How to get into Sonic?

[Springblossom]

I was curious about Sonic too, but I found this:

http://lparchive.org/Sonic-The-Hedgehog-2006/

Much more entertaining. These guys have apparently done most of the modern Sonic titles, and boy do they suck. (the games, not their commentary.)

I've seen that all the way through too. It'll pretty much kill your enthusiasm for getting into Sonic.

 

[José Mourinho]

Youtube Comment Reading time!

[youtube]BjyWXiZrSlQ[/youtube]

That's right. People are still raging about this 4-year-old review.

Wave 1

(2 weeks ago) IGN let me correct that for you

This review is big piece of garbage

(2 weeks ago) This man said a game I got was shit? Well, I'd better blindly defend it then, because mom and dad aren''t buying me another one.

(2 weeks ago) First I don't known the game I only played the demo and some part of the game at my friends house and it was great, Second unlike you mommy and daddy never bought me any gaming related material I need work to earn it. Third you Sir need to open your eyes for once

(2 weeks ago) So let's review: You don't own this game and only played a short demonstration and based on your limited exposure of this game, you've deemed it "great". Meanwhile, this guy plays this game and thousands of other games from beginning to end and evaluates every aspect of them whether he wants to or not, because it's his job. With all that into consideration, who has the most authority on the subject? I'm thinking the professional critic who actually FINISHED the game.

(1 week ago) You're still here? Why do you hate this game so much? There is nothing wrong with it. You keep saying that the were hog stages suck yet you never mention why besides glitches that NO ONE notices but you and your friends.

Wave 2

I hate that every game that tries to do something different in a series is bashed for it.

Mario carries a water thing instead of getting power ups? Mario sunshine sucks.

Sonic turns into a were hog instead of running fast? Sonic unleashed sucks

Ratched and clank do tower defense? Ratched and clank full frontal assault sucks.

This is the reason why nowadays we just have the same Mario, cod, and Zelda being milked over and over

Indeed, it seems when people complain about something being repetitive, developers add something new. Although when they do that, they also complain.

Although the reason why the cod games are the same is because activision can pass them off as different to stupid, gullible customers. So they can get their money.

I actually liked ratchet and clank full frontal assault but yeh

I got the trial of full frontal assault and liked it. I'm gonna buy it soon. What's your psn so we could play together when I get it?

Who says Mario Sunshine sucks

Here's why. Because they sucked at it while not being able to do these things called spinoffs.

Have you heard of the Shin Megami Tensei series? They know the RIGHT way to do spinoffs. Look at all the subserieses they have.

Lol I've seen your videos before... I know that you're a troll.

I thought Mario sunshine was awesome.

You speak the fucking sad truth

After going through these warehog levels and reading all the comments that defend it, I genuinely believe that they are written by people who are either (A.) being bribed or threatened by Sega to say nice things about them (B.) have just got into gaming and have not played games like Double Dragon, Devil May Cry, God of War, or any superior brawlers or (C.) Ex-employees of Sega who try to defend their idea that got them fired. Either way, I'm glad neither Sega nor history agrees with you.

Or people like the puzzles, platforming, and combat in the were hog stages.

If you're going to say God of war (I haven't played the others you mentioned) is better at least name why. The wetehog has tons of combos and quick time events and defeating enemies is satisfying. Also, some people are like me and don't like the amount of violence in the God of war games.

When I think of good puzzles, I think of Monkey Island, Professor Layton, or Portal. When I think of good platforming, I think of Super Mario World, Prince of Persia, or Rayman. I don't think of stretchy arms with bad targeting, annoying bottomless pits, or awful camera angles that cause you to die. Also, I think you pretty much proved one of my points when you said "I haven't played the others you mentioned." They control better, offer more variety, and are more polished than the warehog.

I said good puzzle not amazing puzzle.

What you said about platforming is just your opinion. If you don't like the wetehog stages just shut up and enjoy the games you do like. You don't have to bash people that don't after with your opinion.

