How much sexual abuse do you think the Gnostics were doing?

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14 Maj 2019
I have been arguing for a while that Gnosticism is deserving mostly of contempt (intellectually interesting but contemptible) and I believe, personally, that it's the direct equivalent of modern cults. You've got some asshole who claims that he has S P E C I A L K N O W L E D G E that normalfaggots can't access, and he will secretly let you, because you are a most special boy/girl, in on this if only you do these secret rituals.

You're gonna get raped. Common sense says that if the guru is talking about how there's a special class of people in this world that are smarter than everybody else, and he has secret wisdom to dispense, that secret wisdom is his cum.

I don't know that all the crap the Church Fathers wrote about them was correct, but I absolutely believe that the average cell of Gnostics was like Jonestown.
 
Gnosticism at its core is a rejection of the material world. In order to find enlightenment, a follower must reject the physical to liberate the spirit. Celibacy was practiced by believers, but was not mandatory.

The reason Gnosticism became heresy is because it taught that the world (and God in the OT) was fundamentally evil. There's no proof of any kind of sexual exploitation.
 
Modern sex cults exist because the god of the modern world is individualism. Historically, ritualized sex in pagan settings were always in service to whichever god was being worshipped: in 456 BC, it was Zeus; in 2026 AD, it is the ego.

Cults back then were just so fundamentally different to how cults are run today, that it's hard to definitively say if there was sexual extortion (but I wager there probably was).

As for neo-gnostic spliter groups: the Rosicrucians, Sabbateans, and White Lotus societies engaged in a LOT of sex rituals, so if we extrapolate backwards in time, it isn't unfair to say that there were likely some gnostic and manichaeist sects that practiced ritualized sex.
 
Modern sex cults exist because the god of the modern world is individualism. Historically, ritualized sex in pagan settings were always in service to whichever god was being worshipped: in 456 BC, it was Zeus; in 2026 AD, it is the ego.

Cults back then were just so fundamentally different to how cults are run today, that it's hard to definitively say if there was sexual extortion (but I wager there probably was).

As for neo-gnostic spliter groups: the Rosicrucians, Sabbateans, and White Lotus societies engaged in a LOT of sex rituals, so if we extrapolate backwards in time, it isn't unfair to say that there were likely some gnostic and manichaeist sects that practiced ritualized sex.
Most of it is just Jewish Tantrism, or really just Left hand path work that blends in well with the current liberal individualist ideology, which is why its soo popular now. It's rumored tantrism was one of the secrets the Templars found while in the middle east, preserved by the sufis whom the Templars interacted with and eventually brought the secrets back to the occident.
 
You've got some asshole who claims that he has S P E C I A L K N O W L E D G E that normalfaggots can't access, and he will secretly let you, because you are a most special boy/girl, in on this if only you do these secret rituals.

This sounds like every single religion ever. The difference is in the recruitment pitch.

>you're special/smart/better/perfect/redeemable/etc. why aren't you doing X, that way you'll receive Y

Come on, man. Did you even read what you wrote?
 
Literally nil. This is the equivalent of asking how many Buddhist sex cults are around.

Imams, Rabbis and Pastors commit sexual immorality way more than any Gnostic or Buddhist could ever dream of.

Modern sex cults exist because the god of the modern world is individualism.
To say nothing that a lot of these sex cults ostensibly ran on Christian values like the Korean Jesus Morning Star.
 
Gnosticism at its core is a rejection of the material world. In order to find enlightenment, a follower must reject the physical to liberate the spirit. Celibacy was practiced by believers, but was not mandatory.
And how many "enlightenment seeking" cults are just fronts for sexual deviants? (All of them, its all of them)

Buddhist sex cults
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"Saar i must suck a young boy's tongue to escape samsara"
 
Saar i must suck a young boy's tongue to escape samsara
Dalai Lama is an establishment plant and is like 0.0000001% of Buddhists. Most of them are too senile to dabble in that sort of stuff. And I meant literally.


