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Incels.is (Previously known as /r/incels) - Subreddit's banned, entitled Manchildren whine about why they can't get laid.
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It was never about being a "good person" in the true meaning of the word.
Something that has to be put to death is this idea that love/dating is meritocratic and democratic. It ain't. It's arbitrary as fuck and not everyone can have it.
It's not about having a good character or whatever, it's about social skills. Why do you think abusive relationships are a thing?
Abusive people have enough charm and know how to exploit vulnerability to have a vantage point over their partners. They know what to say, how to say it and when to say it.
It was never about being a "good person" in the true meaning of the word.
Something that has to be put to death is this idea that love/dating is meritocratic and democratic. It ain't. It's arbitrary as fuck and not everyone can have it.
It's not about having a good character or whatever, it's about social skills. Why do you think abusive relationships are a thing?
Abusive people have enough charm and know how to exploit vulnerability to have a vantage point over their partners. They know what to say, how to say it and when to say it.
Something that has to be put to death is this idea that love/dating is meritocratic and democratic. It ain't. It's arbitrary as fuck and not everyone can have it.
Only because there is too much freedom and individuality to dating, I'd honestly prefer a system designed to ensure average men could get wives rather than this bullshit where men like me are expected to be slaves for the sex haver class while I live a pointless life as a genetic dead end. What is being done to me is nothing short of terrorism.
Abusive people have enough charm and know how to exploit vulnerability to have a vantage point over their partners. They know what to say, how to say it and when to say it.
I've tried that but I'm so fucking desperate and have so little leverage that I just end up getting used and abused instead and I don't even get a relationship out of it. Don't trust these evil cunts who pretend to be vulnerable to lure in men.
Only because there is too much freedom and individuality to dating, I'd honestly prefer a system designed to ensure average men could get wives rather than this bullshit where men like me are expected to be slaves for the sex haver class while I live a pointless life as a genetic dead end. What is being done to me is nothing short of terrorism.
The problem with these weird "there should be government-arranged marriages" ideas is that most of those marriages would be unhappy. I know it's hard to see from where you are, but no relationship is preferable to a bad relationship. Getting your dick wet a few times is no compensation for having to share your house/life/finances with someone you can't fucking stand. And in such a hypothetical system, either divorce is permitted, in which case most couples would break up immediately to find someone else, or it isn't in which case people will kill themselves (or each other) en-masse for being stuck in utter misery for their entire lives.
It's a very autistic "solution" to the problem. But this, and PUA-type stuff are trying to come up with digital solutions to analogue problems, if that makes any sense? People and their feelings are not logical. This is not a problem you can solve with logic, life is not a dating simulator where if you select the right speech options someone will fall in love with you. How often have you met a potential friend who is into all the same things as you, lives nearby, has had many of the same experiences as you and has the same opinions, but you just don't fucking like them? Attraction is like that but way more extreme.
I've tried that but I'm so fucking desperate and have so little leverage that I just end up getting used and abused instead and I don't even get a relationship out of it. Don't trust these evil cunts who pretend to be vulnerable to lure in men.
Don't do it. Avoid damaged goods. I was young and desperate for companionship once upon a time and entered into a relationship with a woman I wasn't remotely attracted to because she was going through some shit and actually wanted to fuck me. My self-esteem was so low that I thought nobody else would ever want me, so I stuck with her, and she turned out to be an insane psychopath who sank me to levels of despair I didn't know were possible. Someone I know dated a "recovering" alcoholic out of pity and swallowed her lines about needing a guy to help her through quitting, only for her to drink so much she went into a drunken rage and poured a kettle of boiling water all over him. He then WENT BACK TO HER and she drank herself to death, not before annihilating his life, destroying his house and causing all his friends to give up on him. 2 years after her death he re-married a fat chick who is clearly a gold-digger (he doesn't have any money, but he's quite a big name in the music business and she wants to be a singer). Leave the BPD nightmare chicks to Chad, she can ruin his life instead of yours.