Isn't God of war considered the best hack n' slash game? I've seen gameplay of the others and while they are more polished than were hog stages that doesn't mean that the wrtehog sucks.

nah, bayonetta or devil may cry 3 are considered the best, generally. god of war is considered the best by god of war fans.

Bayonetta sucks on ps3 which is what I played it on.

My point was just that you can't complain about the were hog stages. You might not like them butt you have to admit they're well designed. They might not be the best hack n' slash stages but no one complains about sonic color's power ups not being as good as Mario's.

I said good puzzles as well.

Yes, enjoyment of a game is subjective, but if you're going to play that card, I offer this to you as a rebuttal: tell me how much fun you had falling into pits not because of your lack of gaming skills, but because the camera didn't give you a good enough view or your stupid stretchy arm move was off target. Were you happy about the prospect of having to fight enemy after enemy and then wandering around an empty area all over again to get back to where you died?

No offense but you suck at this game. The camera and arm moves work fine and I have never seen ANYONE complain about those things in this game but you. Not even this stupid review that bashes this game complains about the camera or stretchy arms.

Yahtzee Croshaw, Matt Casamassina, Ben Reeves, and just about everyone I know who played this game complained about the camera and the arm. You must be really out of touch with games if you can't find any faults in the werehog stages.

Also, I find it a bit hypocritical that you berate me for asking you to articulately explain your enjoyment of this game and then proceed to call this review "stupid." Why? Because he disagrees with you? At least he adequately explained the reasons of his view.

Or....they could just genuinely just like the Werehog levels?

See reason B.

Preach it, i agree 100%. People are just never satisfied with anything nowadays. All that matters to me though is that I enjoyed every single bit of this game, absolutely love it. The Werehog stages were great imo.

Well, in Sonic's case, the problem was that the games went too far with trying different things. There's nothing wrong with adding something new, but if it's to the point where it causes an identity crisis with the rest of the game, there's a problem. The biggest problem with this game and the Adventure games was that it felt like you were forced to play multiple, different games in one. For an example, for half of Unleashed I'm playing a platformer ... and the other half a beat-em-up?

I don't see how that's a bad thing. How is an identy crisis? Games like sly cooper and little big planet do these things but no one complains.

Wave 3
(a.k.a. BAWWWWW! THIS GAME DID NOT GET A 10/10!!!1ONE)

you fucking asshole you dont understand sonic unleashed. your a jackass sonic unleashed is 10.0

IGN is a BIG piece of shit not Sonic Unleashed. I give this game a 9.5 out of 10.

He is actually talking about Sonic Free Riders which they gave 7.5. yeah that's right this game should get a 10 if they gave sonic free riders a 7.5. This game is a 6 and sonic free riders is a 1

you know why sonic pocket adventure got 10/10. Because IGN is kiss-ass to nearly every 2d sonic just because it is in 2d

Wave 4

0:29 let me correct this.

"Someone at IGN hates the hedgehog with all his might and he is going about sabotage the franchise with these awful reviews."

(Note from Alan Pardew: This joke died years ago.)

Give me one reason not to hate Sonic at this point.

i'm gonna give you 3 reasons...

1-It's fucking sonic,you can't hate the character.

2-The games are getting better every time (Sonic Colors,Sonic Generations)

3-Sonic Team (the developers) are listening to fans and are improving the games.

Again,if you don't like sonic,that's okay with me,i'm not gonna rage or anything (and i'm a big sonic fan btw) It's a matter of opinion. If you plan on playing sonic games again this is the right time to do it.

This review on the other hand is BULLSHIT.