And how many "enlightenment seeking" cults are just fronts for sexual deviants? (All of them, its all of them)
The cults of Ancient Rome and Greece aren't Xenu cults telling you to pay 8 billion shekels to drink the kool-aid during Helter Skelter. They are proper religious institutions because one world religion doesn't exist yet.
 
Most of them are too senile to dabble in that sort of stuff. And I meant literally.
Westoid fetishization of Buddhism is so gay, they are humans just like the rest of us, regardless of belief, those with power and authority use it to abuse others in all manner of ways.

And thats my point, the ideals of a belief system matters less at rooting out degens as it is the mechanisms in a belief system's organization to root out said degens.
 
This sounds like every single religion ever. The difference is in the recruitment pitch.

>you're special/smart/better/perfect/redeemable/etc. why aren't you doing X, that way you'll receive Y

Come on, man. Did you even read what you wrote?
Christianity hides its rituals and scriptures?
Christianity teaches there’s a special class of supermen?

And thats my point, the ideals of a belief system matters less at rooting out degens as it is the mechanisms in a belief system's organization to root out said degens.
This guy gets it. It’s the secret teaching + small group isolation that sets off mega-rape alarm bells.
 
This guy gets it. It’s the secret teaching + small group isolation that sets off mega-rape alarm bells.
It's either secret teaching + small group isolation OR big organized religion. Because I am 99.99% sure that the Vatican is a mega-rape industry and has been since its conception.

Christianity teaches there’s a special class of supermen?
Jews. The Bible contradicts itself every other paragraph but it's very clear where it's heading towards.
 
Most of it is just Jewish Tantrism, or really just Left hand path work that blends in well with the current liberal individualist ideology, which is why its soo popular now. It's rumored tantrism was one of the secrets the Templars found while in the middle east, preserved by the sufis whom the Templars interacted with and eventually brought the secrets back to the occident.
For context.

There is...among the Indians a heresy of those who philosophize among the Brahmins, who live a self- sufficient life, abstaining from (eating) living creatures and all cooked food...They say that God is light, not like the light one sees, nor like the sun nor fire, but to them God is discourse, not that which finds expression in articulate sounds, but that of knowledge (gnosis) through which the secret mysteries of nature are perceived by the wise.2

What Hippolytus describes could very well be one of the four valid Hindu paths to salvation, Jnana yoga, or salvation through the discipline of knowledge. The etymological similarity between Jnana and Gnosis is hard to miss, and the common soterologies invites closer inspection. To Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita, knowledge means "Humility, sincerity, nonviolence, patience, honesty, reverence for on's teacher, purity, stability, self restraint..."3 Not arguing Krishna's point--these are all very commendable virtues--but there is more to this question than this shallow list of behaviors. In most cultures, knowledge and language are closely linked; this is certainly true of the two traditions in question. For the Jew and the Christian, it is the power of the word (or the Word) that set the Universe in motion. God spoke and the Universe blazed into being. Knowing something's name in most native traditions gives one power over it. For the Brahmin, the words of the mantras established in "elementary form the basic correspondences between being, sound, languages, and thought and between macrocosm and microcosm."4 All this says a lot about a bunch of sounds, but as Seyyed Hossein Nasr says in Knowledge and the Sacred,

"This illumination in turn enables man to realize that the very essence of things is God's knowledge of them and that there is a reciprocity and, finally, identity between knowing and being. The intellect becomes transformed into what it knows, the highest object of that knowledge being God."5

Although Nasr is discussing early Christianity, his observations are equally applicable to the two traditions in question. Knowledge, in both, contains Universal power and identity with the Known.

