Holocaust Fatigue - Yeah yeah i just dont care anymore.

[Disastrously Dumb]

It will be moved on from when every last Silent Gen and Baby Boomer has passed away. If you ask them why Hitler became the devil instead of Stalin, it won't be pretty. What 50+ years of TV does to someone's mind. I've seen more Christians get angry over someone criticizing the Israeli government but say nothing when people make fun of Jesus.

its crazy how "cospiracy theorists" are spot on in certain topics and discussions.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

I think we might need to enact a final solution to the noahide boomer bitch problem.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

I've seen more Christians get angry over someone criticizing the Israeli government but say nothing when people make fun of Jesus.

Judeo christian in a nutshell.

 

[NH-8340]

Something I've always wondered about the Holocaust even as a kid is why it's always about the Jews and nobody else. Keep in mind that the "official" toll states that, of course, six million Jews died. What's odd is that it also states 5 million other people (homosexuals, disabled people, gypsies, Soviet POWs, etc.) died, but nobody ever brings them up. Those 5 million people were essentially relegated as a fucking footnote, and regardless of whether you think it happened or not it's weird.

 

[James Brown]

The holocaust absolutely will be forgotten eventually. Other atrocities have been, and all the media focus in the world will not be able to make this one an exception to that rule.

optimistic when the American education system teaches the holohoax as the worst thing that ever happened in the shmistory of ever. i think the U.S. manages to keep the narrative going more than any other country, besides germany and poland. as long as Israel has a cultural death grip on the U.S., we will be subjected to billions more parades, survivor stories, movies, plays, and remembrance humiliation rituals. and once the survivors all die, we will hear about it from their kids - there was just an interview with Billy Joel saying the reason he had to get political at his shows over Trump was because of the Charlottesville "Nazi" comments and kvetching about his 'causted jew parents or something. And I guess he's never done that in his life but Drumpf's comments were just soooo bone-chilling and totalitarian that he had to show up to a concert wearing a Star of David. it will never end.
things like the Killing Fields are already forgotten to zoomers and alphas, holohoax is a different beast.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Keep in mind that the "official" toll states that, of course, six million Jews died. What's odd is that it also states 5 million other people (homosexuals, disabled people, gypsies, Soviet POWs, etc.

There's a perfectly good explanation. Holocaust historian jimmy carr explained why nobody talks about the homosexuals killed in the holocaust. Nobody wants to talk about the positives.

 

[harbringer883]

The kvetching about the Holocaust rings hollow when one realizes that Bolsheviks (whose leaders were mostly Jewish) killed far more people. They specifically encouraged resentment from minority groups towards Whites and Christians, (sounds familiar...) and are estimated to have killed between 30-60 million. (a wide estimate, but that variance exists because unlike the Holocaust people are allowed to compare and debate the evidence). And then the Bolsheviks made antisemitism punishable by death because too many Russians were "noticing" that most of the Bolshevik leadership wasn't actually Russian.

Fun little fact. You have to go onto duckduckgo just to get a straight answer on basic questions like "why where most bolsheviks jewish" "why where jews overwhelmingly make up the secret police" and even if fucking "was antisemitism illegal in the USSR". I wonder why. Its also very interesting to see how jews hijacked the communist movment (well to be fair they started it, as marx was literally a jew) and turned its focus from agrarian/the peasantry/the farmer, to the worker, because well, it turns out that the farmers hated the jews and where the ones who would run the pogroms.

If one was actually MATI about genocide, then one would talk about the Bolsheviks just as much (if not more) than the Nazis. The Western education system doesn't, because the emphasis on the Holocaust is not really about "genocide bad", it's about instilling the idea that "Jews r good boys who dindu nuffin".

From what I remember, the entire fucking ww2 unit was about the holocaust, and it boiled down to "one day, for no reason at all, the nazi's decided to kill da joos".

There's an interesting religious/philosophical point to be made about how the average Western person will react more strongly to Holocaust denial, than to Jesus denial. In the public consciousness, the Jews have replaced the murder of Christ with the murder of themselves. Saying Jesus never died was once blasphemy, but is now passe. Saying 6 million Jews never died is the new "blasphemy".

