Isabella and Allen potentially spike Louis’ drink with Estrogen

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"New insights in medicine and acceptable treatments necessitates an adjustment of the existing definition of clinical or forensic poisoning to: 'An individual's medical or social unacceptable condition as a consequence of being under influence of an exogenous substance in a dose too high for the person concerned'." (What is the definition of a poisoning?) In my opinion, taking estrogen when it's not prescribed and not needed is considered a dose too high for any sane male. Taking estrogen increases the risk of blood clots and cancer. Less doctors nowadays are prescribing estrogen for menopause because of the dangerous risks. Who knows how long they may have been giving him pills AND/or powdered estrogen. Men with too much estrogen for their body can develop erectile dysfunction, osteoporosis, and even infertility. More estrogen than the body naturally produces (and in the average range for a male of his condition) is too high for the person concerned.
 
I posted this in the old Mega-thread but will post it here too for posterity...

Lacing a guy's drink with estrogen once (even large amounts) won't really do much to him hormonally. A massive initial dose might stress his kidneys, liver and cause nausea and vomiting but will not produce any feminizing effects. It takes many weeks of taking estrogen for any feminization to manifest in a male, and that Louise already looks like such an effeminate cuck I doubt you would notice much at all.
Also, the oral forms of Estrogens (and most hormones) are known to have incredibly low oral bioavailability which is why they are ideally used as a Subcutaneous or Intramuscular injection ( HGH, Testosterone and other Anabolic Androgenic Steroids are good examples of this)

Also, if they were serious about this the easiest way to get estrogens to spike someone's drink with would be oral birth control pills such as the "28/21 day pills" or "the day after pill". While powdered pure Estrogens do exist, they are hard to come by for the normal populace and there is little demand. My guess was when they googled it they just saw some Walgreens natural "estrogen booster" which would not contain estrogens.

Although they have horrible intentions and should be in jail for many reasons, their estrogen spiking plan is pretty harmless in the way they describe it, but I believe that is only due to their stupidity. I don't doubt they would use a much more harmful substance if they weren't imbeciles.
 
SpeedBaller powiedział(a):
I posted this in the old Mega-thread but will post it here too for posterity...

Lacing a guy's drink with estrogen once (even large amounts) won't really do much to him hormonally. A massive initial dose might stress his kidneys, liver and cause nausea and vomiting but will not produce any feminizing effects. It takes many weeks of taking estrogen for any feminization to manifest in a male, and that Louise already looks like such an effeminate cuck I doubt you would notice much at all.
Also, the oral forms of Estrogens (and most hormones) are known to have incredibly low oral bioavailability which is why they are ideally used as a Subcutaneous or Intramuscular injection ( HGH, Testosterone and other Anabolic Androgenic Steroids are good examples of this)

Also, if they were serious about this the easiest way to get estrogens to spike someone's drink with would be oral birth control pills such as the "28/21 day pills" or "the day after pill". While powdered pure Estrogens do exist, they are hard to come by for the normal populace and there is little demand. My guess was when they googled it they just saw some Walgreens natural "estrogen booster" which would not contain estrogens.

Although they have horrible intentions and should be in jail for many reasons, their estrogen spiking plan is pretty harmless in the way they describe it, but I believe that is only due to their stupidity. I don't doubt they would use a much more harmful substance if they weren't imbeciles.
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Their plan was way more than once I believe, Bella wanted to observe the feminisation of Louis.
 
Caesar powiedział(a):
Their plan was way more than once I believe, Bella wanted to observe the feminisation of Louis.
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I am probably missing some of the logs but from what I am reading they had such poor understanding on the basics and procurement of oral Estrogens that it just seemed like an impulsive and poorly thought out idea with horrible criminal intentions. That being said, I believe Bella and her cronies are absolutely capable of trying something this devious and if they did their research and went about it discreetly it would not be hard to seriously harm someone they had prolonged access to.
 