Having read a couple of your posts, your real problem isn't so much your virginity, but the way you are obsessive about it. If you were more successful with women, you would be just as obsessed about something else and insisting THAT was the barrier to your happiness. Becoming a sex-haver will solve nothing for you. You need to go to therapy to deal with your anxiety and your obsessive thinking patterns, probably CBT or DBT. Again, not the lack of sexual action, but what it has exposed about the way your brain works. I can't guarantee that resolving that will fix your romantic problems, but what I can guarantee is that without solving your thought patterns, becoming a sausage jockey won't make you any happier. You'll feel smug for about a month, but then you'll fixate on something else, and the realisation that boning didn't solve your problems will absolutely fucking wreck you because you'll feel back at square one.
The problem with these weird "there should be government-arranged marriages" ideas is that most of those marriages would be unhappy. I know it's hard to see from where you are, but no relationship is preferable to a bad relationship.
How often have you met a potential friend who is into all the same things as you, lives nearby, has had many of the same experiences as you and has the same opinions, but you just don't fucking like them? Attraction is like that but way more extreme.
Never? Just finding anyone with similar experiences to me is such a rarity it's only ever happened online and typically only in containment forums like Incels.is
It's a very autistic "solution" to the problem. But this, and PUA-type stuff are trying to come up with digital solutions to analogue problems, if that makes any sense? People and their feelings are not logical. This is not a problem you can solve with logic, life is not a dating simulator where if you select the right speech options someone will fall in love with you
Don't do it. Avoid damaged goods. I was young and desperate for companionship once upon a time and entered into a relationship with a woman I wasn't remotely attracted to because she was going through some shit and actually wanted to fuck me.
Having read a couple of your posts, your real problem isn't so much your virginity, but the way you are obsessive about it. If you were more successful with women, you would be just as obsessed about something else and insisting THAT was the barrier to your happiness. Becoming a sex-haver will solve nothing for you. You need to go to therapy to deal with your anxiety and your obsessive thinking patterns, probably CBT or DBT. Again, not the lack of sexual action, but what it has exposed about the way your brain works. I can't guarantee that resolving that will fix your romantic problems, but what I can guarantee is that without solving your thought patterns, becoming a sausage jockey won't make you any happier. You'll feel smug for about a month, but then you'll fixate on something else, and the realisation that boning didn't solve your problems will absolutely fucking wreck you because you'll feel back at square one.
Everything I've every obsessed over have been completely normal experiences that all my peers have had years before me, I'm perfectly justified in my obsessions given that I'm not even trying to do anything exceptional, my obsession is one of being able to live a normal life and everyone just tells me to fucking give up on that and stop caring as though I should just be content being a sexless joyless slave.
You'll feel smug for about a month, but then you'll fixate on something else, and the realisation that boning didn't solve your problems will absolutely fucking wreck you because you'll feel back at square one.
I wouldn't be back at square one, I'd have a milestone checked off my life and could finally move on to whatever is next, probably trying to reproduce with a woman without getting enslaved with child support if(when) the bitch tries to leave.
Never? Just finding anyone with similar experiences to me is such a rarity it's only ever happened online and typically only in containment forums like Incels.is
Tell me this, as you rejected my advice out of hand:
Is it better to take the advice of someone who once was where you are and managed to pull themselves out of it and learned a great deal from the experience, or to take advice from a forum full of weirdos who all have the same problem as you and have all failed to solve it for years on end?
I am speaking to you as someone who went through utterly years of soul-destroying loneliness and desperation. I got laid by lowering my standards to rock bottom, and it just made my life even worse. If you think being rejected every day is bad (and I fucking know it is), take it from me that it is NOTHING compared to the misery of a bad relationship, which will find ways to fill your every waking moment with despair and torment in ways you never dreamed possible. I fixed my shit and managed to get married to someone I was very attracted to. I never thought I'd achieve that, and the learning process was utter torture. And I didn't have the disadvantage you have of having my head filled with bullshit by even bigger failures, like a forum full of blind people trying to guess what a Picasso painting looks like.
