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I read somewhere that this is what people say about kids who experienced death in the family. It's not a good thing.
On that same day yesterday six hours later, my dad called me and said my uncle died of a heat attack. He was crying and I just wished him a happy birthday (my uncle). Im still shaken up by that, he was having a bad reaction to kemo therapy and had cardiac arrest. Dont know when the funeral is but I hope my cousins are okay. Its scary that you mention that though.
 
Don't really know if that's in the cards but it was nice to realize I have tge freedom and ability to do that.
You’re welcome. You did the right thing. Just put the question to her and leave it with her. Don’t push it, There will at some point be a need for someone to do more, and she will at least think of you. Keep on learning and being useful. Keep things cordial with your peers too, you do better with them inside than off.
I am still trying to get my bearings and go back to normal after the earthquake in my city.
Give it time. That’s a very unpleasant experience and you will need a bit of time.
Fun and games until you go "- that comes with a new title and pay".
I can’t give my people new titles and pay because I am far too low in the ladder, but I do my best to give them opportunities to expand, expose them to more senior tasks, give them training and mentorship and where needed the sort of feedback they can use to ask for or put themselves up for a promotion. It’s one of the bits of my job I actually enjoy. Two of my minions just got promoted to lead positions and that was very nice. Made sure when I heard they were going for it that I contacted the main people involved and sang their praises (deserved, both are good.)
Genuinely good to see decent people get a leg up instead of the usual which is whomever sucks up to management most.
Hoping someone does the same for me one day, but I won’t hold my breath. #metoo absolutely killed any of the more senior guys mentoring women, they won’t do it any more.
It’s hot today, lots needs doing outside but it’s too warm.
I feel empty and sad
 
This is my shameless blogpost-style writing about chronic illness. It's a topic full of lolcows while also being a pretty common human experience, all things considered, and I often feel they've poisoned the well. Maybe I just read too much Kiwifarms. But, even my older female relatives with stuff like arthritis talk about Spoon Theory and think every 3rd person on Earth has a hypermobility disorder, so, idk. That stuff is not relatable to me and it is hard to find relatable experiences.

So there is no reference to zebras or spoons here, and I wish more people opened up in this sort of way, outside of that narrative.

I have been quite sick, but at the same time my life has been going ok! I really try to keep myself from going into a tizzy. The hardest part is that I don't feel I can discuss anything with my family. They freak out a lot more than I do. There is just a strong prejudice that I'll be useless, "Omg your life is over!", when that really isn't my situation. I haven't stopped working or anything else.

Just within the last few weeks I feel a sense of peace, rather than anxiety. I believe if God wants me to go through something I'm ok with it being part of the story of my life. I understand I just have to stay upright and face it like a man. But I still don't feel like I'm strong enough to witness my family freak out about it. So, my own weakness does drive me away from my family.

Also about 50% of my friends totally fucked disappeared because of me getting crippled. People will talk your fucking ear off, "Oh they weren't your real friends then." Who are YOU to tell ME who my real friends were? I'm here to say that people are not infallible and sometimes people just can't do it.

See, my own family has also been in that "not able to handle it" camp. I hope people would understand that that doesn't mean my family "doesn't REALLY love you." It's just that they're also mentally ill white trash and that's just the tough world I live in, ok?

So that's my gripe. It's not appropriate to tell people "They weren't really your friends if they fail you!" because it invalidates the fact that I did enjoy their friendship.

In the last two months I've made a few new friends. When I was younger I really hated this concept, but as an adult, I do actually think that sometimes when your life changes radically, you just can't take everybody with you. I.e. if you move schools or jobs you just are going to lose all those buddies and that's just the way it works. So similarly, if your family member is murdered, or your house burns down, or you have a stroke, or something like that happens, one of the consequences will probably be losing people in your life, because they can't walk the spiritual path with you. Again, it doesn't mean they're evil, though. It sounds so evil when a woman is divorced by her husband and loses all her church friends because she gets breast cancer, but it happens all the time.