I agree, this review is shit but I still think Sonic is crap. 1. I can hate Sonic. He's a pretty annoying character. At least Mario doesn't talk. 2. Colors is okay. Generations is just a rehash of old levels. It doesn't deserve any credit. And it's not even fun and the controls sucks. 3. Sonic Team should've listened to the fans about 10 years ago

wait,did you say "Rehash"?,you have no idea how the levels look and play do you?

anyways...yeah Sonic Team should have listened to us a while back,true that,i don't want to get on an argument. Don't like sonic? that's okay with me. You should be afraid of the rest of the fanbase though.

 

[DykesDykesChina]

All righty. Yesterday I went to a gaming party at a culture center in my town... And lo and behold, there was some zippin Sonic right there to be played:

Okay, now what is so great about this?? I liked Commander Keen back in the days, but this stuff just sucks...

Also, why doesn't Tails rotate all the time while flying? He doesn't have a vertical rotor to balance angular momentum, so his body should spin out of control. Maybe his tail is in fact a hot-tipped active rotor.

 

[TastyWoodenBadge]

Youtube Comment Reading time!

[youtube]BjyWXiZrSlQ[/youtube]

That's right. People are still raging about this 4-year-old review.

Wave 1

(2 weeks ago) IGN let me correct that for you

This review is big piece of garbage

(2 weeks ago) This man said a game I got was shit? Well, I'd better blindly defend it then, because mom and dad aren''t buying me another one.

(2 weeks ago) First I don't known the game I only played the demo and some part of the game at my friends house and it was great, Second unlike you mommy and daddy never bought me any gaming related material I need work to earn it. Third you Sir need to open your eyes for once

(2 weeks ago) So let's review: You don't own this game and only played a short demonstration and based on your limited exposure of this game, you've deemed it "great". Meanwhile, this guy plays this game and thousands of other games from beginning to end and evaluates every aspect of them whether he wants to or not, because it's his job. With all that into consideration, who has the most authority on the subject? I'm thinking the professional critic who actually FINISHED the game.

(1 week ago) You're still here? Why do you hate this game so much? There is nothing wrong with it. You keep saying that the were hog stages suck yet you never mention why besides glitches that NO ONE notices but you and your friends.

Wave 2

I hate that every game that tries to do something different in a series is bashed for it.

Mario carries a water thing instead of getting power ups? Mario sunshine sucks.

Sonic turns into a were hog instead of running fast? Sonic unleashed sucks

Ratched and clank do tower defense? Ratched and clank full frontal assault sucks.

This is the reason why nowadays we just have the same Mario, cod, and Zelda being milked over and over

Indeed, it seems when people complain about something being repetitive, developers add something new. Although when they do that, they also complain.

Although the reason why the cod games are the same is because activision can pass them off as different to stupid, gullible customers. So they can get their money.

I actually liked ratchet and clank full frontal assault but yeh

I got the trial of full frontal assault and liked it. I'm gonna buy it soon. What's your psn so we could play together when I get it?

Who says Mario Sunshine sucks

Here's why. Because they sucked at it while not being able to do these things called spinoffs.

Have you heard of the Shin Megami Tensei series? They know the RIGHT way to do spinoffs. Look at all the subserieses they have.

Lol I've seen your videos before... I know that you're a troll.

I thought Mario sunshine was awesome.

You speak the fucking sad truth

After going through these warehog levels and reading all the comments that defend it, I genuinely believe that they are written by people who are either (A.) being bribed or threatened by Sega to say nice things about them (B.) have just got into gaming and have not played games like Double Dragon, Devil May Cry, God of War, or any superior brawlers or (C.) Ex-employees of Sega who try to defend their idea that got them fired. Either way, I'm glad neither Sega nor history agrees with you.

Or people like the puzzles, platforming, and combat in the were hog stages.

If you're going to say God of war (I haven't played the others you mentioned) is better at least name why. The wetehog has tons of combos and quick time events and defeating enemies is satisfying. Also, some people are like me and don't like the amount of violence in the God of war games.