This is why I hate internet "support groups". They are all, by definition, full of people who have the same problem. None of them have solved that problem. Nobody joins if they don't have that problem, so why would they? If one of them happens to solve the problem, by luck or by skill, they leave. So the people left are the ones who can't solve the problem. And the ones who are worst at solving the problem stay the longest. They become the most long-serving and respected members, the mods, the admins, even though they are by definition the least qualified of all the members there to set the rules or give advice. The group becomes a race to the bottom where the most clueless failures are the ones giving advice to everyone else. And of course for many members the group becomes a big part of their social circle. If they solve their problem they lose all their friends - look at the way you are talking to me, I solved your problem, but you prefer advice from people who have no fucking idea how to solve your problem. Do you see the issue? There is an active incentive to fail as hard as possible in these places.
Talking to you is a lot like talking to a cult member. You don't really consider or engage with what I'm saying, not because I don't know what I'm talking about but because I'm not a member of the cult and therefore I am some kind of heathen whose ideas must be shunned. You spout the same repetitive ideas, ideas that have been proven to fail, you use the cult's language, you insist that the cult knows The Way despite all the evidence pointing to the exact opposite.
This is why people get exasperated talking to you. You don't engage with ideas any more. You don't have any awareness of how you come across. The way you come across is as someone determined to be as unhappy as possible, to fight your way back into the crab bucket. You provide dumbshit canned responses to good advice. That's why people throw up their arms and say "Fine! Be miserable! But fuck off and be miserable somewhere else, I'm done with your shit."
I know what I'm talking about. Your retard community doesn't. Who are you going to believe and why?
Is it better to take the advice of someone who once was where you are and managed to pull themselves out of it and learned a great deal from the experience, or to take advice from a forum full of weirdos who all have the same problem as you and have all failed to solve it for years on end?
I don't see any serrious alternatives presented when getting a woman is my main goal in life, it seems a bit absurd to just give up on it and say it's not worth it without ever getting to try.
f you think being rejected every day is bad (and I fucking know it is), take it from me that it is NOTHING compared to the misery of a bad relationship, which will find ways to fill your every waking moment with despair and torment in ways you never dreamed possible. I fixed my shit and managed to get married to someone I was very attracted to. I never thought I'd achieve that, and the learning process was utter torture. And I didn't have the disadvantage you have of having my head filled with bullshit by even bigger failures, like a forum full of blind people trying to guess what a Picasso painting looks like.
At least it would be a new experience and a change to my monotonous life. I can't handle my life being so stagnant and unchanging, it leaves me with the feeling that no matter what I do nothing ever changes and I can't get any closer to my goals or check off a life experience as a milestone. even a bad relationship is better than having no relationship at all because it allows for the ability to move on as you yourself seem to prove.
This is why I hate internet "support groups". They are all, by definition, full of people who have the same problem. None of them have solved that problem. Nobody joins if they don't have that problem, so why would they? If one of them happens to solve the problem, by luck or by skill, they leave. So the people left are the ones who can't solve the problem. And the ones who are worst at solving the problem stay the longest. They become the most long-serving and respected members, the mods, the admins, even though they are by definition the least qualified of all the members there to set the rules or give advice.
People who have been able to get relationships have proven themselves to be completely incapable of solving my problems and it's usually a big fight just to get them to understand my circumstance because initially everything I say is taken as hyperbole, they give me advice for a step I can't even get to, I point out why that advice is useless for me at the moment, I reiterate my circumstances, I get told some unhelpful bullshit that basically just amounts to "go to public places and interact with women" and when I try to work out how to do that I just get accused of deflecting and refusing to do anything to fix my situation.