I was never a guy who got in a lot of fights or could sustain anger. I never raged at video games or stewed over things like you see people do. I was more of a sad person. Somehow between the ages of 18 and where I am now, I have drifted from being a "blue sad" person to the start of what I'd call resentfulness. I do get feelings of anger that last several hours and stay in the back of my mind as I feel a great tension and disappointment with getting crippled. I think a lot about how it's impacted my family's expectations of me, and the implications on how the next generation, like my nieces, nephews, and potential own children will see me. I really feel okay when I'm by myself and slowly get angry when I'm around people who don't understand. Even when they're literally little kids who "don't know better", I think, "This is horrible that this is who I am to them." And I feel angry at the world, just hanging out with friends and family.... not good. Not very Zen of me.

So, this is another new thing for me: When I was younger, it made me very angry to be around other people with health conditions. It's even part of why I got into lolcows, because I do like to laugh at clowns and freaks. I used to say I absolutely did not want to be associated or introduced to other disabled people. I only wanted to be around people that I could look up to.

However, something switched in me. I randomly saw a youtube video of somebody in my situation who was married with kids. I recognized he knew things I didn't know about the way the world works. And I realized, "You have to learn how to be the cool, mentally stable disabled person from other disabled people."

I realized the feelings of resentment totally go away if I'm around other disabled people and I should probably befriend them, even if "nobody really understands." I have to just kinda suck it up and be humbled and recognize that in these groups, these other people are generally wayyyy more successful and well-adjusted than me. I look up to them. It is I who is the incompetent, maladjusted cripple, the thing I fear. And some of that I did to myself by trying to avoid these labels and people for so long.

I'm still so touchy I'm not even saying my diagnosis here because I don't want anybody to make comparisons or have some response that will get me in a neurotic thought spiral. I really don't want to share that piece, but I did want to share this "growing up" piece as I thought it might be useful to some other guy in his 20s.

I did actually see a counselor a few times recently (I have had so so so much talk therapy in my life- so none of the concepts are ever new, I don't need any more "tools for the mental toolbox"), but indeed I found it was actually just aggravating me and sending me into thought spirals. I really didn't find it therapeutic, not even in the sort of "oh tough love and you'll make it through the other side." Nah, it was just ineffective and pissing me off!- not every mental problem should be addressed with talk counseling. God I wish people would get that.

This is my preemptive attempt to get people to not gently suggest I see a therapist as if the idea has never come to me. I am not indicating a desire have somebody tell me my situation is valid enough to seek professional help. I am just stating my current internal situation in the hopes that it's relatable to somebody at some point in time. I will accept album suggestions at any time, though. I like Black Flag and Meatloaf.
 
Keep things cordial with your peers too, you do better with them inside than off.
I don't think that's in the cards. They've already assigned a social role to me and the more I try to break from it the worse it gets. I've bought lunch, offered help whenever possible, done everything I can. They do not care. The middle manager has also been condescending to me talking to me like I'm retarded and I don't notice. Tried grey rocking but it's only gotten worse. I'm pretty sure they sabotaged an order on me twice yesterday by reading it out instead of actually showing me the ticket. They really do not like a new guy coming in who isn't as miserable as them. So honestly if I do stay I'm just going to do my job and let them talk. It sucks not being able to socialize or gossip about the same dumb shit as everyone. I know I'm not the only one who's gone through this because I've gotten warnings from others about the dynamics at play.
 
Anyone trying to stay cool without air conditioning, try freezing plastic bottles full of water, wrapping them in a towel to prevent condensation making a mess, and use them like you would a hot water bottle in cooler temperatures. If you want to be bougie about it, get some of those plastic ice packs that are for putting in coolers and lunch boxes and use those. Don't forget that showering in cool water is basically like playing in the sprinklers, which is a time-honored tradition among children.
Mumbai AC. Take bed sheets and wet them. Hang them in place of curtains in front of one windows. The evaporation action will cause the air in the breeze to be slightly cooler.

If there is no wind, your fucked either way, but it helps better than you'd think.
 