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Jesus, every new thing that comes out about her somehow manages to be worse than the last. What a goddamn psychotic monster. Same with Omongidale "Allen" Owobu.

Allen shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a patient, he would be the zoomer nigerian version of the Angel of Death.
 
when I read the logs it sounded to me like Bella was the one making the suggestions and Allen was just going along with it without intending ti actually do it. He didn't really engage much and even seemed to try to steer her off it by bringing up he didn't do the protein powder anymore, then pushing off the plan until the next time they were in lubbock, maybe thinking she'd forget about it? Still a completely retarded thing for an aspiring doctor to entertain. He seems like an extremely passive type of person, and a personality like Bella would be very difficult someone like that to stand up to. Unfortunately that type of passivity and willingness to ignore your moral compass for the sake of comfort are unacceptable traits for a doctor. and of course the whole lolicon shit should immediately bar anyone from ever doing a pediatric rotation.
 
Estrogen is not magic. You'd have to take it consistently for months to even begin to notice an effect.

Estrogen is produced naturally in both men and women. In small amounts it would do nothing. You'd have to put an awful lot of the stuff in someone's food before they even got sick from it. There's no way you could trick a person into taking that much of a single foul tasting substance for such a long period of time.
 
Tathagata powiedział(a):
Yeah this sounds good until you realize framing estrogen as a "poison or harmful substance" will immediately drag all the tranny jannies into a rage. You can't call their uwu astolfo pills possibly dangerous because that would hurt their feelings.
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Rubbing alcohol is poisonous if you drink it, and hydrogen peroxide will kill you if injected. Definitely “self-medicating” with any substance is potentially dangerous at best and possibly lethal at worst. (self-medicating in quotes because Bella was [allegedly, anyway] the one dosing him).
 
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If it were powder (and thus placed in something else, like food or liquid), it would be food tampering. If he were given a pill, it's more vague. It's along the lines of civil fraud,
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Giving somebody damaging medications without their knowledge is generally a second-degree assault.
 
Generally speaking, spiking anyone's drink or food with anything as an act of deliberate malice is considered poisoning in some capacity, regardless of how benign the specific ingredient might be, due to risks associated with unforseen allergies or negative health effects. It's why you shouldn't swap out soy milk with regular milk at the coffee shop to teach a rude customer a lesson; you'd have no way of knowing if a relative stranger is just a preachy vegan or if they have a fatal allergy to dairy.

There is a difference in these cases with being uninformed vs. outright lying, to be clear. If someone makes a dish with mushrooms and gives it to someone with an allergy to mushrooms and they never brought it up beforehand, then of course it would be considered accidental; people aren't psychic, after all. They may still be considered liable for medical expenses incurred depending on the situation, but it would probably not be considered a criminal act if the intent wasn't to make someone sick.

In this scenario, Bella and Allen's Discord logs would be damning proof of malicious intent no matter how they swung it. It doesn't matter if they spiked his protien powder with cocaine or crushed up Flintstones vitamins; they believed it would modify his physical and mental state in a way that Louis did not consent to. They weren't putting this shit into their own food to keep Louis from stealing it (food trapping is illegal but if you aren't stupid and don't voice your intentions it's very hard to prove), they were deliberately trying to compromise his protien powder/food alone because they wanted to cause physical and psychological harm to Louis specifically.
 
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Bella obviously didn't know what would happen, but was hoping she would destroy him both mentally and physically. At least with Dr. Mengele he had some goals and legitimate research going with his cruel experiments. It wasn't just sadism.
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Remember Omongidale was Pre-Med too and he went along with the plan or at least condoned it.

You'd think somebody studying to become a doctor would know it's not a good idea to even joke about poisoning somebody.
 
If he was knowingly taking pills then were they actually oestrogen and why was he taking them? What did he think the tablets were for? Obviously nothing with an active effect. Maybe vitamins. Maybe testosterone. The question is why doesn’t he want more of those pills from her.

My suspicion is that she let him suck her toes and then swapped out his course of antifungal medication.
 
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