I don't think you realize how nice it is to be able to talk to people about my situation without having to go on a rant explaining everything and countering a dozen false accusations and misinterpretations or just being told that there's "more to life than sex".
The group becomes a race to the bottom where the most clueless failures are the ones giving advice to everyone else. And of course for many members the group becomes a big part of their social circle. If they solve their problem they lose all their friends - look at the way you are talking to me, I solved your problem, but you prefer advice from people who have no fucking idea how to solve your problem. Do you see the issue? There is an active incentive to fail as hard as possible in these places.
I don't even have friends from IS and you haven't solved any of my problems, this is exactly the kind of shit I was talking about with you people who act like you have all the answers and I'm somehow the one at fault. You say FUCK ALL and act like you've given me all the answers in the universe. I'm honestly not even sure what kind of solution you're talking about allegedly having provided me, telling me to go to therapy? I've already gone numerous times throughout my life to a number of different therapists and psychologists, none of them helps and they all only lead to me being more stressed and miserable due to having a busier schedule. I have to go through the same fucking ordeal with therapists as I do everyone else where I have to fight just to establish the situation that I'm stuck in.
Besides that if I don't get a woman from it then what's even the point? Living as a genetic dead end is a fate worse than death IMO as I'd just be a cuck working to support a world which I have no lineage in.
Talking to you is a lot like talking to a cult member. You don't really consider or engage with what I'm saying, not because I don't know what I'm talking about but because I'm not a member of the cult and therefore I am some kind of heathen whose ideas must be shunned. You spout the same repetitive ideas, ideas that have been proven to fail, you use the cult's language, you insist that the cult knows The Way despite all the evidence pointing to the exact opposite.
Funny, most people outside of incels are the ones who seem cultish to me with the way they insist that I either be content living as an isolated celibate slave or that I simply slave away harder and torture myself hoping that a woman comes along eventually, and the way they completely deny female sexual patterns.
This is why people get exasperated talking to you. You don't engage with ideas any more. You don't have any awareness of how you come across. The way you come across is as someone determined to be as unhappy as possible, to fight your way back into the crab bucket. You provide dumbshit canned responses to good advice. That's why people throw up their arms and say "Fine! Be miserable! But fuck off and be miserable somewhere else, I'm done with your shit."
The ideas I'm being presented with are the same shit that was pushed on me for most of my life at this point basically all of which I've tried and none of which have shown even the slightest signs of getting me closer to my goals.
Am I actually meant to just keep going through the motions of whatever I'm told by therapists and random people online no matter how many times I've tried it without success? It just feels like it's a cruel cycle designed to rob me of my time and money while gaslighting me into thinking that somehow next time will be different despite every previous life experience telling me otherwise.
One group is telling me to give all my time and money away going through humiliation rituals to "fix" me and likely not even get me a woman while telling me that my entire lifetime of experience is a huge abnormality and it's all my fault despite me trying everything I can to escape this situation, the other group allows me to keep my time, keep my money, doesn't humiliate me by making me pay to be gaslit, share similar life experiences to me and have a world view that actually makes sense and lines up with what I have personally observed.
Just based on that who do you expect me to believe? Hell I don't even know what you want me to believe except that I should go back to wasting my time and money at a therapist just to be told that I should be wasting my time and money going out doing things I have no interest in and would have no faith in being productive for the goal of getting a woman.
Newsflash: We DO have all the answers and you ARE the one at fault. Deal with it.
You haven't engaged with anything I said, you've told me that I've given you a load of advice that I haven't given you. Because I am a member of the outgroup you assume we all have the same thing to say, even though I didn't say any of those things. All outsiders are evil and ignorant, so sayeth the cult.
I have achieved what you want to achieve from a similar starting position to you. Yet you prefer to talk to fellow failures over someone who could help. Until you think about why that is and why you are still lonely and miserable nothing will change, but tbh I think deep down that's what you want anyway.
