'd cut it out with the fake Marine stuff. Needless to say, I was wrong.

 

[Andrew Noel Schaefer]

I just wanna say, thank god for this subforum. Was getting tired of intentionally shitposting

 

[Fapcup]

How much do you guys think that Jace chooses to believe his delusions, as opposed to being forced to live with them, like you see with schizophrenics?

I'm asking cause, there is quite an element of willful role playing of sorts with Jace.

A genuine schizophrenic has no choice in believing that the CIA is sending him remote thoughts through micro transmitters. It's his reality.

Jace on the other hand? Since he got criticized and called out on his claims, he modified them to be a "retired former veteran" as opposed to just a veteran, which he tried at first.

He's also smart enough never to have attended an IRL veterans group or vet event (or even online veteran groups), since he knows that they wouldn't take too kindly to "retired veterans" and would probably kick his ass, the minute he told them what has caused his PTSD...

 

[WachtAmWeb]

How much do you guys think that Jace chooses to believe his delusions, as opposed to being forced to live with them, like you see with schizophrenics?

I'm asking cause, there is quite an element of willful role playing of sorts with Jace.

There definitely is a sense of wilful roleplay, and Jace flips between being COMMANDER STRYKER and his normal Dudebro persona at the drop of a hat. The way I think of it is like a little boy playing cowboys who's shooting at you with an imaginary gun, then decides he doesn't want the game to be over and rather bossily says "now, be another baddie". Jace is exactly the same, especially with his mom - refer back to the Road Trip Vids where you see dozens of switches between "look mom, I am protecting this family from terrorists" to "can we stop at the milsurp store pls pls pls???"
I think that deep down, Jace knows that he's a fraud, but his personal "morality" and ego prevent him from giving up the game. Notice how aggressive and hostile he is to people who call him out, and how his responses to being called out are so weak and feeble. It's as though part of him wants to give up and just live a normal life, but the thrill of lying to people and getting attention for being a "former future wounded SEAL veteran" is just too addictive. Note how he's always trying to impress new people - at least part of that seems to be that he knows that if anyone gets to know him too well, they see through his bullshit. Despite being pretty unremarkable as an individual, and having few social skills, he will happily go out in public and say shit like "excuse me, Marine coming through" or "thanks for the burgers, Semper Fi!" because he thinks it adds to his "status". I don't know, maybe he thinks that everyone around him is as gullible as he is. In that sense, he probably does believe his own delusions - but only temporarily, until things get too real and he needs his mom to help him cook a meal or something.
Then again, anything to do with belief is tricky with Jace because he doesn't define "belief" in the same way as other people - see how he uses "and that's what I believe" as a verbal tic, or how he talks about religion (contrasting "I don't believe in Allah.... Allah lied to me!!!" with "fuck you, I'm a catholic, I don't believe in your Muslim god!").

 

[DeagleDad420]

I agree with what Wacht said but I don't think he's doing it for attention per se, and I dont think he's wilfully deceiving anyone as much as he is willfully deceiving himself.

Jace is incredibly insecure. He will adopt any persona that he thinks will lend him some sense of power. We have seen this countless times, from the anime otaku to the dudebro to STRYKER, and the speed at which he adopts these speaks to the fact that underneath it all he is tragically uncomfortable in his own skin and has no idea who he is yet. He's just poorly mimicing cultural stereotypes because its easier to steal a personality wholesale than to invent your own.

Theres definately an aspect of lying to get status and respect, but I think you give him too much credit when it comes to his theory of mind; he doesn't really block people off or change his tune much when they get close to him and kind of just assumes everyone will believe him and take his word for it - to the point where he feels no need to provide any evidence, and legitimately struggles to understand why people do not accept his fantasy. Without his fantasy persona, he is nothing, as we have previously discussed.

You're right though in that it has become very difficult to tell how much is willfully roleplaying and how much is legitimate delusion. The line is so blurry for Jace that I really don't think its possible to make a clear distinction.

I'm leaning towards the side of delusion though. In the case of things like switching "out" of stryker mode to ask his mommy to stop at the milsurp store, I believe he's not as much switching out as he is so delusional and lacks so much self-awareness that he doesn't even recognize how much the act of begging his mom conflicts with the act of being a badass supersoldier Marine. Jace has an incredible capacity for cognitive dissonance and you'll hear him say self-contradicting statements on a regular basis.

 

[StallChaser]

How much do you guys think that Jace chooses to believe his delusions, as opposed to being forced to live with them, like you see with schizophrenics?

I'm asking cause, there is quite an element of willful role playing of sorts with Jace.

A genuine schizophrenic has no choice in believing that the CIA is sending him remote thoughts through micro transmitters. It's his reality.

Jace on the other hand? Since he got criticized and called out on his claims, he modified them to be a "retired former veteran" as opposed to just a veteran, which he tried at first.

He's also smart enough never to have attended an IRL veterans group or vet event (or even online veteran groups), since he knows that they wouldn't take too kindly to "retired veterans" and would probably kick his ass, the minute he told them what has caused his PTSD...

I think it's like a chicken or egg sort of thing. The delusions are things he likes, but it's uncertain whether it was the delusion that came first or whether he willingly made an idea he liked into a delusion. I don't think it really matters because the end result is the same. It turns into a feedback loop that's only broken when something catastrophic happens. There's also the blurred line of how much he believes his delusions are True and Honest, and how much of it is from the social pressure of playing to the audience, not wanting to admit he's wrong, and so forth. It's impossible to know exactly where Jace actually is in all of this, because it's all in his head. He's certainly not going to be forthcoming about it.

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

Jace thinks private security personnel and pro wrestlers are Marines (he said so in the new knife and the Cena threads).

So, maybe he just sets the bar of who gets to call themself a Marine very low?

 

[Andrew Noel Schaefer]

Jace thinks private security personnel and pro wrestlers are Marines (he said so in the new knife and the Cena threads).

So, maybe he just sets the bar of who gets to call themself a Marine very low?

First keep in mind that when one says pro wrestling is fake, they primarily mean that wrestlers take on gimmicks because to the audiance watching, having a former dictator who supported communist rebellions in the middle east is much more entertaining then just some fat, balding dude. Cenas gimmick is that he was a former marine/Still is a marine, getting headshots and killstreaks IRL. I dont know if its turely true, and to be honest I dont even want to bother googling it, but Jace buys it hook line and sinker.

As for PMCs? No. Just no. I hate PMCs. Fun to RP as in videogames, but otherwise no.

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

By private security personnel I meant armed security guards in the US, I didn't mean military contractors. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Andrew Noel Schaefer]

By private security personnel I meant armed security guards in the US, I didn't mean military contractors. Sorry for the confusion.

Actually, what WOULD jace think of PMCs?

Just soliders? Or rogue soliders?

Quite hilariously, he fucking hated Spec Ops: The Line for the implication that soliders would go rogue.

(Well, as far as he knows. He obviously didnt beat the game)