Because in the new post ww2 mythos of the west, da joos literally died on the cross of aushwitz to remind the unlighted nations of the world that nationalism n sheet is bad and something something you must import infinite turd worlders to repent for your sins of being white.

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

Thanks to Muslims, politics, time and the browning of America, Gen-Z's perception of the holocaust is going to be met with increasing apathy and fatigue.
Zoomies will be the death of the holocaust remembrance and guilt. Hell, even 9/11 is a certified meme at this point.

- Israels 2023 War: Hamas is running a stellar propaganda campaign against Israel on social media, TikTok, Insta etc. getting Americans to care about the plights of terrorists. Tons of zoomers are getting exposed to starvation propaganda and 'Israel bad' content. Even if you are not simping for Palestine, the narrative of Israel starving Gaza persists and that osmosis into casual onlookers perception of the war.

- The browning of America & Europe and Time: Thanks to the endless importation of hordes of browns, jeets and Muslims, a growing portion of the young people have no reason or connection to learn about the holocaust. For them it was a WWII event which involved white people. Their ancestors have no link to it because they were in some dirt hut in the 1940s. The Muslims celebrate it. WWII was 80 years ago. The decimation of the American education system further contributes to remembrance decline. Its harder to get zoomers to care about The Battle of the Bulge let alone the holocaust now since its so far behind the rearview mirror of history.

- Politics and the erosion of high trust society: Turns out two decades of 'lived experience' bs and being told not to believe our lying eyes by power holders is causing everyone to question things previous supported as gospel, including support for and topics about Israel. The amount of funding Israel and the amount of lobbying the do has also come into question more too, and the ADL trying to get antisemitism banned in a free-speech centric society isn't doing them any favors. The overuse of "Nazi" also has contributed to this arena. Trump is saving America after being called a Nazi by the left for over a decade now. Zoomers are going to associate "Nazi" with a completely different prototype than Gen X or boomers. The word has lost all meaning which has taken a bite out of the Nazi Germany bad narrative.

Israel is now a state, a more powerful one at that than in 2000, 2010 or 1948. People are going to view their actions more with more scrutiny as a stronger foreign power including their involvement in other countries education. Some of these things are in control of Israel and Jews, others not so much and are just the consequences of time and shifting political landscape. Jews are going to have to navigate past holocaust fatigue in order to galvanize support for their country and people through more traditional means like the rest of the world.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

optimistic when the American education system teaches the holohoax as the worst thing that ever happened in the shmistory of ever. i think the U.S. manages to keep the narrative going more than any other country, besides germany and poland. as long as Israel has a cultural death grip on the U.S., we will be subjected to billions more parades, survivor stories, movies, plays, and remembrance humiliation rituals. and once the survivors all die, we will hear about it from their kids - there was just an interview with Billy Joel saying the reason he had to get political at his shows over Trump was because of the Charlottesville "Nazi" comments and kvetching about his 'causted jew parents or something. And I guess he's never done that in his life but Drumpf's comments were just soooo bone-chilling and totalitarian that he had to show up to a concert wearing a Star of David. it will never end.
things like the Killing Fields are already forgotten to zoomers and alphas, holohoax is a different beast.

Won't be the case when muslims and indians take over.

They'll be like saaar I am blacker than you! No, allahu ackbar! Muslims are opressed!

 

[Caligura]

Something I've always wondered about the Holocaust even as a kid is why it's always about the Jews and nobody else. Keep in mind that the "official" toll states that, of course, six million Jews died. What's odd is that it also states 5 million other people (homosexuals, disabled people, gypsies, Soviet POWs, etc.) died, but nobody ever brings them up. Those 5 million people were essentially relegated as a fucking footnote, and regardless of whether you think it happened or not it's weird.

The genocide of Slavs is something that's often forgotten about when I'd argue they're the biggest victims of the entire conflict since that still fucked up birth rates across Russia and Eastern Europe, seemingly permanent.

 

[Rick's Beef Wellington]

A little off-topic but this seems like a good place to ask - what caused the pogroms? Anything I read makes it sound like upstanding Jewish neighbors were innocently flying kites in the park with their kids and all of these mean Poles and Ukrainians bashed their heads in.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Yes yes the Holocaust happened, that wasn't even the most horrific thing an authoritarian nation state did in the last century. What matters is that it was an industrialized thing, and what mattered more is that nobody expected the civilized Germans to have done such a thing.