I have the answers you seek. But you're too scared to listen because you value clinging to your failed worldview over actually becoming happy. You are actively trying to be miserable. You are too scared to change. If you got over your ego and stop being such a massive pussy faggot you might achieve what you claim to want. But you are not talking or behaving like someone who wants romantic success. You are behaving and talking like a little bitch who is scared the truth will hurt his feelings.
You haven't engaged with anything I said, you've told me that I've given you a load of advice that I haven't given you. Because I am a member of the outgroup you assume we all have the same thing to say, even though I didn't say any of those things. All outsiders are evil and ignorant, so sayeth the cult.
have achieved what you want to achieve from a similar starting position to you. Yet you prefer to talk to fellow failures over someone who could help. Until you think about why that is and why you are still lonely and miserable nothing will change, but tbh I think deep down that's what you want anyway.
You claim to have but you haven't even described what you did, until you do I'm just talking it as another "at 14 I was horny and sexless then I met a bitch when I was 15 we had sex and I became normal and sexually successful afterwards" style of story.
I have the answers you seek. But you're too scared to listen because you value clinging to your failed worldview over actually becoming happy. You are actively trying to be miserable. You are too scared to change. If you got over your ego and stop being such a massive pussy faggot you might achieve what you claim to want. But you are not talking or behaving like someone who wants romantic success. You are behaving and talking like a little bitch who is scared the truth will hurt his feelings.
I've spent most of my life arguing with people like you about this exact topic and none of them have answers, they all act like they do, and they all love to play games making me act like their little slave while I waste my time and money doing the inane pointless shit they tell me to without success and then THEY BLAME ME FOR THEIR OWN FUCKING ADVICE NOT WORKING.
You say this as if it would be unthinkable for it to happen. A job where you could bullshit your way into securing a sale sounds like something that a lying sociopath would fit in.
I swear his entire family needed to get spayed and neutered a long time ago. His mom's insane, his aunt's a literal schizo and his dad's an alcoholic deadbeat. It's a special kind of hell when the only people in your family that want to help you are out of touch, clueless boomers that will never understand what you're going through. I couldn't imagine explaining Klinefelter's to his uncle.
He makes a good point about the dangers of full time streaming though.
DOLLFUCKER IS A PEDOPHILE AND TROONED OUT HE WAS BANNED FROM INCEL.IS THE END OF DOLLFUCKER
Dollfucker has trooned out and is a self proclaimed pedophile in what is called the larp of the century by incels.
In a desperate act of emotion and self hatred Dollfucker announces he will kill himself on June 9th, 2026 because he was "heartbroken" by a girl he just met. But first he admits that us Kiwifarmers are correct that he is a pedophile. He also showed off his actual child sex doll that he fucks, and this is not the only one that he has posted about.
And here he shows that he trooned out? But it is a fake image by the color of the hair and difference in face, as well as him simply reposting a reddit image.
He posted himself in the hospital but apparently it is a reuploaded image he previously posted months ago.
It seems he is trying to either stir news about him or try to get banned as soon as possible. Which is what happened, as he admitted and showed that hes a pedophile in his suicide bait post.
The explanation he gave was him being "heartbroken" over a chadfishing on a new girl who gave him his first kiss? But he neither showed a video this time, and neither did he explain much about it besides a random girl ghosting him on the first date, even though he has chadfished prior and uploaded the videos every time.
Perhaps the real reason was that he was shook by the post on Kiwifarms about him, just a few days before he made the suicide bait. He said he was scared we were going to dox him. Perhaps this is the real reason why he crashed out or sperged out and got himself banned.
The Dollfucker saga is over, his name doesn't pop up on filters and he was confirmed banned. He posts on Dollforums.com but I don't know his username. And I doubt he would go back to Incel.is, since he would get banned for using an alt and calling himself a pedophile.
Sorry to interrupt the DBDR appriciation thread, but I have a SecaNVKE for all you trucels.