This is my preemptive attempt to get people to not gently suggest I see a therapist as if the idea has never come to me
I detest therapy. And drugs, so I will suggest neither. However.
There’s value in speaking to people when
- you can bounce ideas off them without them freaking out
-they’re genuinely wise in some way
-they’ve been through what you’re going through and may be able to offer perspective from further down the line, or practical tips.
-they’re someone you love and trust enough to open up to just to unload a bit and receive comfort
None of those apply to therapists, who are all paid and insane themselves, but if you have people in your life to speak with, speaking isn’t always awful.
You’re allowed to feel bad about what happened to you. There’s this whole shit that you e got to meet every setback with LinkedIn-style GROWTH MINDSET but some stuff just sucks and that’s that.
 
Mumbai AC. Take bed sheets and wet them. Hang them in place of curtains in front of one windows. The evaporation action will cause the air in the breeze to be slightly cooler.

If there is no wind, your fucked either way, but it helps better than you'd think.
Great in Arizona, New Mexico, significantly less good in any place with humidity.
 
Done with my job in the artic circle. It's hot as balls up there with 23.5 hours of daylight per day. And the flies and mosquitoes are ungodly bad up there this time of the year.

Apparently this underground ventilation system was supposed to be commissioned three years ago. The guys can't dig any deeper and they have to ration what equipment they run to keep the toxic gas levels down.

The supervisor was just hoping I could get something working. It was a bit of a shit show. Their guys work two weeks on and two weeks off. Plus this equipment is supposed to be the responsibility of the surface mine, but they had fucked this up so bad, the underground guys took it over.

I had to rewire the entire Estop string. The fuckers didn't label a single wire. They wired in the temperature feedbacks for the motor and bearing RTDs into the drive but didn't bother to wire them at the fucking motor..

My boss quoted them 24 hours of commissioning time..

I did 153. I got all the equipment puring like a kitten. Wrote up a startup and shutdown procedure and a troubleshooting guide. But I did a lot of hours. Like so many that I'm dreading trying to prove it. So I had to tell the guy that I needed in writing that I was to do these hours.

"WHAT THE FUCK JSD? DO I LOOK LIKE A FUCKING NEWFI??? I PAY MY BILLS AND I DONT FUCK MY COUSIN!"

I seriously think this is the first time ever I didn't need to beg a customer to sign my time card, especially when I had so many hours.

He even started calling me a dumb fucker for not charging him more time because per him "I'm fucked if your ass doesn't come back here".

I'm so used to getting shitted on by customers.
Your job sounds really extraordinary. Glad the customer was a good one. And if this job requires you personally spend time a mile or any amount underground, I hope your hourly is high.

I don't think that's in the cards. They've already assigned a social role to me and the more I try to break from it the worse it gets. I've bought lunch, offered help whenever possible, done everything I can. They do not care. The middle manager has also been condescending to me talking to me like I'm retarded and I don't notice. Tried grey rocking but it's only gotten worse. I'm pretty sure they sabotaged an order on me twice yesterday by reading it out instead of actually showing me the ticket.
Stick to protocol, then - but casually. "Can I see the ticket" for each one, just a flat request, neutral to pleasant. They ride you or challenge, and you just stare into middle distance with a neutral face and say "I'm going to need to see the ticket, man." They give it, you say neutral thanks then go do whatever you do. Next time, same thing, over and over. Let them talk.

It's only been a few months, right? It can take time. I'm relatively new to a team (around 6 months) and I am JUST NOW starting to connect with members I hadn't known before, JUST NOW being remembered or joked with a little and JUST NOW (sort of) not being actively sabotaged by someone who has been threatened by me since even before I joined the team. And I am a pretty social, extraverted person at work and usually do pretty well getting people to like me more or less - I'm upbeat, helpful, and direct. And my immediate group-mates are ridiculously in-group to me - 85% white and 65% women; it's even about a third of my group who are around my age or older than I am. But they were still rough - I have encountered some nightmare "office lady" (literally one is named Karen) cliquishness for the first time in my career, I have finally begun to break some of that down. But I know there was a lot of talk and not a lot of welcome when I joined the team. ...Everyone at my compsny is also very reasonably worried about remaining employed, so me and a couple others being plucked by senior leadership and placed here was unsettling for these people used to having total control, especially when some newb like me cheerfully questions things they hold on to.