When I think of good puzzles, I think of Monkey Island, Professor Layton, or Portal. When I think of good platforming, I think of Super Mario World, Prince of Persia, or Rayman. I don't think of stretchy arms with bad targeting, annoying bottomless pits, or awful camera angles that cause you to die. Also, I think you pretty much proved one of my points when you said "I haven't played the others you mentioned." They control better, offer more variety, and are more polished than the warehog.

I said good puzzle not amazing puzzle.

What you said about platforming is just your opinion. If you don't like the wetehog stages just shut up and enjoy the games you do like. You don't have to bash people that don't after with your opinion.

Isn't God of war considered the best hack n' slash game? I've seen gameplay of the others and while they are more polished than were hog stages that doesn't mean that the wrtehog sucks.

nah, bayonetta or devil may cry 3 are considered the best, generally. god of war is considered the best by god of war fans.

Bayonetta sucks on ps3 which is what I played it on.

My point was just that you can't complain about the were hog stages. You might not like them butt you have to admit they're well designed. They might not be the best hack n' slash stages but no one complains about sonic color's power ups not being as good as Mario's.

I said good puzzles as well.

Yes, enjoyment of a game is subjective, but if you're going to play that card, I offer this to you as a rebuttal: tell me how much fun you had falling into pits not because of your lack of gaming skills, but because the camera didn't give you a good enough view or your stupid stretchy arm move was off target. Were you happy about the prospect of having to fight enemy after enemy and then wandering around an empty area all over again to get back to where you died?

No offense but you suck at this game. The camera and arm moves work fine and I have never seen ANYONE complain about those things in this game but you. Not even this stupid review that bashes this game complains about the camera or stretchy arms.

Yahtzee Croshaw, Matt Casamassina, Ben Reeves, and just about everyone I know who played this game complained about the camera and the arm. You must be really out of touch with games if you can't find any faults in the werehog stages.

Also, I find it a bit hypocritical that you berate me for asking you to articulately explain your enjoyment of this game and then proceed to call this review "stupid." Why? Because he disagrees with you? At least he adequately explained the reasons of his view.

Or....they could just genuinely just like the Werehog levels?

See reason B.

Preach it, i agree 100%. People are just never satisfied with anything nowadays. All that matters to me though is that I enjoyed every single bit of this game, absolutely love it. The Werehog stages were great imo.

Well, in Sonic's case, the problem was that the games went too far with trying different things. There's nothing wrong with adding something new, but if it's to the point where it causes an identity crisis with the rest of the game, there's a problem. The biggest problem with this game and the Adventure games was that it felt like you were forced to play multiple, different games in one. For an example, for half of Unleashed I'm playing a platformer ... and the other half a beat-em-up?

I don't see how that's a bad thing. How is an identy crisis? Games like sly cooper and little big planet do these things but no one complains.

Wave 3
(a.k.a. BAWWWWW! THIS GAME DID NOT GET A 10/10!!!1ONE)

you fucking asshole you dont understand sonic unleashed. your a jackass sonic unleashed is 10.0

IGN is a BIG piece of shit not Sonic Unleashed. I give this game a 9.5 out of 10.

He is actually talking about Sonic Free Riders which they gave 7.5. yeah that's right this game should get a 10 if they gave sonic free riders a 7.5. This game is a 6 and sonic free riders is a 1

you know why sonic pocket adventure got 10/10. Because IGN is kiss-ass to nearly every 2d sonic just because it is in 2d

Wave 4

0:29 let me correct this.

"Someone at IGN hates the hedgehog with all his might and he is going about sabotage the franchise with these awful reviews."

(Note from Alan Pardew: This joke died years ago.)

Give me one reason not to hate Sonic at this point.

i'm gonna give you 3 reasons...

1-It's fucking sonic,you can't hate the character.

2-The games are getting better every time (Sonic Colors,Sonic Generations)

3-Sonic Team (the developers) are listening to fans and are improving the games.

Again,if you don't like sonic,that's okay with me,i'm not gonna rage or anything (and i'm a big sonic fan btw) It's a matter of opinion. If you plan on playing sonic games again this is the right time to do it.

