Inner crisis over Taliban - Were they the good guys all along?

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Bill Dauterive

Bill Dauterive

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Guys, I'm legitimately having a mental crisis right now. I was raised Christian and conservative and I always believed that the Taliban were definitely the bad guys; Rotten to the core, evil in their bones. Now I'm at the point where I see the Taliban as freedom fighters. I just watched a (((Vice))) doc with Taliban interviews and it seems to me (through my westernized view of history) that the Afghani people have been fighting a war of independence since the British occupied the country starting in 1838. I couldn't be happier that the Taliban was donated $billions of combat gear and left to their own devices. I'm not a Taliban shill, just a disillusioned American national.
 
Yes, America is the great Satan and if you are a religious conservative the Taliban are your bros.
 
One side being bad guys doesn't prevent the other from also being bad guys, you know. The US program of forcing other countries to adopt degeneracy is evil, but so is sawing off people's heads for leaving your stupid death cult. It's not an either or.
 
As with every war, its shades of mostly dark grey. The fact is that the Afghans don't want to enter the 21st century. They would rather wallow in poverty under the rule of islamist extremists than modernize.

The US's mistake was trying to force them to modernize in some ill advised war against terrorism. The reality is that the US did the same thing it did in both Vietnam and Iraq. We busted the front door, then had no plan on how to stop the rotting structure from collapsing and decided to just keep shooting the ever multiplying roaches in the walls rather than rebuild the house so that roaches would have a hard time getting in.

The US has fucked this up three times now and I thought that at least those retards in the military would have learned after Iraq, IF NOT VIETNAM, that you need to actually build infrastructure and work with the native people to stop terrorism and extremists. Apparently not.
 
Contrary to popular belief, the enemy of my enemy isn't my friend, and the only reason the taliban doesn't seem too bad is they are a strict Islamic regime who are ruling over people who want a strict Islamic regime, things would be much bloodier if there was a significant amount of the afghani population who were against them
 
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Joe Swanson powiedział(a):
Contrary to popular belief, the enemy of my enemy isn't my friend, and the only reason the taliban doesn't seem too bad is they are a strict Islamic regime who are ruling over people who want a strict Islamic regime, things would be much bloodier if there was a significant amount of the afghani population who were against themes
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Blood for the blood god. Skulls for the skull throne.
 
Chilson powiedział(a):
As with every war, its shades of mostly dark grey. The fact is that the Afghans don't want to enter the 21st century. They would rather wallow in poverty under the rule of islamist extremists than modernize.

The US's mistake was trying to force them to modernize in some ill advised war against terrorism. The reality is that the US did the same thing it did in both Vietnam and Iraq. We busted the front door, then had no plan on how to stop the rotting structure from collapsing and decided to just keep shooting the ever multiplying roaches in the walls rather than rebuild the house so that roaches would have a hard time getting in.

The US has fucked this up three times now and I thought that at least those retards in the military would have learned after Iraq, IF NOT VIETNAM, that you need to actually build infrastructure and work with the native people to stop terrorism and extremists. Apparently not.
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This right here applies to huge swaths of the Middle East, Africa, and South America. You can't give civilization to people who don't want it or aren't mentally developed enough to even handle it. Our biggest mistake was meddling in their lives and not letting them live how they wanted to within reason.
 
Joe Swanson powiedział(a):
Contrary to popular belief, the enemy of my enemy isn't my friend, and the only reason the taliban doesn't seem too bad is they are a strict Islamic regime who are ruling over people who want a strict Islamic regime, things would be much bloodier if there was a significant amount of the afghani population who were against them
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I fully agree that the enemy of your enemy is not your friend, but at the same time, if one has two enemies fighting against each other, it would be foolish not to root for the one that's less relevant to you. At the end of the day, the Talian is on the other side of the world and largely disinterested in western affairs. The same can obviously not be said for Uncle Schlomo.
 
mr.moon1488 powiedział(a):
I fully agree that the enemy of your enemy is not your friend, but at the same time, if one has two enemies fighting against each other, it would be foolish not to root for the one that's less relevant to you. At the end of the day, the Talian is on the other side of the world and largely disinterested in western affairs. The same can obviously not be said for Uncle Schlomo.
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The international credit union known as "global homosexual" really got me rooting for a backwards, child-molesting confederation of bandits and goat herders
 
You want real Muslim freedom fighters to root for look at the Peshmerga, not the Taliban.
Kurds don't have their own country but they'd really like to, so they have a self-organized pseudo-military which helped to root out ISIS back in 2016. Despite some countries declaring them terrorists as well they were actually tied into Western "efforts" to defeat ISIS and did a lot of the heavy lifting when local militarizes had all fucked off and surrendered and Western powers didn't want to get directly involved.

I don't have an instagram account so I can't lurk there any more, but one of their volunteers from Norway used to post photos and videos from their fight against ISIS under the handle peshmerganor. The profile is still up afaik, lots of dead terrorists to see there.

Personally I'd tell them: Turkey, Iraq and Syria are never giving you back your ancestral lands, but if you manage to take Afghanistan from the Taliban you can keep it.
 
Hathungor powiedział(a):
You want real Muslim freedom fighters to root for look at the Peshmerga, not the Taliban.
Kurds don't have their own country but they'd really like to, so they have a self-organized pseudo-military which helped to root out ISIS back in 2016. Despite some countries declaring them terrorists as well they were actually tied into Western "efforts" to defeat ISIS and did a lot of the heavy lifting when local militarizes had all fucked off and surrendered and Western powers didn't want to get directly involved.

I don't have an instagram account so I can't lurk there any more, but one of their volunteers from Norway used to post photos and videos from their fight against ISIS under the handle peshmerganor. The profile is still up afaik, lots of dead terrorists to see there.

Personally I'd tell them: Turkey, Iraq and Syria never giving you back your ancestral lands, but if you manage to take Afghanistan from the Taliban you can keep it.
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I am not supporting the fucking kurds
 
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