So not saying I've got the kind of in-your-face, overt exclusion you're dealing with (definitely not), but I've found that, as much as possible, keeping your eye on the work, being good-natured/ neutral, not questioning yourself too much, not trying too hard to fit in, etc. can make the experience feel a bit better - and also gradually start to soften. And don't know if you have the opportunity, but I've had a chance/ made a point for a little more informal or 1:1 interaction with a couple of people - who are much better to deal with that way, and we are slowly developing rapport separate from the group klatsch. So if there are every any moments with any individual, that may help slowly thaw things. You just can't have that as an immediate goal in your mind or wonder "is it working/ why isn't it working"! Another thing I discovered having a couple tiny smaller interactions was that not all of them were total petty, jealous control freaks over-engineering everything (which is def the culture in this group), and that as exhausting as their bureaucratic style is, some have more flex than others and are even glad to have someone will to stick their neck out to propose something new. And some will now spend time with me when I pile up a bunch of questions about something I don't have experience with but need to master quickly, rather than being actively unhelpful.

The others in the group who also came on recently all have had similar experiences/ impression I have had (though none had the pleasure I did of bring actively sabotaged), so I'd also say don't take it too personally or rely too much on the race differential as a permanent problem.

I'd also say that I bet there a few things at least that you do better on the job now than when you started. So remember that and if you're apologizing or feeling bad because you're new/ don't know what to do, you can probably let that self consciousness drop a bit.

They really do not like a new guy coming in who isn't as miserable as them. So honestly if I do stay I'm just going to do my job and let them talk. It sucks not being able to socialize or gossip about the same dumb shit as everyone. I know I'm not the only one who's gone through this because I've gotten warnings from others about the dynamics at play.
It does sound like a particularly bad group, more formidable than a bunch of oldish, tenured white women creating spreadsheets for everything and being officious about it. But I think you have the right approach / just keep working on keeping it from getting under your skin. They like their group or can't figure out a better way to function/ don't have good goals. So you do your thing, learn the work, have your own goals, and don't get emotionally invested in being accepted socially.

I like Black Flag and Meatloaf.
This was a great post. And without comparing at all, or sharing, I'll say I can relate to making adjustments in attitude and orientation, and it's brought me closer to...idk, less dissatisfaction/ frustration and more...strength, wholeness, reconciliation, authenticity, whatever. I appreciate your sharing how you're making your way through.

And Black Flag took me way back.
 
Your job sounds really extraordinary. Glad the customer was a good one. And if this job requires you personally spend time a mile or any amount underground, I hope your hourly is high.
Really frustratingly, my industry is on the race to the bottom. The big companies, I worked for one for 15 years. They claim they can't get Americans to do this work, but I was expected to compete with field engineers making $15k a year out of Hyderabad.

They completely stopped hiring Americans and made us senior guys go out on jobs with 6-8 of these office workers that didn't want to be there, didn't have any gear (cause they have to sneak in on tourist visas), and they can't even get access to half the sites because they are foreign nationals.

I shit you not, my old boss expected me to get 10 random guys from India into a NASA launch complex.

These guys don't know shit and don't want to know shit. They rather do an office job than field work. The whole reason I left my old company was they decided all the field engineers had to live in Houston and I was expected to resign my old position, move, and reapply for less than a quarter of what I was making. It wasn't a serious offer. It was them telling me to go away.

All the big companies are doing this. Eventually there will be a massive flop and twitch reaction to major event. I expect in the next decade an industrial accident on par with Chernobyl, where a lot of people get killed and US infrastructure is impacted for months because so much critical stuff is now handled by inbred morons with fake engineering degrees.

Its unreal to hear the boomers complain that "kids these days don't want to work". Mother fucker. We aren't allowed to work for India pay even if we wanted to.

And it's not just engineering. Look at trucking. It's become a fucking shitshow.
 
Really frustratingly, my industry is on the race to the bottom. The big companies, I worked for one for 15 years. They claim they can't get Americans to do this work, but I was expected to compete with field engineers making $15k a year out of Hyderabad.

They completely stopped hiring Americans and made us senior guys go out on jobs with 6-8 of these office workers that didn't want to be there, didn't have any gear (cause they have to sneak in on tourist visas), and they can't even get access to half the sites because they are foreign nationals.