This review on the other hand is BULLSHIT.

I agree, this review is shit but I still think Sonic is crap. 1. I can hate Sonic. He's a pretty annoying character. At least Mario doesn't talk. 2. Colors is okay. Generations is just a rehash of old levels. It doesn't deserve any credit. And it's not even fun and the controls sucks. 3. Sonic Team should've listened to the fans about 10 years ago

wait,did you say "Rehash"?,you have no idea how the levels look and play do you?

anyways...yeah Sonic Team should have listened to us a while back,true that,i don't want to get on an argument. Don't like sonic? that's okay with me. You should be afraid of the rest of the fanbase though.

It's the Sonic Fanbase, say one minor complaint about Sonic and you will be flamed to oblivion, Also I hate how some people bash Generations (A good game IMO, but too short) for rehashing old levels, well no shit it's a game that celebrates Sonic's 20th ANNIVERSARY, of course it's going to feature levels from older games like Green Hill, City Escape etc.

About IGN I do remember them calling the rings "coins" in their Shadow the Hedgehog review, so I don't take their Sonic game reviews very seriously.

 

[José Mourinho]

So.. Sonic Lost World is out, and IGN gave it a 5.8 for the Wii U, and there goes the outrage from the Sonic fanbase.

The IGN Review:

Spoiler

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Some videos regarding the outrage:

Spoiler

[youtube]dMByC5O5h1M[/youtube]
[youtube]Y82bXkCtVKw[/youtube]
[youtube]EJCzpr9kJJE[/youtube]
(Even mariotehplumber talks about this)
[youtube]G5estyNkEJ0[/youtube]

https://www.change.org/petitions/ign-re ... orld#share
There's even a fucking petition for IGN to redo the review despite there are other reviewers who also gave mediocre to negative reviews about Sonic Lost World on the Wii U.

 

[random_pickle]

I would suggest getting SADX for the PC. It's not on Steam, it's on a disc. If you can get past some glitches and shitty voice acting, it has:

Unlock able older games (Sonic, Sonic 2 etc)

Chao garden (a pet simulator, believe me, it's a fun way to kill some time)

6 playable characters, each with different gameplay styles

Mission mode (complete missions that you find in the hub world)

The only sympathetic character in the entire franchise (E-101 Gamma)

The game is very easy to mod and has a decent community of modders.

 

[exball]

Sonic 1, 2, 3 & Knuckles, and CD.

If you want to play 1 game that will be Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

Hi Sammy!

 

[Bob's Fries]

Proclaim the series dead to its sperging fans and throw pennies at them.

 

[José Mourinho]

I would suggest getting SADX for the PC. It's not on Steam, it's on a disc. If you can get past some glitches and shitty voice acting, it has:

Unlock able older games (Sonic, Sonic 2 etc)

Chao garden (a pet simulator, believe me, it's a fun way to kill some time)

6 playable characters, each with different gameplay styles

Mission mode (complete missions that you find in the hub world)

The only sympathetic character in the entire franchise (E-101 Gamma)

The game is very easy to mod and has a decent community of modders.

For me, SADX is an okayish game. The adventure stages are okay to me and kinda fun, (except we can all agree about the Big The Cat one - what is SEGA thinking with this mode) The Chao Garden is pretty fun to pass the time though, which I spent the most time on this mode in this game.

I have a mod for SADX for the PC which you can edit the Chao in the garden. Forgot where's the link, but you can edit the colors and the emotions of the Chao. You could even get a Tails Chao too.

Haven't played the game like years. Wonder should I get back to it.

 

[Zim]

One does not simply "get into" Sonic.

You must first study the way of BLAST PROCESSING!

 

[TastyWoodenBadge]

One does not simply "get into" Sonic.

You must first study the way of BLAST PROCESSING!