It is this "identity with the Known" that drives the traditions. In Tantrism, duality is the natural order of things. It is the goal of Tantric practice to reach beyond the illusion of duality and experience the unity that gives birth to all of being. Breaching this veil, one attains moksha, becoming released from the cycle of rebirth and suffering. One then "knows" Brahman, the unity. It is similar with Gnosticism, in that in the beginning, divine Wisdom (Sophia) became separated from the Godhead, and whose misadventures resulted in the creation of an evil demiurge (Yaweh). Yaweh in turn, created the world, and who, with his minions, holds all of our beings in a perpetual cycle of rebirth and suffering until the basic, primal duality is rectified. Once the duality is amended, the believer has obtained cosmic immunity from the wiles of the Monster demiurge and his minions and "knows" the real God beyond and above this mess. These traditions speak of similar situations couched in their own peculiar mythos, and although Gnosticism is considerably more bitter in attitude, both also find release in similar ways.

Common to both traditions is the importance of serpent imagery. This imagery in Hinduism goes back quite a ways; in the Shatapatha Brahmana (compiled about 1000 BCE) it is said that true knowledge, "the Veda, is in fact the wisdom of the serpent."6 In Tantra, the serpent is Shiva, the masculine principal, which lies dormant at the base of the spine. It is the goal of the practitioner to "wake Shiva up," which results in the rise latent power called "Kundalini." When the Kundalini serpent rises through the system of chakras, it, if carried to its intended end, unites with the "thousand-petalled lotus," the final chakra which represents the feminine energy of the universe. This union brings the salvific knowledge which releases one from rebirth. In the Gnostic mythos, the serpent is sent by the Real God to foil Yahweh's plans to hold Adam and Eve in the slavery of ignorance. The serpent persuades Eve to break Yaweh's law by eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Once done, the first humans' eyes were opened and they were released from Yahweh's evil spell. It is the serpent (the phallos/masculine) who invaded the Garden (feminine) that gained release from deadly ignorance. The serpent was the Gnostics' primary symbol of power. They were worshipped as divine and some Gnostic consecrated the Eucharistic bread by letting serpents slither all over it on the altar.

There are other mythic elements these traditions hold in common as well, such as the hierarchical system of powers that govern the world. M.P. Pandit writes that, for the Hindu, it is from the regional traditions of gods and goddesses that,

...there have emanated a number of subsidiary powers, Shaktis and Vibhutis to participate in the activity of the Cosmos. A number of Beings and Powers in the worlds that constitute the gradations above our physical world...derive from the Higher Godheads and are there to help the outflowering of the Divine manifestation, each with his or her specific charge. They are the numerous Devatas, Beings of Light....There are also beings and powers who are of a different character--beings of darkness. Some of them are what may be fittingly called the fallen angels."7

From the Gnostics' experience there are mostly fallen angels, but there are plenty of those. There is nothing about this universe even remotely good or wonderful. The Gnostics called these levels of manifestation (in this case, manifestation of evil) Archons, from the Greek Arche, beginning or origin, and the source of our word "archetype."

Another parallel occurs in the systems' categorizations of people. Both propose three distinct "types":

1. Tamasic (Sanskrit)/Hylic (Greek): Those who are inert, dull and governed primarily by needs and impulsions of the physical nature. "Animal" man or "material" man best describe these types.

2. Rajasic/psychic: Those who by nature are restless, possessing spiritual sensitivity but not ready or worthy of enlightenment (Orthodox Christians, if you ask the Gnostics).

3. Deva/Pnuematic: The refined, spiritual elite, the "divine men" of the Tantrists and "spiritual men" of the Gnostics.8

It is no mystery what group those who held such categorizations fell into. And, as such, practitioners of both traditions engaged in certain rites preparatory to the attainment of their goals. The number five seems to be important to both traditions. For the Gnostics, there are four sacramental rituals before the (fifth) sacrament of union. Likewise, in Tantra, there are four ritual "indiscretions" before the (fifth) "ultimate indiscretion" of holy union. There are also five "sheaths" of the body, five "body" chakras to ascend before the "divine" chakras, Ajna and Sahasrara. Both ritual progressions are preceeded by a rite of bathing (baptism, for the Gnostic).9 Another common ritual is the smearing of ashes or oil on the head of the initiate. Ash, for the Tantrist, invokes Agni, the god of fire; while oil, for the Gnostic, symbolizes fire as well, but a purificatory fire, in complement to the water cleansing.

