Is reality a Delusion?

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Divine Power

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13 Sty 2022
To what extent is the reality we perceive a construct of our consciousness, and how can we distinguish it from an independent, objective world? It feels like a dream, not real most of the time. Are we in a simulation constructed by our mind? This is so weird.

If our perceptions are merely our brain's interpretation of sensory data, and if those interpretations are susceptible to error and manipulation, then what is the true nature of the world beyond our limited human experience, and how can we ever hope to grasp it?
 
asking "is reality real?" is the highest form of solipsistic masturbatory navel gazing
 
it's impossible to say. the best you can do is do whatever you think is right within the context of whatever you think is true.

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@Divine Power when you ask "Is reality a delusion?" what you're doing is sawing off the branch you're sitting on
By definition, a delusion is when someone believes something that isn't real. The very concept "delusion" only makes sense against the backdrop of reality. You can't call the base a delusion without making the word meaningless. It's like if you were to ask whether existence exists or whether truth is false
our perceptions
Perceptions can misfire, but a misperception is only recognizable because there is a real world to misperceive. To even form the thought "illusion" you already had to grasp "reality". You can't just go and reverse that hierarchy

And this is exactly why you keep dropping this kind of dogshit
Plato's "World of Forms" nonsense and Christian mystical logic always end up in pseudo-questions that contradict themselves the moment you look at the concepts and premises they're built on
What you inevitably do from this kind of terrible epistemology is not philosophy, it's garbage

If, against all odds, you actually want to think, then start with the base that makes thought possible. Reality exists, and consciousness is awareness of reality, not the creator of reality. Forget that and you end up like @Divine Power, a complete and utter sophist troglodyte treating Deep Thoughts like his designated shitting board
 
It feels to me like a pretty circular and self-defeating line of thinking. How are we defining reality? If we somehow discover something that we agree exists outside of previously understood "reality," does reality not then necessarily expand to include the newly discovered domain? That's what's been happening with human exploration of Earth since the earliest days.

I'll concede that the question of what happens when two observers return differing interpretations of "reality" looks interesting... at first. Very quickly, though, you realize that there are only two possible resolutions to the question: either you expand the domain of interest until the discrepancy is trivialized/unified, or you arbitrarily disqualify/eliminate all but one of the differing interpretations.

This is a lot of words to say that merely being able to ask the question is intelligence, and understanding the fruitlessness of earnestly attempting to answer it is wisdom.
 
If you have no way of knowing if your reality is real or not, it makes no diffrence.

Same as if arguing whether we are a micro cosom on a giant's toe nail, or if you are a brain in a jar. If we can't deterime that we are that, it's just speculation.
 
Are we in a simulation constructed by our mind? This is so weird.

I don't smoke weed any more but vaguely remember my high school stoner buddies and I getting high in somebody's basement and bullshitting for what seemed like forever on profound-sounding topics just like this, knowing at any moment someone is going to bring up aliens and getting anally probed by aliens and what's up with that, anyway? Gay space aliens, man. Buncha faggots. No, you're a faggot.

It goes downhill from there.
 
I don’t think you mean what’s defined by delusion. I think you mean ‘is the substance of our reality different to that which we perceive?’
You know sometimes you have weird dreams, where you’re seeing things and yet you understand that they’re simply all your brain can give you as a visual representation of deeper concept? Perhaps it’s a bit like that. Like a kind of multi-input sensorial metaphor.
 
How much mind altering substances do you take per week to make reality feel like a dream?
 
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