Then it came out that the Greater German Reich was basically being run by tards who each told each other they were given their authority by Hitler since Hitler didn't like signing things, that means Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews, why I say Hitler told me to do it! And then you had everyone just agreeing that Hitler wanted all the Jews gone because he never said not to do it.

What I'm saying is that people are stupid and evil and Germans are natural niggercattle. The problem is it constantly being invoked and everything compared to Nazis because of it when Communists killed more, and for worse reasons (you have a long nose? Brother One says you should die because you wear spectacles!)

There are many threads in the Lolcows of History subforum about these people.

 

[Yamaha YM2612]

My holocaust fatigue primarily comes from the pretending they were the victims and not the perpetrators

 

[Gregis]

But you know who doesnt bitch and moan about it every fucking day of every fucking year for 80 years? [...] China

They're still mad about Genghis Khan. The fact you don't hear them bitching maybe has something to do with the fact that you don't speak Chinese? I don't either, but I still remember seeing news articles with second-hand chinkseethe when Japan is updating its textbooks to downplay atrocities more or whatever.

 

[Apteryx Retardi]

Has it been used those days as much as a decade ago? Jews were demoted by the left to be White equivalent, especially once the war in Gaza ramped up.

The left always had a weird schism re: diaspora Jews vs the State of Israel. The Holocaust cult (the lefty one, not Shlomos grabbing their reparation shekels) really isn't about Jews at all. It's about Nationalism (of which Hitler was an extreme example) Bad (tm).

Asian victims of the Japs, Chinese century of humiliation

Nobody in China gave a single shit about "century of humiliation" until Tiananmen & USSR collapsing. At which point CCP needed something to turn the West (to which they had been cozying up to for economic reasons for a decade or so) into a boogeyman.

The Korea-Jap kerfuffle was rekindled in 1990s by assorted CCP gayops, which includes one of the most well known books/research works (the name and author I somehow forgot) about Jap war crimes in Korea. Essentially they sponsored a somewhat schizo Ameri-Korean chick (who later jumped out of a window during an episode) to write and publish it, and when the feathers started renewedly flying between South Korea and Japan, China kept VERY quiet about what Japs had done to them in WWII.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Nobody in China gave a single shit about "century of humiliation" until Tiananmen & USSR collapsing.

Not true if you looked at CCP and Kuomintang propaganda from even before the Pacific War broke out in earnest.

The Korea-Jap kerfuffle was rekindled in 1990s by assorted CCP gayops

No, Japanese shit was de facto banned in the Republic of Korea for decades until like 1995, and even then when anime was imported it had to have almost all of the direct Japanese cultural shit edited out. You think American Sailor Moon was bad? Korean was worse.

China kept VERY quiet about what Japs had done to them in WWII

No they didn't, they kept talking about it and even the Kuomintang handling of Japanese """war criminals""" was lauded, some of the very few things the CCP lauded the KMT for.

The left always had a weird schism re: diaspora Jews vs the State of Israel.

They cry that not all Jews are pro Israel, and trot out actual anti Zionist Jews, who happen to be the most dysgenic shtetlniggers who still live in the Land of Israel and leech off Israeli gibs. Or I guess Norman Finklestein or whatever.

 

[Blindeye]

The most offensive and unsympathetic part of Holocaust dogma is the literal assertion that it was a unique event and comparing it to any other genocide is fundamentally wrong, if they just dropped that aspect it would probably have resulted in like a third less noticers, but it's against Jewish nature to cede that point and allow themselves to be judged by outsiders according to the same standard those outsiders judge everyone else

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

it boiled down to "one day, for no reason at all, the nazi's decided to kill da joos".

These Boomers and Silent Gens I mentioned earlier really, genuinely believe wars like this start because "meanie pants dictator just wants to invade neighboring country and kill people because he can". I recall the Holocaust stuff when I was a middle schooler, and we had stuff taught to us in a civics class and an English class. I suppose from the perspective of these lefty activist groups, it makes sense to start young when the kids are by and large too naive to think objectively about it. They do it in high school English classes as well, based on my own time in American public school and what I've seen others say.