I shit you not, my old boss expected me to get 10 random guys from India into a NASA launch complex.

These guys don't know shit and don't want to know shit. They rather do an office job than field work. The whole reason I left my old company was they decided all the field engineers had to live in Houston and I was expected to resign my old position, move, and reapply for less than a quarter of what I was making. It wasn't a serious offer. It was them telling me to go away.

All the big companies are doing this. Eventually there will be a massive flop and twitch reaction to major event. I expect in the next decade an industrial accident on par with Chernobyl, where a lot of people get killed and US infrastructure is impacted for months because so much critical stuff is now handled by inbred morons with fake engineering degrees.

Its unreal to hear the boomers complain that "kids these days don't want to work". Mother fucker. We aren't allowed to work for India pay even if we wanted to.

And it's not just engineering. Look at trucking. It's become a fucking shitshow.
I feel you, and office jobs are having some similar "disruptions" (pardon my corporate euphemism; I'm using it sardonically).

But with field work, I can't even comprehend how they expect this to work. I think companies in general are just banking on going cheap ASAP and in x years when everything falls apart they'll (eventually) just ramp up again - nevermind the carnage they create in the meantime.
Everything will be explained "in due time." Oh, and since this is Kiwi Farms, I wanted to state that an INDIAN had to tell us. All the positions for the company are stationed in India.
Between offshoring and AI, horrific damage is being done rn.
 
Seriously, the next person that wants to preach about AI development or how outsourcing is a good thing, I may just crash out on you. MATI, yes. The tech industry is in danger of collapsing on itself because corporations want to forego domestic employment for cheaper alternatives.
I hate to be that guy but just what made you think the tech industry wouldn't be exactly the same as every other industry and have the same desires of outsourcing/automating all of its workforce for greater returns. AI is far from perfect, so the sky is not falling quite yet, but these assholes are gonna try their hardest to brute force it. This is capitalism baby. You need a plan B. And plan C.
 
They completely stopped hiring Americans and made us senior guys go out on jobs with 6-8 of these office workers that didn't want to be there, didn't have any gear (cause they have to sneak in on tourist visas), and they can't even get access to half the sites because they are foreign nationals.
Damn, I did not know that every other industry is being affected by AI and outsourcing. What a time we live in. I hope things get better for you.
 
Seriously, the next person that wants to preach about AI development or how outsourcing is a good thing, I may just crash out on you. MATI, yes. The tech industry is in danger of collapsing on itself because corporations want to forego domestic employment for cheaper alternatives.
Urgh, that is awful. I am sorry.

Pharma is the same. One big CRO just fired almost all its clinical teams in Western Europe and replaced them with a token frontage in Eastern Europe and the rest in India. The Eastern Euros are good - good education system, good English, no issue with them at all, they’re excellent. But they’re window dressing and the bulk of the work has gone to India which is going to be disastrous.
I have a team in India to get part of this global project up and running in India and I have to have a dedicated person watching everything they do because they have zero initiative, and well, all that stuff. It’s a disaster.
Almost all our admin functions have been outsourced to India and they’re just terrible. You can never get hold of anyone, they need hand holding and they’re run like little fiefdoms.
Team in china? Great. Team in Japan? Lovely. Flip team? Nice people. India? Absolute nightmare.
I expect in the next decade an industrial accident on par with Chernobyl,
I’m amazed it hasn’t happened already, my industry is in a race to the bottom, and we don’t kill people quickly and dramatically. The level of quality used to be so high and now it’s just whatever we can manage. I spend maybe a fifth of my working week dealing with quality incidents that basically amount to third workers making data up or doing fraud.
For engineering of all types, where an accident can kill or pollute in an epic scale, it’s nightmarish.
 
I hate to be that guy but just what made you think the tech industry wouldn't be exactly the same as every other industry and have the same desires of outsourcing/automating all of its workforce for greater returns. AI is far from perfect, so the sky is not falling quite yet, but these assholes are gonna try their hardest to brute force it. This is capitalism baby. You need a plan B. And plan C.
What is hilarious to me is that the India tech sector is in free fall right now because the shittiest AI slop code is still better than the best India slop code.
 
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