I am surprised so few people mentioned him as well.
Dollfucker
An Assburgercel named Jacob, who makes his whole life revolving around fucking sex dolls while living in his mother's house as a real life NEET.
Found him out because he is a soyjak.party Gegbvll, who has a frog/pepe avatar.
I've spent most of my life arguing with people like you about this exact topic and none of them have answers, they all act like they do, and they all love to play games making me act like their little slave while I waste my time and money doing the inane pointless shit they tell me to without success and then THEY BLAME ME FOR THEIR OWN FUCKING ADVICE NOT WORKING.
There is no "incel to troon" pipeline. Dollfucker is the only I've encountered IIRC.
The confounding variable is autism. You are conflating the separate "autist to incel" and "autist to troon" pipelines. The second pipeline is far more evil, but its equally prominent because it has institutional power and backing behind it.
The reason for the "autist to incel" pipeline existing is pretty obvious and has been rehashed ad nauseam. Vide supra.
The reason for the "autist to troon" pipeline existing is somewhat less obvious, but it comes down to wokeism. Feminists demanded that you dismantle "oppressive patriarchal structures" and "gender roles". Over the decades, the Overton window shifted. They made it taboo to suggest that men and women might be different on a population level—that men might have more upper body strength on average, or that there was more variance in the distribution of male intelligence than that of female intelligence, for example. Once your ideology has already progressed to "men and women are entirely the same," it's only a very short leap to "malehood and femalehood are interchangeable". Transgenderism is simply the logical extension of feminism.
For normies, though, wokeism isn't a serious ideology. It's an aesthetic. It's social desirability bias usually perpetrated by demographics more prone to making decisions by social consensus (i.e. young foids). It's no surprise that wokeism captured universities and corporate HR departments around the same time as those institutions became foid-dominated. Talk to any conventionally attractive Ivy- or Oxbridge-educated middle-class foid. She'll espouse the same woke nonsense as the rest of her social circle. If you say that Eurocentric beauty standards are "problematic"or even "neo-colonial," she'll probably agree with you. But she won't actually live by wokeism. She'll still want to be seen as skinnier or fitter than her friends, as more feminine than her friends, and if you imply that she has gained weight or has a masculine gait she'll react with distress. Because deep down she isn't genuinely, ideologically committed to wokeness; she likes gender roles and all the benefits associated with fitting well within her assigned role.
The problem with autists is that, unlike normies, they have zero ability to understand social desirability bias. They have no ability to distinguish between 1) someone saying something batshit crazy for the sake of social consensus, and 2) someone being a true believer in a batshit crazy ideology, and so over time they allow themselves to become influenced by people in the latter category. So they unironically become receptive to "Hate being a man? You can become a woman!" because their radar for detecting truly batshit crazy people isn't there.
This also explains why there are so many troons in big tech, because 1) big tech attracts autists, and 2) autists have little to no defense against wokeism.
@PPEcel, I honestly believe that a huge chunk of incels, self-identified or not, are on the spectrum. Like, barring other potential comorbidities such as ADHD, depression, anxiety disorder, there isn't other explanation. If you know a thing or two about autism, you know that rumination is a pattern in the spectrum, which leads to obsessive behavior, crashing out, fits of rage, frowning, etc, and that might be a deterrent for women, thus making them chronically alone.
@PPEcel, I honestly believe that a huge chunk of incels, self-identified or not, are on the spectrum. Like, barring other potential comorbidities such as ADHD, depression, anxiety disorder, there isn't other explanation. If you know a thing or two about autism, you know that rumination is a pattern in the spectrum, which leads to obsessive behavior, crashing out, fits of rage, frowning, etc, and that might be a deterrent for women, thus making them chronically alone.
Can be autism but can also be any mental disorder that causes major social anxiety or causes you to self-isolate. Avoidant Personality Disorder, Agoraphobia, Schizoid Personality Disorder, BPD, etc.
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