And that's not getting into everything the TV has funneled into the minds of the older generations. I personally cannot watch any TV without my head hurting, like you physically feel your brain melting sitting there. One must consider that when you think about what people over age 60 have been exposed to for their whole lives.

 

[Ser Prize]

The kvetching about the Holocaust rings hollow when one realizes that Bolsheviks (whose leaders were mostly Jewish) killed far more people. They specifically encouraged resentment from minority groups towards Whites and Christians, (sounds familiar...) and are estimated to have killed between 30-60 million. (a wide estimate, but that variance exists because unlike the Holocaust people are allowed to compare and debate the evidence). And then the Bolsheviks made antisemitism punishable by death because too many Russians were "noticing" that most of the Bolshevik leadership wasn't actually Russian.

If one was actually MATI about genocide, then one would talk about the Bolsheviks just as much (if not more) than the Nazis. The Western education system doesn't, because the emphasis on the Holocaust is not really about "genocide bad", it's about instilling the idea that "Jews r good boys who dindu nuffin".

There's an interesting religious/philosophical point to be made about how the average Western person will react more strongly to Holocaust denial, than to Jesus denial. In the public consciousness, the Jews have replaced the murder of Christ with the murder of themselves. Saying Jesus never died was once blasphemy, but is now passe. Saying 6 million Jews never died is the new "blasphemy".

Because in the new post ww2 mythos of the west, da joos literally died on the cross of aushwitz to remind the unlighted nations of the world that nationalism n sheet is bad and something something you must import infinite turd worlders to repent for your sins of being white.

You know I had talked about how Hitler is the secular satan but I never really connected the dots that they've skinned Christianity and appointed themselves the martyrs and beneficiaries. How utterly fucking vile that is. Even explains why 'judeo' comes first in 'Judeo-Christian values'.

The boomers were taught to worship the jew. That the jew was a sacred lamb only barely saved from the foaming mouths of their fellow whites. That they must forever bow their heads and let the jew trample upon them, for any sign of resistance is The Evil and you must not be the evil. Spit upon your God before you commit The Evil. The Evil of playing the game that is played against you. The Evil of noticing how these sacred jews celebrate your decline.

Very dystopian.

A little off-topic but this seems like a good place to ask - what caused the pogroms? Anything I read makes it sound like upstanding Jewish neighbors were innocently flying kites in the park with their kids and all of these mean Poles and Ukrainians bashed their heads in.

I imagine doing what jews do now: spitting on Christians, undermining institutions, etc. But I too would like a complete explanation.

These Boomers and Silent Gens I mentioned earlier really, genuinely believe wars like this start because "meanie pants dictator just wants to invade neighboring country and kill people because he can". I recall the Holocaust stuff when I was a middle schooler, and we had stuff taught to us in a civics class and an English class. I suppose from the perspective of these lefty activist groups, it makes sense to start young when the kids are by and large too naive to think objectively about it. They do it in high school English classes as well, based on my own time in American public school and what I've seen others say.

And that's not getting into everything the TV has funneled into the minds of the older generations. I personally cannot watch any TV without my head hurting, like you physically feel your brain melting sitting there. One must consider that when you think about what people over age 60 have been exposed to for their whole lives.

I got taught da holocaust in grade 8, by a teacher who told us about the fucking holocoasters and masturbation machines. To her it was endlessly horrific and awful. But even to a 13 year old me it was nothing but comical.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

masturbation machines

I cannot believe people take something as clearly ridiculous as this as 100% truth, also makes me think of the gun that bent through the wall to shoot yourself and being picked apart by a bear and an eagle in a cage. That last one makes me think it's anti-Allies propaganda slipping down to the prison camps, like the "bear" is Russia and the "eagle" is the US. - Also makes me think of "rainbow parties" in a way and those old drug PSAs of a guy going "Hey kid, want some drugs?", like he's talking to a nine year old trying to push weed or something.

Point of that last example is there was a big media hubbub about them years ago, yet I've never seen or heard of it IRL. The "masturbation machine" talking point reminds me of that because it makes no sense when you stop and think about it.