It does what Nintendon't

 

[Asuka]

I'm actually a huge fan of Sonic. But I'm not proud of it, considering the fanbase it's produced. I will also admit that I have every single issue of the Sonic USA comic as well.

I played Sonic ever since I first laid my grubby hands on a Genesis controller when I was around 5 years old, and I believe it was Sonic 2 I played. Today, it's meh. I personally find the first game a hell of a lot enjoyable. Sonic CD is my favorite classic Sonic game whilst Sonic Adventure 2 is my favorite modern (Although Rush and Rush Adventure were pretty good too).

 

[TastyWoodenBadge]

I'm actually a huge fan of Sonic. But I'm not proud of it, considering the fanbase it's produced. I will also admit that I have every single issue of the Sonic USA comic as well.

I played Sonic ever since I first laid my grubby MANOS on a Genesis controller when I was around 5 years old, and I believe it was Sonic 2 I played. Today, it's meh. I personally find the first game a hell of a lot enjoyable. Sonic CD is my favorite classic Sonic game whilst Sonic Adventure 2 is my favorite modern (Although Rush and Rush Adventure were pretty good too).

I'm going on record to say that:

Favourite classic 2D game- Sonic 2
Favourite modern 2D game- Rush Adventure
Favourite 3D game- Generations (never played the Adventure series or Colours, I have mostly played the less than stellar 3D titles )

 

[Asuka]

Colors was boring to me. It literally follows the same sort of level design for each zone and it was pretty quick to complete, probably the shortest Sonic game in my opinion.

I have yet to play Generations (needa dispenser PS3 here) but from gameplay videos it doesn't seem too bad. I heard it's at least better with the controls than the clunky gameplay in Sonic 4 (which I loathe) so whatever it takes!

I'm sorry that you had to witness Sonic '06. People who have the audacity to say that it's "not that bad of a game" are idiots.

 

[random_pickle]

Colors was boring to me. It literally follows the same sort of level design for each zone and it was pretty quick to complete, probably the shortest Sonic game in my opinion.

I have yet to play Generations (needa dispenser PS3 here) but from gameplay videos it doesn't seem too bad. I heard it's at least better with the controls than the clunky gameplay in Sonic 4 (which I loathe) so whatever it takes!

I'm sorry that you had to witness Sonic '06. People who have the audacity to say that it's "not that bad of a game" are idiots.

Personally, if some patches were released for Sonic '06, it might have been passable.

 

[TastyWoodenBadge]

People who have the audacity to say that it's "not that bad of a game" are idiots.

One person actually proclaimed 06 "the best Sonic game ever" (he's been discussed here on another thread)

http://forums.sega.com/showthread.p...-great-game-and-why-it-s-should-be-liked-more

And this guy isn't trolling, he is dead fucking serious.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I admit I used to be a Sonic fan back in the 2D days.

I honestly can't leave without saying the series has gone to Hell.

 

[exball]

I'm actually a huge fan of Sonic. But I'm not proud of it, considering the fanbase it's produced. I will also admit that I have every single issue of the Sonic USA comic as well.

I played Sonic ever since I first laid my grubby MANOS on a Genesis controller when I was around 5 years old, and I believe it was Sonic 2 I played. Today, it's meh. I personally find the first game a hell of a lot enjoyable. Sonic CD is my favorite classic Sonic game whilst Sonic Adventure 2 is my favorite modern (Although Rush and Rush Adventure were pretty good too).

I'm going on record to say that:

Favourite classic 2D game- Sonic 2
Favourite modern 2D game- Rush Adventure
Favourite 3D game- Generations (never played the Adventure series or Colours, I have mostly played the less than stellar 3D titles )

Good. I never liked Colors and don't understand why other people do.

 

[TastyWoodenBadge]

Good. I never liked Colors and don't understand why other people do.

I don't hate Colours, I just haven't played it.

 

[PvtRichardCranium]

If a real man wants a game from the 90's a real man will play Doom.