Though these correspondences are very interesting, it is the culminating ritual in both traditions that most concerns us. For it is within both that the actual act of sexual intercourse translates the initiate through the veil of illusion into union with the divine and awards possession of divine knowledge. For the Tantrist, the

"intrinsic duality, is considered to be the source of all change and sorrow and suffering....The ultimate aim of each human being's spiritual strivings should be, so it is held, an escape from the world of duality into an existence in which the opposites are transformed into a higher unity.10
This "higher unity" is the result of a "reuniting for the instant of sexual orgasm, thus evoking 'androgynous Shiva,' the Ardhanarishvara, and the oneness of the Beginning...The law of duality [is] suspended."11

For the Gnostic, this final rite was known as "the bridal chamber." The use of sexual imagery to symbolize human union with the divine is not unfamiliar to orthodox Christians or Jews, indeed, canonical sources are rich with it. The Song of Songs in both Jewish and Christian interpretations positively drips with sexually unabashed language and with spiritual overtones that suggest much more than they actually say, and even approach Indra's exploits in the Vedas in explicitness. In the Christian scriptures, Jesus often relates parables in which he casts himself as the bridegroom and the souls of humankind as the bride. In the Gnostic mythos, it is Jesus' role (as redeemer) to reunite with Sophia, and, mythically, to allow humankind with the help of gendered angels (with whom the initiates "join") to share in that mystery "It was for this purpose that his body came into being. On that day he came forth from the bridal bedroom as from what comes to pass between a bridegroom and a bride."12 In the Gnostic scripture, The Gospel of Philip, it is written "When you make the two one, and when you make the inner as the outer and the outer as the inner and the above as the below and when you make the male and the female into a single one...then shall you enter the kingdom."13

One must not make the mistake of thinking that either of these paths are for the hedon. As tittilating as they appear to the casual investigator, both are for nothing less than the most disciplined initiate, whose sole end is not pleasure, but bliss, whose only source is direct knowledge of the divine.

When therefore, the Vira eats, drinks or has sexual intercourse he does so not with the thought of himself as a separate individual satisfying his own peculiar limited wants; an animal filching as it were from nature the enjoyment he has, but thinking of himself in such enjoyment as Shiva....And when the sadhaka enters into union with his woman...it is not done as a means for the gratification of passions; it is conceived by both the partners as a veritable creative act of union between the Supreme Shiva and Shakti. Both have to raise themselves to their highest state of consciousness, forget their petty humanity and be nothing more, also nothing less, than embodiments of the Ishwara and Ishwari. In this way is the whole of life sought to be transformed into an act of worship and a Yajna.14

This is no less true for the Gnostic; in fact, one Gnostic sect believed there are 365 levels of archons to break through to escape this world. The only way to break their hold was through achieving union. So, for this sect, the goal was to seek union with a different woman every day--without fail--for 365 days. Talk about a discipline! It could not have ceased to be pleasurable very long after beginning on this path. For the Gnostic, the bridal chamber was the holy of holies, the most mysterious of all their rituals, and the most efficacious. After completion, the initiate was considered free from the Archons' power, even before death. It is also quite telling that the Hebrew word for knowledge, "Yada," the equivalent of the Greek "gnosis" and the sanskrit "jnana" includes among its primary connotations sexual knowledge, as in the biblical passage "And Adam knew his wife again..."15
 
Historically, ritualized sex in pagan settings were always in service to whichever god was being worshipped: in
isn't the whole point of Yaldabaoth that something something material world is evil? Pagans at least revere physical and material concepts so them having diddy blud parties in praise of some forest god makes sense from their perspective. How would a gnostic square that circle and convince the followers of his sect to have some jewish shahinah wall humping sex ritual while decrying material existence?
 
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